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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,861 Views)
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Timdom come
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27 Aug 2015, 05:12 PM
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- Cisnox
- 27 Aug 2015, 04:26 PM
- Hagi Bhoy
- 27 Aug 2015, 04:24 PM
Boycotts?
Happy with Lawwell at the club then aye? Otherwise how would you suggest getting him removed? Like it or not the Europa league is important. I'll not boycott it.
The board will have to be convinced by other means that their strategy is shampooe, if the results don't tell them that already.
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Asgardstreasure
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27 Aug 2015, 05:13 PM
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- fulbar
- 27 Aug 2015, 05:10 PM
We have to be realistic, what can we really achieve with the current structure, who can we really attract to the club.
The last really great Celtic team in my eyes was the 2004/05 team under MON, that team with the right investment could have went on to great things and challenged further in Europe but the board decided rightly or wrongly to take us in a different direction, MON repeatedly said that season that we should "prepare for life in the slow-lane" and he was right.
Between 2000 and 2005 we build a fantastic team and had one of the most wanted managers in Britain, it's not crazy to say that we could have build a dynasty if more ambition was shown after this period. that team needed rebuilding but since then we have become a selling club and we have had to rebuild constantly and struggled we have had the odd result in Europe but we have lost the fear factor we once had and have went back to a team struggling to even qualify like the 90's.
Back then you felt as if the team had a purpose and it could realistically compete now I just feel as if we are lost, constantly selling players and replacing them with youngsters from england and loan signings, there's no direction in Lawwels policy.
Since then led by Lawwell the structure has changed completely, MON is the last manager we had who ran the club from top to bottom and had a say in everything similar to a Ferguson or Wenger since then managers have had to deal with Lawwell and the likes of John Park making decisions and at times the managers have become yes men
I've got to the stage where I've accepted that the board will never meet the ambition of us supporters you can blame that on the league we are in or blame it on them for not pushing the boat out slightly more.
The two greatest Celtic teams in recent history where left to fall apart and the success was not built on
the lisbon lions broke up and the next generation where sold off the seville team after reaching a European final the only signing the next season was Michael Gray on loan and Henrik Larsson was never replaced
Financially we need to be sensible yes but surely to god given the history and size of the club we need to show a bit of ambition, we never seem to learn from past failures When MON left Celtic were as I recall some £20m in debt and rising. Our financial structure was unsustainable. I think at the time the debt was built up there was some momentum behind the idea of us and Rangers (IL) getting into England's top flight. There were rumours that Sky supported the move and would bait the hook for EPL clubs. Once it became clear that it wasn't going to happen any time soon the brakes were applied and the club has maintained a much more disciplined approach to its finances since. Strachan did incredibly well to take us to the last 16 twice whilst reducing the debt to almost nothing simultaneously.
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shugmc
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27 Aug 2015, 05:15 PM
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John Park? Better off with Douglas Park than that overpaid, useless bastard..
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MBhoy1888
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27 Aug 2015, 05:16 PM
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- murphio
- 27 Aug 2015, 03:59 PM
Some of this is a bit over the top. Boycotts... really? We need a deviation in policy and we need to stop rewarding failure. But fundamentally those are in charge are attempting to look after the best interests in the club. The fact of the matter is Malmo assembled their team for the same money we spent on Ciftci. Their players earn a fraction of what ours do. A lack of investment is not why we are out of the Champions League again. How many times over do we need to outspend the likes of Legia, Maribor and Malmo before we get it right on the park? Too many mistakes have been made in the football operation from the hiring (and attempted hiring) of players and managers. It has been extremely costly on and off the park. We absolutely need a complete review of the football side of things from a youth policy which isn't producing, a scouting operation which is finding too many duds and a management team which has failed spectacularly to eliminate a team on a fraction of their budget. We need change, for sure, not revolution. Agree with all this.
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fatboab
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27 Aug 2015, 05:18 PM
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Just before the Dawn
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- wilbur67
- 27 Aug 2015, 04:16 PM
I still don't get the rush to renew season books every season, supporters should hang off to see if we spend first and then qualify for the CL. There's no way I'd be a supporter based in Ireland or a Scottish Island or remote corner and forking out for a book when most home games may well be on a Sunday.
Furthermore, is there really a need to buy one anyway- especially when the ground is far bigger than the average support it holds? It was different during the MON years, but we're not going back there anytime soon. So, the best bet is not to own a ST and pick you 10-15 or 20 games a season based on their attractiveness. The whole ST campaign is rigged towards the company and not the 'customer'. there's a whole number of reasons for buying season books, not least of which is financing/budgeting for the year ahead. Without season book sales, we would be spending a whole lot less than we do now. I am wholly against our current methods of downsizing, but conversely, I am totally committed to buying a season book and I think I always will be.
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fulbar
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27 Aug 2015, 05:21 PM
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- Asgardstreasure
- 27 Aug 2015, 05:13 PM
- fulbar
- 27 Aug 2015, 05:10 PM
We have to be realistic, what can we really achieve with the current structure, who can we really attract to the club.
The last really great Celtic team in my eyes was the 2004/05 team under MON, that team with the right investment could have went on to great things and challenged further in Europe but the board decided rightly or wrongly to take us in a different direction, MON repeatedly said that season that we should "prepare for life in the slow-lane" and he was right.
Between 2000 and 2005 we build a fantastic team and had one of the most wanted managers in Britain, it's not crazy to say that we could have build a dynasty if more ambition was shown after this period. that team needed rebuilding but since then we have become a selling club and we have had to rebuild constantly and struggled we have had the odd result in Europe but we have lost the fear factor we once had and have went back to a team struggling to even qualify like the 90's.
Back then you felt as if the team had a purpose and it could realistically compete now I just feel as if we are lost, constantly selling players and replacing them with youngsters from england and loan signings, there's no direction in Lawwels policy.
Since then led by Lawwell the structure has changed completely, MON is the last manager we had who ran the club from top to bottom and had a say in everything similar to a Ferguson or Wenger since then managers have had to deal with Lawwell and the likes of John Park making decisions and at times the managers have become yes men
I've got to the stage where I've accepted that the board will never meet the ambition of us supporters you can blame that on the league we are in or blame it on them for not pushing the boat out slightly more.
The two greatest Celtic teams in recent history where left to fall apart and the success was not built on
the lisbon lions broke up and the next generation where sold off the seville team after reaching a European final the only signing the next season was Michael Gray on loan and Henrik Larsson was never replaced
Financially we need to be sensible yes but surely to god given the history and size of the club we need to show a bit of ambition, we never seem to learn from past failures
When MON left Celtic were as I recall some £20m debt and rising. Oor financial structure was unsustainable. Maybe it was unsustainable but your missing my general point it was around this point that Lawwell came in and since then I've never felt we have had any real direction or ambition to compete at Champions League level
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Quiet Assasin
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27 Aug 2015, 05:22 PM
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..for the maintenance of dinner tables for the children and the unemployed
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- henrimd
- 27 Aug 2015, 03:08 PM
- henrikisgod
- 27 Aug 2015, 03:04 PM
- green_equals_silver
- 27 Aug 2015, 11:07 AM
Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Saved me the bother
Not just the Kazakstanis, we scrapped through against a poor Swedish team the round before. We could easily have gone out before even reaching the play offs. And he didn't just lose Samaras. Ledley went to. Not that that is was the important point. Surely the loss of Ledley doesn't matter as Johansen is the better player...?
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jbj712
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27 Aug 2015, 05:29 PM
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The idea that we could not find a well respected experienced manager is of course pure bunkum! Pay the money and they will come! The Norwegian pensioner that put us out on Tuesday and has taken Malmo to the group stages twice - would be here in a heartbeat if given a decent wedge! Just like players - if you pay the money you get better quality Our last two managers got the job because they were cheap. They were cheap because they were unproven at any decent level. Neither should have been given the job!
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27 Aug 2015, 05:51 PM
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- Asgardstreasure
- 27 Aug 2015, 05:13 PM
- fulbar
- 27 Aug 2015, 05:10 PM
We have to be realistic, what can we really achieve with the current structure, who can we really attract to the club.
The last really great Celtic team in my eyes was the 2004/05 team under MON, that team with the right investment could have went on to great things and challenged further in Europe but the board decided rightly or wrongly to take us in a different direction, MON repeatedly said that season that we should "prepare for life in the slow-lane" and he was right.
Between 2000 and 2005 we build a fantastic team and had one of the most wanted managers in Britain, it's not crazy to say that we could have build a dynasty if more ambition was shown after this period. that team needed rebuilding but since then we have become a selling club and we have had to rebuild constantly and struggled we have had the odd result in Europe but we have lost the fear factor we once had and have went back to a team struggling to even qualify like the 90's.
Back then you felt as if the team had a purpose and it could realistically compete now I just feel as if we are lost, constantly selling players and replacing them with youngsters from england and loan signings, there's no direction in Lawwels policy.
Since then led by Lawwell the structure has changed completely, MON is the last manager we had who ran the club from top to bottom and had a say in everything similar to a Ferguson or Wenger since then managers have had to deal with Lawwell and the likes of John Park making decisions and at times the managers have become yes men
I've got to the stage where I've accepted that the board will never meet the ambition of us supporters you can blame that on the league we are in or blame it on them for not pushing the boat out slightly more.
The two greatest Celtic teams in recent history where left to fall apart and the success was not built on
the lisbon lions broke up and the next generation where sold off the seville team after reaching a European final the only signing the next season was Michael Gray on loan and Henrik Larsson was never replaced
Financially we need to be sensible yes but surely to god given the history and size of the club we need to show a bit of ambition, we never seem to learn from past failures
When MON left Celtic were as I recall some £20m in debt and rising. Our financial structure was unsustainable. I think at the time the debt was built up there was some momentum behind the idea of us and Rangers (IL) getting into England's top flight. There were rumours that Sky supported the move and would bait the hook for EPL clubs. Once it became clear that it wasn't going to happen any time soon the brakes were applied and the club has maintained a much more disciplined approach to its finances since. Strachan did incredibly well to take us to the last 16 twice whilst reducing the debt to almost nothing simultaneously. When we were £20m in debt most fans realised that the debt had to be reduced and agreed with the boards policy of downsizing to reduce the debt.The problem is that we have no debt and the board are still behaving as though we are £20m in debt.
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are you here for the game boys
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27 Aug 2015, 05:56 PM
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- 27 Aug 2015, 03:59 PM
Some of this is a bit over the top. Boycotts... really? We need a deviation in policy and we need to stop rewarding failure. But fundamentally those are in charge are attempting to look after the best interests in the club. The fact of the matter is Malmo assembled their team for the same money we spent on Ciftci. Their players earn a fraction of what ours do. A lack of investment is not why we are out of the Champions League again. How many times over do we need to outspend the likes of Legia, Maribor and Malmo before we get it right on the park? Too many mistakes have been made in the football operation from the hiring (and attempted hiring) of players and managers. It has been extremely costly on and off the park. We absolutely need a complete review of the football side of things from a youth policy which isn't producing, a scouting operation which is finding too many duds and a management team which has failed spectacularly to eliminate a team on a fraction of their budget. We need change, for sure, not revolution. posted as much the other night- we need a complete overhaul from top to bottom.
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27 Aug 2015, 06:00 PM
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Some absolute halfwits on here like
Boycott's because we lost a Champions League qualifier 4-3.
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27 Aug 2015, 06:01 PM
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- are you here for the game boys
- 27 Aug 2015, 05:56 PM
- murphio
- 27 Aug 2015, 03:59 PM
Some of this is a bit over the top. Boycotts... really? We need a deviation in policy and we need to stop rewarding failure. But fundamentally those are in charge are attempting to look after the best interests in the club. The fact of the matter is Malmo assembled their team for the same money we spent on Ciftci. Their players earn a fraction of what ours do. A lack of investment is not why we are out of the Champions League again. How many times over do we need to outspend the likes of Legia, Maribor and Malmo before we get it right on the park? Too many mistakes have been made in the football operation from the hiring (and attempted hiring) of players and managers. It has been extremely costly on and off the park. We absolutely need a complete review of the football side of things from a youth policy which isn't producing, a scouting operation which is finding too many duds and a management team which has failed spectacularly to eliminate a team on a fraction of their budget. We need change, for sure, not revolution.
posted as much the other night- we need a complete overhaul from top to bottom. We certainly need to spend the money we have more wisely. Several millions have been pished down the drain on players not up to scratch during the last 4-5 years. That has been brutal to watch but it's a problem that has been with us since long before Deila arrived. An absolute fortune has been squandered.
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27 Aug 2015, 06:02 PM
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- Celticbhoy_07
- 27 Aug 2015, 06:00 PM
Yes, that's exactly it. Just because we lost that one tie, that's why someone suggested it.
Oh no wait, you just can't effing read.
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27 Aug 2015, 06:04 PM
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- 27 Aug 2015, 06:02 PM
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- 27 Aug 2015, 06:00 PM
Yes, that's exactly it. Just because we lost that one tie, that's why someone suggested it. Oh no wait, you just can't effing read. Nobody was calling for a boycott last week so I can only assume its a reaction to failing to qualify. Just like nobody was calling for Deila to be sacked last week yet they are now.
It's ridiculous.
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27 Aug 2015, 06:12 PM
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I take it everyone else just received the "go retro with our range of retro t-shirts" email.
Away and take yourselves to eff Celtic
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27 Aug 2015, 06:15 PM
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- Celticbhoy_07
- 27 Aug 2015, 06:04 PM
- Cisnox
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- 27 Aug 2015, 06:00 PM
Yes, that's exactly it. Just because we lost that one tie, that's why someone suggested it. Oh no wait, you just can't effing read.
Nobody was calling for a boycott last week so I can only assume its a reaction to failing to qualify. Just like nobody was calling for Deila to be sacked last week yet they are now. It's ridiculous. No, it's a reaction to 3 seasons without correct investment and a CEO who is picking up more in a salry than he's spending on the team.
It's a reaction to costing us £30 million in 2 years.
It's a reaction to the absurd game plan of selling our best players every year to plug a hole in the gap left by the failure to reach the Champions League each season because of a failure to adequately invest in the team.
It's a reaction to appointing a manger who was initially lined up to be the Assistant Manager, who was then given the managerial role because our plan A was Roy Keane and our plan B was Dan Petrescu (and if that wasn't bad enough, they actually knocked us back )
So yes, a boycott would be good. Then we might actually get the message across. That was the suggestion last season, with similar replies from guys like you. Now we're a year down the line in the exact same situation once again, having the exact same effing conversation on this forum and you think it's a good idea to continue to financially support this madness?
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27 Aug 2015, 06:15 PM
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- Celticbhoy_07
- 27 Aug 2015, 06:00 PM
Yes. Let's just pay up and shut up like good little Bhoys and Ghirls
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27 Aug 2015, 06:16 PM
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Let me get this straight. Malmo's footballing budget is a fraction of ours and they eliminated us. Same goes for Maribor and Legia. So we want the Board to increase our footballing budget so we can beat these lower budget teams. How does that work?
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27 Aug 2015, 06:18 PM
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- Hagi Bhoy
- 27 Aug 2015, 04:24 PM
Boycotts? Stay at home and don't you dare go watch Celtic
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27 Aug 2015, 06:21 PM
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- Jinky7
- 27 Aug 2015, 06:18 PM
- Hagi Bhoy
- 27 Aug 2015, 04:24 PM
Boycotts?
Stay at home and don't you dare go watch Celtic dont forget to look down on the celtic supporting "roasters" going to the games also
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