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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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27 Aug 2015, 08:08 PM
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27 Aug 2015, 04:17 PM
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27 Aug 2015, 04:09 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deeprealistically do that would gain sufficient support to be effective?

Lots of us are sickened by Desmond-Lawwell's management. We have reasoned, balanced fears for the ability of the club to live up to it's stature and the legacy of it's history. We doubt if the will exists at the highest level to at least try to drive Celtic on to be the best football club it can be, because their priority is running a stable, profitable business that handsomely rewards it executives.

I don't doubt for a minute Desmond and Lawwell & co are Celtic supporters at heart and love to see the team win, but while that's all we supporters care about, they have an additional agenda that goes beyond their responsibility to running things properly. Problem is they know how we tick; they understand our loyalty to our club and they know how to exploit it. They know mass fan revolt won't happen again as it did to oust the old regime, not least of all because we football supporters have become seduced by the gimmickry of modern football; that SKY and BT have sedated us to the point we're too complacent and just too lazy to get off our arses. And, most of all, they know that many Celtic fans are too easily distracted to stand their ground. The huns will be promoted next year and that will suffice for many who are pissed off, as sickening and exasperating a thing as that is to admit.

As we all know, the only way to get through to such people is to hit them financially. They absolutely hate negative publicity when it has the potential to annoy investors and advertisers, but most of all they fear loss of revenue. We're all season-ticketed up now - not that we would refuse to sign up en masse
What a coincidence that you come across as a pumpkin too! :thumbsup:

Hope you're not campaigning either.
Me? Nah, not got the brutal level of self entitlement you saunter about with pal. Would effing hate to look at life through your perspective.
Self entitlement is not spending what little disposable income I have funding a millionaire who is ruining the club?

Very good.
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Bonuses are usually a very good way of not paying the same level of tax you'd pay on a similar salaried amount.
As a very successful , prominent Celtic-minded businessman said me recently:

"Lawwell's only KPI is to make sure DD does not have to spend a single penny on the club".

And as John Lydon famously said:

"Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? Good night!"


DD doesn't need to spend a penny because as a club our size with no debt we would beable to push the boat out a go a wee bit into debt to strengthen the team without DD's help.
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Looks like another gamble going into the play off game with basically the same squad, if anything poorer that what we were for the Legia debacle, it's clear the only way Ronny will have any funds to spend will depend on qualification into the CL.

Question, is this fiscal financial house keeping or complete negligence from the board? I'm going with the latter, the support are fed up with the utter garbage that has been spouted over the last few years while the squad has been decimated, "improving the quality year on year", "we can afford a 6m player" sound bytes, the usual guff regarding the managers we were in for pre season, the ludicrous pre season tours, especially that Spurs game. :ffs: there are a whole host of other issues that we all know about.

Fact of the matter is a large percentage of the support have had enough, no return on their financial / emotional investment, a piss poor first team squad, being managed by a guy who looks completely out of his depth, but seemingly stubborn enough not to change his philosophy on the game, don't get me wrong this has been coming for years.

If we fail to beat Maribor then our CEO / DOF is in for a hell of a rough time #betterbeleiveit
Nothing has changed really.....

(Yeah quoted myself) :lol:
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Some of this is a bit over the top. Boycotts... really? We need a deviation in policy and we need to stop rewarding failure. But fundamentally those are in charge are attempting to look after the best interests in the club. The fact of the matter is Malmo assembled their team for the same money we spent on Ciftci. Their players earn a fraction of what ours do. A lack of investment is not why we are out of the Champions League again. How many times over do we need to outspend the likes of Legia, Maribor and Malmo before we get it right on the park? Too many mistakes have been made in the football operation from the hiring (and attempted hiring) of players and managers. It has been extremely costly on and off the park. We absolutely need a complete review of the football side of things from a youth policy which isn't producing, a scouting operation which is finding too many duds and a management team which has failed spectacularly to eliminate a team on a fraction of their budget. We need change, for sure, not revolution.
Malmo and Maribor are not competing with English clubs for players, whereas Celtic are.

If a player from the continent (or elsewhere) considers taking up an offer to play for Celtic, he will also be considering opportunities in England and that's why we're forced to pay considerably higher transfer fees and wages than the likes of Malmo and Maribor.

We have, in effect, an English Championship level squad now - one that is no more cut out for Champions League football than Birmingham City or Blackburn Rovers are.

We've been reduced to this level by the changing financial situation in England. Eight years ago, Celtic had roughly the same turnover and wages that Everton had, but, as of next season when the new television deal kicks in, our turnover will be dwarfed by every single club in that league.

Lawwell has got to make the unpopular decisions and gambling every summer in a bid to oust Malmo or whoever (for 20m in additional revenue) when a host of middling wee clubs in England are going to be pocketing 100m+ next season is pointless. There's no point Celtic fans burying their heads in the sand over this - the new English PL television deal is a game changer and the club needs to be prepared for it.
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28 Aug 2015, 08:58 AM
Malmo and Maribor are not competing with English clubs for players, whereas Celtic are.

If a player from the continent (or elsewhere) considers taking up an offer to play for Celtic, he will also be considering opportunities in England and that's why we're forced to pay considerably higher transfer fees and wages than the likes of Malmo and Maribor.
Are Eredivise clubs competing with Bundesliga sides? Are French clubs being Gazumped by Serie A outfits?

Just because we share a border doesn't mean we're in direct competition.
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28 Aug 2015, 08:58 AM
Malmo and Maribor are not competing with English clubs for players, whereas Celtic are.

If a player from the continent (or elsewhere) considers taking up an offer to play for Celtic, he will also be considering opportunities in England and that's why we're forced to pay considerably higher transfer fees and wages than the likes of Malmo and Maribor.
Are Eredivise clubs competing with Bundesliga sides? Are French clubs being Gazumped by Serie A outfits?

Just because we share a border doesn't mean we're in direct competition.
We are in direct competition with the English leagues. I don't know if its in this thread or another but I posted a few days back that if a player is considered good enough for Celtic then he will be good enough for a number of English clubs, usually mid to lower premiership or (as seems increasingly common these days) championship teams. These teams will be able to outbid us in terms of wages and fees, because of the astronomical amount of money in the English game. We also share the same employment laws as them whether we like it or not.

Your point about other leagues competing with the country next door isn't really relevant because they are all different countries with their own laws. Only in this "united" (geez peace) Kingdom do we have the situation that we find ourselves in. Competing with clubs from another football association, with the same employment laws, but a massive financial disadvantage

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28 Aug 2015, 08:58 AM
Malmo and Maribor are not competing with English clubs for players, whereas Celtic are.

If a player from the continent (or elsewhere) considers taking up an offer to play for Celtic, he will also be considering opportunities in England and that's why we're forced to pay considerably higher transfer fees and wages than the likes of Malmo and Maribor.
Are Eredivise clubs competing with Bundesliga sides? Are French clubs being Gazumped by Serie A outfits?

Just because we share a border doesn't mean we're in direct competition.
We are in direct competition with the English leagues. I don't know if its in this thread or another but I posted a few days back that if a player is considered good enough for Celtic then he will be good enough for a number of English clubs, usually mid to lower premiership or (as seems increasingly common these days) championship teams. These teams will be able to outbid us in terms of wages and fees, because of the astronomical amount of money in the English game. We also share the same employment laws as them whether we like it or not.

Your point about other leagues competing with the country next door isn't really relevant because they are all different countries with their own laws. Only in this "united" (geez peace) Kingdom do we have the situation that we find ourselves in. Competing with clubs from another football association, with the same employment laws, but a massive financial disadvantage

Terrible theory
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We are in direct competition with the English leagues. I don't know if its in this thread or another but I posted a few days back that if a player is considered good enough for Celtic then he will be good enough for a number of English clubs, usually mid to lower premiership or (as seems increasingly common these days) championship teams. These teams will be able to outbid us in terms of wages and fees, because of the astronomical amount of money in the English game. We also share the same employment laws as them whether we like it or not.

Your point about other leagues competing with the country next door isn't really relevant because they are all different countries with their own laws. Only in this "united" (geez peace) Kingdom do we have the situation that we find ourselves in. Competing with clubs from another football association, with the same employment laws, but a massive financial disadvantage

Terrible theory
elaborate on your point instead of throwing in a two word answer. It isn't a terrible theory.

The Scottish game is being strangled by the riches "next door" and the constant media over exposure of the league "next door". Its no coincidence that the decline of the Scottish game has went hand in hand with the rise of the EPL and the trickle down effect of massive money in the English game.

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Lawwell has got to make the unpopular decisions and gambling every summer in a bid to oust Malmo or whoever (for 20m in additional revenue) when a host of middling wee clubs in England are going to be pocketing 100m+ next season is pointless. There's no point Celtic fans burying their heads in the sand over this - the new English PL television deal is a game changer and the club needs to be prepared for it.
Utterly ludicrous--that is exactly the kind of thinking will allow Lawwell to stay smug, complacent and over-compensated through many Celtic humiliations in Europe.

So what would we have had to gamble this summer in order to strengthen the side in the positions that everybody was worried about. 2 or 3 players for... £5 million or £6 million total? And here's the key point that Lawwell's nervous Nellies never seem to get. If anything went wrong and we still didn't qualify for the CL, those new players would not suddenly become worthless; spending those transfer fees would not be the same as burning the money in the street!

If we could be confident of bringing in players who are not complete duds, that £5 - £6 million could likely be recouped, either by selling the new guys, or shifting one or two older players. And this is where our proximity to the Premiership actually becomes an advantage! We won't get the same ludicrously inflated prices for players that English clubs get when they're dealing with other English clubs; but as you know, we've been able to turn healthy profits on several decent players in recent years. So it's quite likely that we would to emerge from this "worst-case" scenario with a profit!

The only possible flaw in planning along these lines would be if Lawwell and Park ended up signing duds who could not be shifted. We wouldn't end up like Sevco (despite what the nervous Nellies like to claim), but we would take a financial hit. Having given this matter some thought post-Malmo, I feel pretty certain that Lawwell's inexcusable failure to undertake significant activity in the transfer market is a direct reflection on his confidence in himself and John Park. Better to do nothing than to risk (and in this case, it really is a risk!) the embarrassment of bringing more high-profile failures to CP. What a shameful way to run a multi-million pound business--but who you gonna call? Not Dermot Demond, apparently.

We do not need World Cup-winning visionaries to arrive at Celtic Park in order to get the club operating smoothly, and moving in the right direction again. Just reasonably competent, professional football men; guys who would sort this mess out for a fraction of what the sharp-suited well-known businessman gets paid. Unfortunately it looks like there won't be any vacancies for such people in the foreseeable future; and in the meantime we have to just sit back and wonder how much damage the present incumbents will be able to inflict upon the club before they finally let someone else come in and start the recovery operation. This is a horrendous situation--and what makes it even worse is that no-one on the Celtic board seems to even realize that there are deep-rooted problems at the club.

"Gambling every summer"?! Three little words that sum up the huge lie that keeps inflicting pain on the entire Celtic support, season after season. Welcome back to KDS, Peter.
Edited by QualityStreet1970, 28 Aug 2015, 10:08 AM.
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Celtic as a club and as a company need to ignore everything that happens in English football up until the point any of their clubs wants to throw stupid money at our players. The EPL is fantasy football, we'll never be part of it and we'll never have anywhere near the money these bang average clubs will have at their disposal - Scottish football as a whole, not just Celtic needs to change their strategy and stop trying to emulate the England game, it is the completely wrong way to go.
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We are in direct competition with the English leagues. I don't know if its in this thread or another but I posted a few days back that if a player is considered good enough for Celtic then he will be good enough for a number of English clubs, usually mid to lower premiership or (as seems increasingly common these days) championship teams. These teams will be able to outbid us in terms of wages and fees, because of the astronomical amount of money in the English game. We also share the same employment laws as them whether we like it or not.

Your point about other leagues competing with the country next door isn't really relevant because they are all different countries with their own laws. Only in this "united" (geez peace) Kingdom do we have the situation that we find ourselves in. Competing with clubs from another football association, with the same employment laws, but a massive financial disadvantage.
Surely by that thinking if you're good enough for Ajax then you're sound for an upper/mid-table German club? And if you're good enough for say, a Marseille, then surely you can get employment from a very tidy Serie A club?

Are the employment laws football wise astronomically different in my examples? Happy to be proved wrong, but I really don't think they are. Ajax and Marseille are at a monumental financial disadvantage from their bordering neighbours too. It's not a problem exclusive to Scotland.
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28 Aug 2015, 09:41 AM
We are in direct competition with the English leagues. I don't know if its in this thread or another but I posted a few days back that if a player is considered good enough for Celtic then he will be good enough for a number of English clubs, usually mid to lower premiership or (as seems increasingly common these days) championship teams. These teams will be able to outbid us in terms of wages and fees, because of the astronomical amount of money in the English game. We also share the same employment laws as them whether we like it or not.

Your point about other leagues competing with the country next door isn't really relevant because they are all different countries with their own laws. Only in this "united" (geez peace) Kingdom do we have the situation that we find ourselves in. Competing with clubs from another football association, with the same employment laws, but a massive financial disadvantage.
Surely by that thinking if you're good enough for Ajax then you're sound for an upper/mid-table German club? And if you're good enough for say, a Marseille, then surely you can get employment from a very tidy Serie A club?

Are the employment laws football wise astronomically different in my examples? Happy to be proved wrong, but I really don't think they are. Ajax and Marseille are at a monumental financial disadvantage from their bordering neighbours too. It's not a problem exclusive to Scotland.
you're probably right with your examples of players being useful to different clubs in different leagues. In the case of Ajax, they haven't exactly been ripping up the European scene of late, and neither has Dutch football in general. Maybe they are suffering from trying to keep up with the Jones's next door.

As for French teams, outwith PSG or Monaco when they were being bankrolled, they too seem to be finding it tough lately - whether that is down to having wealthy neighbours in Italy I don't know.

I'm not an expert in differences in Employment law between European countries but I am pretty sure there are several countries of a similar size to Scotland that have an advantage over us when it comes to signing non eu players (may have changed but I know there used to be a difference). Portugal and Holland immediately spring to mind.





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Lawwell has got to make the unpopular decisions and gambling every summer in a bid to oust Malmo or whoever (for 20m in additional revenue) when a host of middling wee clubs in England are going to be pocketing 100m+ next season is pointless. There's no point Celtic fans burying their heads in the sand over this - the new English PL television deal is a game changer and the club needs to be prepared for it.
Utterly ludicrous--that is exactly the kind of thinking will allow Lawwell to stay smug, complacent and over-compensated through many Celtic humiliations in Europe.

So what would we have had to gamble this summer in order to strengthen the side in the positions that everybody was worried about. 2 or 3 players for... £5 million or £6 million total? And here's the key point that Lawwell's nervous Nellies never seem to get. If anything went wrong and we still didn't qualify for the CL, those new players would not suddenly become worthless; spending those transfer fees would not be the same as burning the money in the street!

If we could be confident of bringing in players who are not complete duds, that £5 - £6 million could likely be recouped, either by selling the new guys, or shifting one or two older players. And this is where our proximity to the Premiership actually becomes an advantage! We won't get the same ludicrously inflated prices for players that English clubs get when they're dealing with other English clubs; but as you know, we've been able to turn healthy profits on several decent players in recent years. So it's quite likely that we would to emerge from this "worst-case" scenario with a profit!

The only possible flaw in planning along these lines would be if Lawwell and Park ended up signing duds who could not be shifted. We wouldn't end up like Sevco (despite what the nervous Nellies like to claim), but we would take a financial hit. Having given this matter some thought post-Malmo, I feel pretty certain that Lawwell's inexcusable failure to undertake significant activity in the transfer market is a direct reflection on his confidence in himself and John Park. Better to do nothing than to risk (and in this case, it really is a risk!) the embarrassment of bringing more high-profile failures to CP. What a shameful way to run a multi-million pound business--but who you gonna call? Not Dermot Demond, apparently.

We do not need World Cup-winning visionaries to arrive at Celtic Park in order to get the club operating smoothly, and moving in the right direction again. Just reasonably competent, professional football men; guys who would sort this mess out for a fraction of what the sharp-suited well-known businessman gets paid. Unfortunately it looks like there won't be any vacancies for such people in the foreseeable future; and in the meantime we have to just sit back and wonder how much damage the present incumbents will be able to inflict upon the club before they finally let someone else come in and start the recovery operation. This is a horrendous situation--and what makes it even worse is that no-one on the Celtic board seems to even realize that there are deep-rooted problems at the club.

"Gambling every summer"?! Three little words that sum up the huge lie that keeps inflicting pain on the entire Celtic support, season after season. Welcome back to KDS, Peter.
:lol: :lol:

"Gambling every summer" is exactly what you and many others on KDS want the club to do.

Spending millions on players of dubious quality in the HOPE of winning unpredictable CL play-off matches.

It's not just the transfer fees either, it's wages, sign-on fees, appearance fees etc.

I'm not defending Lawwell or the other directors, i'm just pointing out that when Celtic attempt to sign a player from just about anywhere, English clubs are immediately alerted and this tends to drive up costs.
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This is how i see it - and not surprisingly the board don't come out well in my view

Youth development - we are nothing out of the ordinary - we don't produce anything like enough players for our own first team (even likes of Darnell Fisher came from Jimmy Johnstone Academy). We spend a negligible amount on quality coaching at lennoxtown so we can't know that we've given this a good shot

Scottish Scouting - As we dont produce enough quality of our own our own backyard should be foundation for a reasonable number of the squad. We can source these at any time in their development but it seems to be that it's when they are on radar of championship sides down south that we identify them - by which time they are ready for considerable uplift in wages and a fee to their club which in scheme of things can be a waste of our cash. Some are being picked up for buttons at right stage in their contract so not a complete write off.
as an aside we need to find a way of developing such player

Scouting generally - we are looking at young players for the main part as part of our business plan is buy and sell on - a seemingly large part of our buys seem to come from one agent or through one club - this does not suggest we operate far and wide - we've had our mexican and korean link ups and nothing has flowed from there - and when we have sourced far and wide there has been so many poor purchases who remain on wages for large period of time setting off v the gains we have made from likes of wanyama forster and ki - mention has been made up above of south america - there's a former scout for whole of South America sitting in bearsden twidling his thumbs and going to championship matches - why wouldn't we try to utilise his expertise

the management team - we have what we have at the moment - i believe we need a team that at very least prioritises all of the above - i don't get that feeling with our existing team - they see themselves as coaches who can deliver improved players and results - no sign of that so far and they also appear to be lacking the balls to point out to lawwell how poor the current squad is

All of the above should be the focus of our management's time - it feels ad hoc and underinvested at celtic

We have the money to do all of the above well - we dont seem to have the personnel or the will at boardroom level to do this

From the board there needs to be an understanding that if we can home grow and buy in from scotland a reasonable % of our squad that there can be significant investment in the balance of the squad - we should be competing with likes of feyenord and ajax for players - are we doing that - and we should be benefiting from our cl champions route easily - we don't have to beat the likes of psv, feyenord or other good dutch teams to win our league

the rickets lawwell has made of the last few years on the squad management and the team performance is incredible

on our operating environment despite numerous leaks re british cup, work on atlantic league etc nothing has been delivered - after over 10 years in charge that is scandalous - if we stand still we will go further and further back
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We are in direct competition with the English leagues. I don't know if its in this thread or another but I posted a few days back that if a player is considered good enough for Celtic then he will be good enough for a number of English clubs, usually mid to lower premiership or (as seems increasingly common these days) championship teams. These teams will be able to outbid us in terms of wages and fees, because of the astronomical amount of money in the English game. We also share the same employment laws as them whether we like it or not.

Your point about other leagues competing with the country next door isn't really relevant because they are all different countries with their own laws. Only in this "united" (geez peace) Kingdom do we have the situation that we find ourselves in. Competing with clubs from another football association, with the same employment laws, but a massive financial disadvantage.
Surely by that thinking if you're good enough for Ajax then you're sound for an upper/mid-table German club? And if you're good enough for say, a Marseille, then surely you can get employment from a very tidy Serie A club?

Are the employment laws football wise astronomically different in my examples? Happy to be proved wrong, but I really don't think they are. Ajax and Marseille are at a monumental financial disadvantage from their bordering neighbours too. It's not a problem exclusive to Scotland.
you're probably right with your examples of players being useful to different clubs in different leagues. In the case of Ajax, they haven't exactly been ripping up the European scene of late, and neither has Dutch football in general. Maybe they are suffering from trying to keep up with the Jones's next door.

As for French teams, outwith PSG or Monaco when they were being bankrolled, they too seem to be finding it tough lately - whether that is down to having wealthy neighbours in Italy I don't know.

I'm not an expert in differences in Employment law between European countries but I am pretty sure there are several countries of a similar size to Scotland that have an advantage over us when it comes to signing non eu players (may have changed but I know there used to be a difference). Portugal and Holland immediately spring to mind.





I agree with most of what you say, but just to add, Italian sides are utter crap (excluding Juve).
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28 Aug 2015, 08:58 AM
Lawwell has got to make the unpopular decisions and gambling every summer in a bid to oust Malmo or whoever (for 20m in additional revenue) when a host of middling wee clubs in England are going to be pocketing 100m+ next season is pointless. There's no point Celtic fans burying their heads in the sand over this - the new English PL television deal is a game changer and the club needs to be prepared for it.
Utterly ludicrous--that is exactly the kind of thinking will allow Lawwell to stay smug, complacent and over-compensated through many Celtic humiliations in Europe.

So what would we have had to gamble this summer in order to strengthen the side in the positions that everybody was worried about. 2 or 3 players for... £5 million or £6 million total? And here's the key point that Lawwell's nervous Nellies never seem to get. If anything went wrong and we still didn't qualify for the CL, those new players would not suddenly become worthless; spending those transfer fees would not be the same as burning the money in the street!

If we could be confident of bringing in players who are not complete duds, that £5 - £6 million could likely be recouped, either by selling the new guys, or shifting one or two older players. And this is where our proximity to the Premiership actually becomes an advantage! We won't get the same ludicrously inflated prices for players that English clubs get when they're dealing with other English clubs; but as you know, we've been able to turn healthy profits on several decent players in recent years. So it's quite likely that we would to emerge from this "worst-case" scenario with a profit!

The only possible flaw in planning along these lines would be if Lawwell and Park ended up signing duds who could not be shifted. We wouldn't end up like Sevco (despite what the nervous Nellies like to claim), but we would take a financial hit. Having given this matter some thought post-Malmo, I feel pretty certain that Lawwell's inexcusable failure to undertake significant activity in the transfer market is a direct reflection on his confidence in himself and John Park. Better to do nothing than to risk (and in this case, it really is a risk!) the embarrassment of bringing more high-profile failures to CP. What a shameful way to run a multi-million pound business--but who you gonna call? Not Dermot Demond, apparently.

We do not need World Cup-winning visionaries to arrive at Celtic Park in order to get the club operating smoothly, and moving in the right direction again. Just reasonably competent, professional football men; guys who would sort this mess out for a fraction of what the sharp-suited well-known businessman gets paid. Unfortunately it looks like there won't be any vacancies for such people in the foreseeable future; and in the meantime we have to just sit back and wonder how much damage the present incumbents will be able to inflict upon the club before they finally let someone else come in and start the recovery operation. This is a horrendous situation--and what makes it even worse is that no-one on the Celtic board seems to even realize that there are deep-rooted problems at the club.

"Gambling every summer"?! Three little words that sum up the huge lie that keeps inflicting pain on the entire Celtic support, season after season. Welcome back to KDS, Peter.
Excellent post. It's amazing how many people fail to see footballers as financial assets. Some would have you believe that If we spent £5 million on a striker, we'd immediately be plunged into crisis and find ourselves competing with Sevco in the lower leagues. Yet a £5 million striker could have earned us £40 million if he'd helped us beat Malmo and Maribor over the past year. A £5 million striker may also develop into a £10-15 million striker and lead to a huge profit. Absolute worst case scenario is we spend £5 million on a guy who turns out to be an absolute dud who makes no contribution and has no re-sale value. Highly unlikely that would happen but even if it did, we survived this scenario before with Raphael Scheidt without having to call in the liquidators.
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3 days after and PL is still here?

F*ck off already.
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quiet day Sevilliano? ^^^

most of what you say is correct, but the retired scout is too much of a hun to be trusted. :suspect:
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Malmo and Maribor are not competing with English clubs for players, whereas Celtic are.

If a player from the continent (or elsewhere) considers taking up an offer to play for Celtic, he will also be considering opportunities in England and that's why we're forced to pay considerably higher transfer fees and wages than the likes of Malmo and Maribor.
Are Eredivise clubs competing with Bundesliga sides? Are French clubs being Gazumped by Serie A outfits?

Just because we share a border doesn't mean we're in direct competition.
As long as we remain in political union with England, share the same language, currency, customs, tax system, immigration law, employment law and many other things, Celtic will continue to belong to the same footballing market.

When a player's agent gets wind of Celtic's interest, he will inevitably want to get the best deal possible for his client.

A tried and tested way is to let other clubs in the same country know about Celtic's approach.

Luckily for these agents, there's no shortage of cashed-up English clubs looking to take a 'punt'.
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