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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,854 Views)
jbj712
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fatboab
30 Aug 2015, 06:54 PM
Mubo Loravcik
30 Aug 2015, 06:52 PM
Ian Bankier is never mentioned when it comes to blame for the past 2 years of Champions League failure, interesting :hmmm:
He has nothing to do with anything on the football side. Not even sure he knows who plays for us. :ph43r:
Does he do anything on the non football side? :ph43r:
Complete zero :lol:
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Clowndog
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katlegend
30 Aug 2015, 02:58 PM
Davie Provan sums up our situation perfectly with a few simple words today.
"There are two obvious reasons for Celtic's failure. A lack of investment in the team and the lack of a proper coach.
Lawwell is responsible for both."
Davie Provan is an arsehole.
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Clowndog
30 Aug 2015, 07:02 PM
katlegend
30 Aug 2015, 02:58 PM
Davie Provan sums up our situation perfectly with a few simple words today.
"There are two obvious reasons for Celtic's failure. A lack of investment in the team and the lack of a proper coach.
Lawwell is responsible for both."
Davie Provan is an arsehole.

Maybe but even arseholes call things right when their blatantly obvious most off the time.

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bigkev
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Milton
30 Aug 2015, 03:08 PM
katlegend
30 Aug 2015, 02:58 PM
Davie Provan sums up our situation perfectly with a few simple words today.
"There are two obvious reasons for Celtic's failure. A lack of investment in the team and the lack of a proper coach.
Lawwell is responsible for both."
I don't think Ronny is a particularly bad coach. He's just not a very good manager.
Since MON splashing the cash what has been the ongoing budget spent on players transfers and wages by the subsequent managers? Who got most support and who got best results? Who could not wait to get rid of that manager? What manager got fed up because he had no competition and budget was cut? and given the lack of huns and the fact our league is by and large a one horse race how many players that we go for are put off by this alone? Bottom line is cash is less when sponsors don't sponsor and fans don't go. In spite of all of that every manager has enough at their disposal to pump the champions of a country like Sweden. We have more to spend than they do so when we don't qualify it is a failing of the manager and the players. The board appoint the manager and approve the players so have the ultimate responsibility. Our recent policy of buying misfits at reasonable fees was crazy. The board supported this and if we are led to believe promoted it. The board said death of huns was irrelevant as we were not dependent on them being in our league yet a couple of years later said there was an impact. If you are running a company you have more vision of how it works than your employees and your customers. You have to consider their views however it is apparent this board really don't understand the vision or the customers. It is a very difficult situation to manage however it is apparent that the board are not learning as they are repeating mistakes
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harryhoodshatrick
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JTH
30 Aug 2015, 06:11 PM
Wanyerma
30 Aug 2015, 12:58 PM
Been reflecting on our moneyball approach to signings and have come to the realisation that we've become marks for decent but not outstanding young players to get their ticket to fortune and mid-table mediocrity in the EPL.

Who was the last moneyball signing that went to a decent EPL team? We're signing players whose ultimate goal is to get a move to Southampton where winning every other match is an achievement, and Europe will never happen in a meaningful way. Is it any shock then that those players don't have what it takes to beat Malmo in a CL qualifier?

This is out future until Lawwell gets the bullet.
At least identify the real culprit. Here is a clue, Lawwell is very, very good at his job.
If profit is the bottom line he is good at his job.Football though is not like any other business.Making a profit is worthless if the product,ie the football team ,is under performing.The MON years was successful for Celtic even though we were losing money.If we win nothing this year and make money this is not successful.
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Barnsey
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There comes a point when Lawwell and co realise the downsizing has to stop. When is that? Probably if the Orcs win the league.
It will be a catastrophe that we grow so nonchalant to let that happen.
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Barnsey
30 Aug 2015, 07:36 PM
There comes a point when Lawwell and co realise the downsizing has to stop. When is that? Probably if the Orcs win the league.
It will be a catastrophe that we grow so nonchalant to let that happen.
Nah that happened in 2008/09 and it didn't deter Lawwell then.
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harryhoodshatrick
30 Aug 2015, 07:30 PM
JTH
30 Aug 2015, 06:11 PM
Wanyerma
30 Aug 2015, 12:58 PM
Been reflecting on our moneyball approach to signings and have come to the realisation that we've become marks for decent but not outstanding young players to get their ticket to fortune and mid-table mediocrity in the EPL.

Who was the last moneyball signing that went to a decent EPL team? We're signing players whose ultimate goal is to get a move to Southampton where winning every other match is an achievement, and Europe will never happen in a meaningful way. Is it any shock then that those players don't have what it takes to beat Malmo in a CL qualifier?

This is out future until Lawwell gets the bullet.
At least identify the real culprit. Here is a clue, Lawwell is very, very good at his job.
If profit is the bottom line he is good at his job.Football though is not like any other business.Making a profit is worthless if the product,ie the football team ,is under performing.The MON years was successful for Celtic even though we were losing money.If we win nothing this year and make money this is not successful.
His remit as set by the Desmond and his plc board lackies is to balance the books. He is doing exactly what he is supposed to do. Look higher up the food chain for those who decide our fiscal policy
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harryhoodshatrick
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greenjedi
30 Aug 2015, 07:50 PM
harryhoodshatrick
30 Aug 2015, 07:30 PM
JTH
30 Aug 2015, 06:11 PM

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If profit is the bottom line he is good at his job.Football though is not like any other business.Making a profit is worthless if the product,ie the football team ,is under performing.The MON years was successful for Celtic even though we were losing money.If we win nothing this year and make money this is not successful.
His remit as set by the Desmond and his plc board lackies is to balance the books. He is doing exactly what he is supposed to do. Look higher up the food chain for those who decide our fiscal policy
I agree.Get rid of lawwell and we will get someone in to do exactly the same thing.
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Wanyerma
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jbj712
30 Aug 2015, 06:22 PM
JTH
30 Aug 2015, 06:11 PM
Wanyerma
30 Aug 2015, 12:58 PM
Been reflecting on our moneyball approach to signings and have come to the realisation that we've become marks for decent but not outstanding young players to get their ticket to fortune and mid-table mediocrity in the EPL.

Who was the last moneyball signing that went to a decent EPL team? We're signing players whose ultimate goal is to get a move to Southampton where winning every other match is an achievement, and Europe will never happen in a meaningful way. Is it any shock then that those players don't have what it takes to beat Malmo in a CL qualifier?

This is out future until Lawwell gets the bullet.
At least identify the real culprit. Here is a clue, Lawwell is very, very good at his job.
Think you need to qualify that to PL WAS very good at his job.
The Moneyball thing was fresh when it was introduced but like many things it needs updated to keep abreast of changing times and circumstances!
PL got lucky with the risk on Lenny -who was never the first or even second choice!
He got luckier with the demise of the huns unless you believe that he planned that :lol:
Now he has gambled yet again on appointing someone with limited experience at a big club or in a top flight league -( no disrespect intended to all our Norwegian friends)
Should we be in the same position next August then we will have effectively wasted three years.
We will have lost out on many millions of pounds in CL revenue.
If all PL has up his sleeve is the appearance of the zombies in the same league - then there is no way that you can say he is doing a good job!
That is all he's got.
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tocce 1973
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harryhoodshatrick
30 Aug 2015, 08:15 PM
greenjedi
30 Aug 2015, 07:50 PM
harryhoodshatrick
30 Aug 2015, 07:30 PM

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His remit as set by the Desmond and his plc board lackies is to balance the books. He is doing exactly what he is supposed to do. Look higher up the food chain for those who decide our fiscal policy
I agree.Get rid of lawwell and we will get someone in to do exactly the same thing.
What would happen if our billionaire walked away?
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Wanyerma
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harryhoodshatrick
30 Aug 2015, 07:30 PM
JTH
30 Aug 2015, 06:11 PM
Wanyerma
30 Aug 2015, 12:58 PM
Been reflecting on our moneyball approach to signings and have come to the realisation that we've become marks for decent but not outstanding young players to get their ticket to fortune and mid-table mediocrity in the EPL.

Who was the last moneyball signing that went to a decent EPL team? We're signing players whose ultimate goal is to get a move to Southampton where winning every other match is an achievement, and Europe will never happen in a meaningful way. Is it any shock then that those players don't have what it takes to beat Malmo in a CL qualifier?

This is out future until Lawwell gets the bullet.
At least identify the real culprit. Here is a clue, Lawwell is very, very good at his job.
If profit is the bottom line he is good at his job.Football though is not like any other business.Making a profit is worthless if the product,ie the football team ,is under performing.The MON years was successful for Celtic even though we were losing money.If we win nothing this year and make money this is not successful.
We'd make more profit getting to the CL every year.

If that was what Lawwell was incetivised to do, but he's incentivised to make money out of player sales. Ergo moneyball. Our strategy is horse manure for a top club.
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harryhoodshatrick
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tocce 1973
30 Aug 2015, 08:22 PM
harryhoodshatrick
30 Aug 2015, 08:15 PM
greenjedi
30 Aug 2015, 07:50 PM

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I agree.Get rid of lawwell and we will get someone in to do exactly the same thing.
What would happen if our billionaire walked away?
He doesn't put his money into our club anyway apart from when he bought shares.If he walked away he could sell his shares.
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tocce 1973
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harryhoodshatrick
30 Aug 2015, 08:26 PM
tocce 1973
30 Aug 2015, 08:22 PM
harryhoodshatrick
30 Aug 2015, 08:15 PM

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What would happen if our billionaire walked away?
He doesn't put his money into our club anyway apart from when he bought shares.If he walked away he could sell his shares.
Thank you. :thumbsup:
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jbj712
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harryhoodshatrick
30 Aug 2015, 08:26 PM
tocce 1973
30 Aug 2015, 08:22 PM
harryhoodshatrick
30 Aug 2015, 08:15 PM

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What would happen if our billionaire walked away?
He doesn't put his money into our club anyway apart from when he bought shares.If he walked away he could sell his shares.
Like all other shareholders I got my annual check in from CFC this week :thumbsup:
£20 give or take a few pennies!
Bet that DD gets a fair bit more every year!
So we probably don't lose him money - so he's happy to bump along.
He doesn't live here and have to put up with all the crap that we have to from the press etc
Perhaps if he did things might just change!
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Invest in the team. :lol: attendances are down and we're hoping to qualify for the CL rather than go out and qualify. Qualification = the investment we crave, albeit investment a la Aldi or Primark as we can't compete even with the millions the CL would have lain at our door. There are folk who don't go to the matches when they're perfectly able to do so and then cite a lack of investment as a reason for their absence. They would however have managed to get a CL ticket if we'd qualified.

I guess if sevco come up we'll have the extra £50 added to our books and maybe then we will see a bit more investment than what we have done but it won't be because sevco are in the league. ;)

Our transfer budget isn't dependant on CL qualification anyway, is it? :(
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tocce 1973
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30 Aug 2015, 08:53 PM
Invest in the team. :lol: attendances are down and we're hoping to qualify for the CL rather than go out and qualify. Qualification = the investment we crave, albeit investment a la Aldi or Primark as we can't compete even with the millions the CL would have lain at our door. There are folk who don't go to the matches when they're perfectly able to do so and then cite a lack of investment as a reason for their absence. They would however have managed to get a CL ticket if we'd qualified.

I guess if sevco come up we'll have the extra £50 added to our books and maybe then we will see a bit more investment than what we have done but it won't be because sevco are in the league. ;)

Our transfer budget isn't dependant on CL qualification anyway, is it? :(
I go to every home game but sometimes can't afford C/L . Leave Aldi alone ya bastard best burgers out. :angry:
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harryhoodshatrick
30 Aug 2015, 07:30 PM
If profit is the bottom line he is good at his job.Football though is not like any other business.Making a profit is worthless if the product,ie the football team ,is under performing.
We can afford a season of underperforming on the field if it's part of a transition to some kind of new business vision at the club. If people could see a viable plan, there wouldn't be the kind of mass despair that we're currently seeing. The reason for the despair is repeated seasons of underperforming (the benchmark here being Europe, not the SPL) and a board that appears to have zero vision for the future. And which also takes its "customers" for granted.
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30 Aug 2015, 09:35 PM
harryhoodshatrick
30 Aug 2015, 07:30 PM
If profit is the bottom line he is good at his job.Football though is not like any other business.Making a profit is worthless if the product,ie the football team ,is under performing.
We can afford a season of underperforming on the field if it's part of a transition to some kind of new business vision at the club. If people could see a viable plan, there wouldn't be the kind of mass despair that we're currently seeing. The reason for the despair is repeated seasons of underperforming (the benchmark here being Europe, not the SPL) and a board that appears to have zero vision for the future. And which also takes its "customers" for granted.
Attitudes will change next season of that I have no doubt.
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greenjedi
30 Aug 2015, 07:50 PM
harryhoodshatrick
30 Aug 2015, 07:30 PM
JTH
30 Aug 2015, 06:11 PM

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If profit is the bottom line he is good at his job.Football though is not like any other business.Making a profit is worthless if the product,ie the football team ,is under performing.The MON years was successful for Celtic even though we were losing money.If we win nothing this year and make money this is not successful.
His remit as set by the Desmond and his plc board lackies is to balance the books. He is doing exactly what he is supposed to do. Look higher up the food chain for those who decide our fiscal policy
It's not the fiscal policy that's the problem. It's Lawwell's interference in deciding signings that's the problem.
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