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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,862 Views)
Tiny Tim
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Lazy scouting by the looks of it, asking salesmen if they have anything the can sell.

PL definitely uses favoured agents, if thats all we are doing its no wonder we end up with gash


FFS :lol: :lol: :lol:

if that is true (and looking at the evidence/dross we buy why would it not be) then it really is fecking shocking :nono:
Been thinking for a while that we put more effort into scouting agents than players- look for one that operates in a particular area and look at what he has to punt.
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While I'm all for revolution, what could we realistically do that would gain sufficient support to be effective?

Lots of us are sickened by Desmond-Lawwell's management. We have reasoned, balanced fears for the ability of the club to live up to it's stature and the legacy of it's history. We doubt if the will exists at the highest level to at least try to drive Celtic on to be the best football club it can be, because their priority is running a stable, profitable business that handsomely rewards it executives.

I don't doubt for a minute Desmond and Lawwell & co are Celtic supporters at heart and love to see the team win, but while that's all we supporters care about, they have an additional agenda that goes beyond their responsibility to running things properly. Problem is they know how we tick; they understand our loyalty to our club and they know how to exploit it. They know mass fan revolt won't happen again as it did to oust the old regime, not least of all because we football supporters have become seduced by the gimmickry of modern football; that SKY and BT have sedated us to the point we're too complacent and just too lazy to get off our arses. And, most of all, they know that many Celtic fans are too easily distracted to stand their ground. The huns will be promoted next year and that will suffice for many who are pissed off, as sickening and exasperating a thing as that is to admit.

As we all know, the only way to get through to such people is to hit them financially. They absolutely hate negative publicity when it has the potential to annoy investors and advertisers, but most of all they fear loss of revenue. We're all season-ticketed up now - not that we would refuse to sign up en masse anyway (I tried that last year then shat it 1 hour after deadline and lost my usual seat) - but a massive statement would be to ignore the Europa League. Not individuals acting alone, but in a concerted show of defiance. For example, every season ticket holder could return the inevitable email we will receive plugging the 3 match package, accompanied by a template statement composed on this site, or Huddleboard etc, explain why we won't be signing up. Its not just the financial loss that would hit them, but the embarrassment of the masses of empty seats, perhaps adorned with guerrilla-style banners spelling it out that this is a protest and not simply apathy? Thing is, for every 1 man or woman ready to go through with it, there's more who wouldn't, and I'm far from sure I could go through with it!

Perhaps too, our own ultra rebels might again direct their ire at our own Board's failures rather than, say, slagging Dinamo Zagreb's chairman? That 'flushed-down-the-toilet' tifo aimed directly at Lawwell a few January's back was brilliant.

We know what we have to do. Whether we can get it together to pull it off is another matter all together.
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aldo
27 Aug 2015, 03:24 PM
While I'm all for revolution, what could we realistically do that would gain sufficient support to be effective?

Lots of us are sickened by Desmond-Lawwell's management. We have reasoned, balanced fears for the ability of the club to live up to it's stature and the legacy of it's history. We doubt if the will exists at the highest level to at least try to drive Celtic on to be the best football club it can be, because their priority is running a stable, profitable business that handsomely rewards it executives.

I don't doubt for a minute Desmond and Lawwell & co are Celtic supporters at heart and love to see the team win, but while that's all we supporters care about, they have an additional agenda that goes beyond their responsibility to running things properly. Problem is they know how we tick; they understand our loyalty to our club and they know how to exploit it. They know mass fan revolt won't happen again as it did to oust the old regime, not least of all because we football supporters have become seduced by the gimmickry of modern football; that SKY and BT have sedated us to the point we're too complacent and just too lazy to get off our arses. And, most of all, they know that many Celtic fans are too easily distracted to stand their ground. The huns will be promoted next year and that will suffice for many who are pissed off, as sickening and exasperating a thing as that is to admit.

As we all know, the only way to get through to such people is to hit them financially. They absolutely hate negative publicity when it has the potential to annoy investors and advertisers, but most of all they fear loss of revenue. We're all season-ticketed up now - not that we would refuse to sign up en masse anyway (I tried that last year then shat it 1 hour after deadline and lost my usual seat) - but a massive statement would be to ignore the Europa League. Not individuals acting alone, but in a concerted show of defiance. For example, every season ticket holder could return the inevitable email we will receive plugging the 3 match package, accompanied by a template statement composed on this site, or Huddleboard etc, explain why we won't be signing up. Its not just the financial loss that would hit them, but the embarrassment of the masses of empty seats, perhaps adorned with guerrilla-style banners spelling it out that this is a protest and not simply apathy? Thing is, for every 1 man or woman ready to go through with it, there's more who wouldn't, and I'm far from sure I could go through with it!

Perhaps too, our own ultra rebels might again direct their ire at our own Board's failures rather than, say, slagging Dinamo Zagreb's chairman? That 'flushed-down-the-toilet' tifo aimed directly at Lawwell a few January's back was brilliant.

We know what we have to do. Whether we can get it together to pull it off is another matter all together.
I think a an organised mass boycot of the Europa League like you suggested is a good idea. However I doubt whether it is doable. As long as we win the league and play ok football, large parts of the fans won't be upset enough to do anything. I think such an action would need very active and able leaders doing a big effort in making the boycott known, explaining ut in the press in a way that gets support, make banners etc. And it would need to be done for all three games, one won't be enough.

I'm probably a part of the do nothing brigade myself. Living abroad I could cut my CelticTv subscrption and not watch the EL games if not shown by another provider. Doubt I'll be able do to it though. But if I lived in Gladgow and had the chance to see the team in all home league games, I might have found myself able to refrain from the European games.
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There was an unorganised boycott of the EL last year and it made no difference. As far as Lawwell is concerned the vast majority of anger against the board is a few internet nutters.

Too many folk have bought into the 'cant spend or we'll die' mantra for a proper boycott to work.
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27 Aug 2015, 03:41 PM
There was an unorganised boycott of the EL last year and it made no difference. As far as Lawwell is concerned the vast majority of anger against the board is a few internet nutters.

Too many folk have bought into the 'cant spend or we'll die' mantra for a proper boycott to work.
But we still had 20 000 plus crowds, did we not? Get that numer down to around ten, which would look ridiculous at CP, and have spokespersons telling the story of an official boycott in the press, and it might be different.

Agree with your last paragraph. That and winning the league.
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While I'm all for revolution, what could we realistically do that would gain sufficient support to be effective?

Lots of us are sickened by Desmond-Lawwell's management. We have reasoned, balanced fears for the ability of the club to live up to it's stature and the legacy of it's history. We doubt if the will exists at the highest level to at least try to drive Celtic on to be the best football club it can be, because their priority is running a stable, profitable business that handsomely rewards it executives.

I don't doubt for a minute Desmond and Lawwell & co are Celtic supporters at heart and love to see the team win, but while that's all we supporters care about, they have an additional agenda that goes beyond their responsibility to running things properly. Problem is they know how we tick; they understand our loyalty to our club and they know how to exploit it. They know mass fan revolt won't happen again as it did to oust the old regime, not least of all because we football supporters have become seduced by the gimmickry of modern football; that SKY and BT have sedated us to the point we're too complacent and just too lazy to get off our arses. And, most of all, they know that many Celtic fans are too easily distracted to stand their ground. The huns will be promoted next year and that will suffice for many who are pissed off, as sickening and exasperating a thing as that is to admit.

As we all know, the only way to get through to such people is to hit them financially. They absolutely hate negative publicity when it has the potential to annoy investors and advertisers, but most of all they fear loss of revenue. We're all season-ticketed up now - not that we would refuse to sign up en masse anyway (I tried that last year then shat it 1 hour after deadline and lost my usual seat) - but a massive statement would be to ignore the Europa League. Not individuals acting alone, but in a concerted show of defiance. For example, every season ticket holder could return the inevitable email we will receive plugging the 3 match package, accompanied by a template statement composed on this site, or Huddleboard etc, explain why we won't be signing up. Its not just the financial loss that would hit them, but the embarrassment of the masses of empty seats, perhaps adorned with guerrilla-style banners spelling it out that this is a protest and not simply apathy? Thing is, for every 1 man or woman ready to go through with it, there's more who wouldn't, and I'm far from sure I could go through with it!

Perhaps too, our own ultra rebels might again direct their ire at our own Board's failures rather than, say, slagging Dinamo Zagreb's chairman? That 'flushed-down-the-toilet' tifo aimed directly at Lawwell a few January's back was brilliant.

We know what we have to do. Whether we can get it together to pull it off is another matter all together.
I think a an organised mass boycot of the Europa League like you suggested is a good idea. However I doubt whether it is doable. As long as we win the league and play ok football, large parts of the fans won't be upset enough to do anything. I think such an action would need very active and able leaders doing a big effort in making the boycott known, explaining ut in the press in a way that gets support, make banners etc. And it would need to be done for all three games, one won't be enough.

I'm probably a part of the do nothing brigade myself. Living abroad I could cut my CelticTv subscrption and not watch the EL games if not shown by another provider. Doubt I'll be able do to it though. But if I lived in Gladgow and had the chance to see the team in all home league games, I might have found myself able to refrain from the European games.
I wanted a boycott of the Europa League last season and it should have happened.

Unfortunately there's too many roasters in our support who want to be 'faithful through and through' by continuing to keep a man earning more than he's spending on the team in a job.

Brilliant.
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27 Aug 2015, 03:47 PM
henrimd
27 Aug 2015, 03:35 PM
aldo
27 Aug 2015, 03:24 PM
While I'm all for revolution, what could we realistically do that would gain sufficient support to be effective?

Lots of us are sickened by Desmond-Lawwell's management. We have reasoned, balanced fears for the ability of the club to live up to it's stature and the legacy of it's history. We doubt if the will exists at the highest level to at least try to drive Celtic on to be the best football club it can be, because their priority is running a stable, profitable business that handsomely rewards it executives.

I don't doubt for a minute Desmond and Lawwell & co are Celtic supporters at heart and love to see the team win, but while that's all we supporters care about, they have an additional agenda that goes beyond their responsibility to running things properly. Problem is they know how we tick; they understand our loyalty to our club and they know how to exploit it. They know mass fan revolt won't happen again as it did to oust the old regime, not least of all because we football supporters have become seduced by the gimmickry of modern football; that SKY and BT have sedated us to the point we're too complacent and just too lazy to get off our arses. And, most of all, they know that many Celtic fans are too easily distracted to stand their ground. The huns will be promoted next year and that will suffice for many who are pissed off, as sickening and exasperating a thing as that is to admit.

As we all know, the only way to get through to such people is to hit them financially. They absolutely hate negative publicity when it has the potential to annoy investors and advertisers, but most of all they fear loss of revenue. We're all season-ticketed up now - not that we would refuse to sign up en masse anyway (I tried that last year then shat it 1 hour after deadline and lost my usual seat) - but a massive statement would be to ignore the Europa League. Not individuals acting alone, but in a concerted show of defiance. For example, every season ticket holder could return the inevitable email we will receive plugging the 3 match package, accompanied by a template statement composed on this site, or Huddleboard etc, explain why we won't be signing up. Its not just the financial loss that would hit them, but the embarrassment of the masses of empty seats, perhaps adorned with guerrilla-style banners spelling it out that this is a protest and not simply apathy? Thing is, for every 1 man or woman ready to go through with it, there's more who wouldn't, and I'm far from sure I could go through with it!

Perhaps too, our own ultra rebels might again direct their ire at our own Board's failures rather than, say, slagging Dinamo Zagreb's chairman? That 'flushed-down-the-toilet' tifo aimed directly at Lawwell a few January's back was brilliant.

We know what we have to do. Whether we can get it together to pull it off is another matter all together.
I think a an organised mass boycot of the Europa League like you suggested is a good idea. However I doubt whether it is doable. As long as we win the league and play ok football, large parts of the fans won't be upset enough to do anything. I think such an action would need very active and able leaders doing a big effort in making the boycott known, explaining ut in the press in a way that gets support, make banners etc. And it would need to be done for all three games, one won't be enough.

I'm probably a part of the do nothing brigade myself. Living abroad I could cut my CelticTv subscrption and not watch the EL games if not shown by another provider. Doubt I'll be able do to it though. But if I lived in Gladgow and had the chance to see the team in all home league games, I might have found myself able to refrain from the European games.
I wanted a boycott of the Europa League last season and it should have happened.

Unfortunately there's too many roasters in our support who want to be 'faithful through and through' by continuing to keep a man earning more than he's spending on the team in a job.

Brilliant.
aye the roasters are the ones turning out to support the team and actually supporting the club financially :ffs:
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Some of this is a bit over the top. Boycotts... really? We need a deviation in policy and we need to stop rewarding failure. But fundamentally those are in charge are attempting to look after the best interests in the club. The fact of the matter is Malmo assembled their team for the same money we spent on Ciftci. Their players earn a fraction of what ours do. A lack of investment is not why we are out of the Champions League again. How many times over do we need to outspend the likes of Legia, Maribor and Malmo before we get it right on the park? Too many mistakes have been made in the football operation from the hiring (and attempted hiring) of players and managers. It has been extremely costly on and off the park. We absolutely need a complete review of the football side of things from a youth policy which isn't producing, a scouting operation which is finding too many duds and a management team which has failed spectacularly to eliminate a team on a fraction of their budget. We need change, for sure, not revolution.
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27 Aug 2015, 03:47 PM
henrimd
27 Aug 2015, 03:35 PM
aldo
27 Aug 2015, 03:24 PM
While I'm all for revolution, what could we realistically do that would gain sufficient support to be effective?

Lots of us are sickened by Desmond-Lawwell's management. We have reasoned, balanced fears for the ability of the club to live up to it's stature and the legacy of it's history. We doubt if the will exists at the highest level to at least try to drive Celtic on to be the best football club it can be, because their priority is running a stable, profitable business that handsomely rewards it executives.

I don't doubt for a minute Desmond and Lawwell & co are Celtic supporters at heart and love to see the team win, but while that's all we supporters care about, they have an additional agenda that goes beyond their responsibility to running things properly. Problem is they know how we tick; they understand our loyalty to our club and they know how to exploit it. They know mass fan revolt won't happen again as it did to oust the old regime, not least of all because we football supporters have become seduced by the gimmickry of modern football; that SKY and BT have sedated us to the point we're too complacent and just too lazy to get off our arses. And, most of all, they know that many Celtic fans are too easily distracted to stand their ground. The huns will be promoted next year and that will suffice for many who are pissed off, as sickening and exasperating a thing as that is to admit.

As we all know, the only way to get through to such people is to hit them financially. They absolutely hate negative publicity when it has the potential to annoy investors and advertisers, but most of all they fear loss of revenue. We're all season-ticketed up now - not that we would refuse to sign up en masse anyway (I tried that last year then shat it 1 hour after deadline and lost my usual seat) - but a massive statement would be to ignore the Europa League. Not individuals acting alone, but in a concerted show of defiance. For example, every season ticket holder could return the inevitable email we will receive plugging the 3 match package, accompanied by a template statement composed on this site, or Huddleboard etc, explain why we won't be signing up. Its not just the financial loss that would hit them, but the embarrassment of the masses of empty seats, perhaps adorned with guerrilla-style banners spelling it out that this is a protest and not simply apathy? Thing is, for every 1 man or woman ready to go through with it, there's more who wouldn't, and I'm far from sure I could go through with it!

Perhaps too, our own ultra rebels might again direct their ire at our own Board's failures rather than, say, slagging Dinamo Zagreb's chairman? That 'flushed-down-the-toilet' tifo aimed directly at Lawwell a few January's back was brilliant.

We know what we have to do. Whether we can get it together to pull it off is another matter all together.
I think a an organised mass boycot of the Europa League like you suggested is a good idea. However I doubt whether it is doable. As long as we win the league and play ok football, large parts of the fans won't be upset enough to do anything. I think such an action would need very active and able leaders doing a big effort in making the boycott known, explaining ut in the press in a way that gets support, make banners etc. And it would need to be done for all three games, one won't be enough.

I'm probably a part of the do nothing brigade myself. Living abroad I could cut my CelticTv subscrption and not watch the EL games if not shown by another provider. Doubt I'll be able do to it though. But if I lived in Gladgow and had the chance to see the team in all home league games, I might have found myself able to refrain from the European games.
I wanted a boycott of the Europa League last season and it should have happened.

Unfortunately there's too many roasters in our support who want to be 'faithful through and through' by continuing to keep a man earning more than he's spending on the team in a job.

Brilliant.
You'll get a lot of success with your campaign calling folk roasters... I voted for Independence, took my time to decide and voted yes. I can fully understand why others didn't vote yes, and there were plenty of people with your attitude that made sure they didn't change their minds.
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27 Aug 2015, 03:35 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deeprealistically do that would gain sufficient support to be effective?

Lots of us are sickened by Desmond-Lawwell's management. We have reasoned, balanced fears for the ability of the club to live up to it's stature and the legacy of it's history. We doubt if the will exists at the highest level to at least try to drive Celtic on to be the best football club it can be, because their priority is running a stable, profitable business that handsomely rewards it executives.

I don't doubt for a minute Desmond and Lawwell & co are Celtic supporters at heart and love to see the team win, but while that's all we supporters care about, they have an additional agenda that goes beyond their responsibility to running things properly. Problem is they know how we tick; they understand our loyalty to our club and they know how to exploit it. They know mass fan revolt won't happen again as it did to oust the old regime, not least of all because we football supporters have become seduced by the gimmickry of modern football; that SKY and BT have sedated us to the point we're too complacent and just too lazy to get off our arses. And, most of all, they know that many Celtic fans are too easily distracted to stand their ground. The huns will be promoted next year and that will suffice for many who are pissed off, as sickening and exasperating a thing as that is to admit.

As we all know, the only way to get through to such people is to hit them financially. They absolutely hate negative publicity when it has the potential to annoy investors and advertisers, but most of all they fear loss of revenue. We're all season-ticketed up now - not that we would refuse to sign up en masse
I wanted a boycott of the Europa League last season and it should have happened.

Unfortunately there's too many roasters in our support who want to be 'faithful through and through' by continuing to keep a man earning more than he's spending on the team in a job.

Brilliant.
aye the roasters are the ones turning out to support the team and actually supporting the club financially :ffs:
Support the club financially? :lol:

Aye nae bother, I'll spend the little disposable income I have ensuring the guy catastrophically mismanaging the club earns his £1.5 million a year.

Obviously you weren't around in the early 90s. Or maybe you were and you were one of the ones turning up at the games every week :ffs:
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27 Aug 2015, 03:35 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deeprealistically do that would gain sufficient support to be effective?

Lots of us are sickened by Desmond-Lawwell's management. We have reasoned, balanced fears for the ability of the club to live up to it's stature and the legacy of it's history. We doubt if the will exists at the highest level to at least try to drive Celtic on to be the best football club it can be, because their priority is running a stable, profitable business that handsomely rewards it executives.

I don't doubt for a minute Desmond and Lawwell & co are Celtic supporters at heart and love to see the team win, but while that's all we supporters care about, they have an additional agenda that goes beyond their responsibility to running things properly. Problem is they know how we tick; they understand our loyalty to our club and they know how to exploit it. They know mass fan revolt won't happen again as it did to oust the old regime, not least of all because we football supporters have become seduced by the gimmickry of modern football; that SKY and BT have sedated us to the point we're too complacent and just too lazy to get off our arses. And, most of all, they know that many Celtic fans are too easily distracted to stand their ground. The huns will be promoted next year and that will suffice for many who are pissed off, as sickening and exasperating a thing as that is to admit.

As we all know, the only way to get through to such people is to hit them financially. They absolutely hate negative publicity when it has the potential to annoy investors and advertisers, but most of all they fear loss of revenue. We're all season-ticketed up now - not that we would refuse to sign up en masse
I wanted a boycott of the Europa League last season and it should have happened.

Unfortunately there's too many roasters in our support who want to be 'faithful through and through' by continuing to keep a man earning more than he's spending on the team in a job.

Brilliant.
You'll get a lot of success with your campaign calling folk roasters... I voted for Independence, took my time to decide and voted yes. I can fully understand why others didn't vote yes, and there were plenty of people with your attitude that made sure they didn't change their minds.
I can use the term roasters all I want. I aint campaigning.
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Cisnox
27 Aug 2015, 03:47 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deeprealistically do that would gain sufficient support to be effective?

Lots of us are sickened by Desmond-Lawwell's management. We have reasoned, balanced fears for the ability of the club to live up to it's stature and the legacy of it's history. We doubt if the will exists at the highest level to at least try to drive Celtic on to be the best football club it can be, because their priority is running a stable, profitable business that handsomely rewards it executives.

I don't doubt for a minute Desmond and Lawwell & co are Celtic supporters at heart and love to see the team win, but while that's all we supporters care about, they have an additional agenda that goes beyond their responsibility to running things properly. Problem is they know how we tick; they understand our loyalty to our club and they know how to exploit it. They know mass fan revolt won't happen again as it did to oust the old regime, not least of all because we football supporters have become seduced by the gimmickry of modern football; that SKY and BT have sedated us to the point we're too complacent and just too lazy to get off our arses. And, most of all, they know that many Celtic fans are too easily distracted to stand their ground. The huns will be promoted next year and that will suffice for many who are pissed off, as sickening and exasperating a thing as that is to admit.

As we all know, the only way to get through to such people is to hit them financially. They absolutely hate negative publicity when it has the potential to annoy investors and advertisers, but most of all they fear loss of revenue. We're all season-ticketed up now - not that we would refuse to sign up en masse
You'll get a lot of success with your campaign calling folk roasters... I voted for Independence, took my time to decide and voted yes. I can fully understand why others didn't vote yes, and there were plenty of people with your attitude that made sure they didn't change their minds.
I can use the term roasters all I want. I aint campaigning.
Makes you come across a a bit of a pumpkin, right enough :thumbsup:
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Cisnox
27 Aug 2015, 03:47 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deeprealistically do that would gain sufficient support to be effective?

Lots of us are sickened by Desmond-Lawwell's management. We have reasoned, balanced fears for the ability of the club to live up to it's stature and the legacy of it's history. We doubt if the will exists at the highest level to at least try to drive Celtic on to be the best football club it can be, because their priority is running a stable, profitable business that handsomely rewards it executives.

I don't doubt for a minute Desmond and Lawwell & co are Celtic supporters at heart and love to see the team win, but while that's all we supporters care about, they have an additional agenda that goes beyond their responsibility to running things properly. Problem is they know how we tick; they understand our loyalty to our club and they know how to exploit it. They know mass fan revolt won't happen again as it did to oust the old regime, not least of all because we football supporters have become seduced by the gimmickry of modern football; that SKY and BT have sedated us to the point we're too complacent and just too lazy to get off our arses. And, most of all, they know that many Celtic fans are too easily distracted to stand their ground. The huns will be promoted next year and that will suffice for many who are pissed off, as sickening and exasperating a thing as that is to admit.

As we all know, the only way to get through to such people is to hit them financially. They absolutely hate negative publicity when it has the potential to annoy investors and advertisers, but most of all they fear loss of revenue. We're all season-ticketed up now - not that we would refuse to sign up en masse
aye the roasters are the ones turning out to support the team and actually supporting the club financially :ffs:
Support the club financially? :lol:

Aye nae bother, I'll spend the little disposable income I have ensuring the guy catastrophically mismanaging the club earns his £1.5 million a year.

Obviously you weren't around in the early 90s. Or maybe you were and you were one of the ones turning up at the games every week :ffs:
you cant possibly be comparing the 90s to the current situation at the club.

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I still don't get the rush to renew season books every season, supporters should hang off to see if we spend first and then qualify for the CL. There's no way I'd be a supporter based in Ireland or a Scottish Island or remote corner and forking out for a book when most home games may well be on a Sunday.

Furthermore, is there really a need to buy one anyway- especially when the ground is far bigger than the average support it holds? It was different during the MON years, but we're not going back there anytime soon. So, the best bet is not to own a ST and pick you 10-15 or 20 games a season based on their attractiveness. The whole ST campaign is rigged towards the company and not the 'customer'.
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27 Aug 2015, 03:50 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deeprealistically do that would gain sufficient support to be effective?

Lots of us are sickened by Desmond-Lawwell's management. We have reasoned, balanced fears for the ability of the club to live up to it's stature and the legacy of it's history. We doubt if the will exists at the highest level to at least try to drive Celtic on to be the best football club it can be, because their priority is running a stable, profitable business that handsomely rewards it executives.

I don't doubt for a minute Desmond and Lawwell & co are Celtic supporters at heart and love to see the team win, but while that's all we supporters care about, they have an additional agenda that goes beyond their responsibility to running things properly. Problem is they know how we tick; they understand our loyalty to our club and they know how to exploit it. They know mass fan revolt won't happen again as it did to oust the old regime, not least of all because we football supporters have become seduced by the gimmickry of modern football; that SKY and BT have sedated us to the point we're too complacent and just too lazy to get off our arses. And, most of all, they know that many Celtic fans are too easily distracted to stand their ground. The huns will be promoted next year and that will suffice for many who are pissed off, as sickening and exasperating a thing as that is to admit.

As we all know, the only way to get through to such people is to hit them financially. They absolutely hate negative publicity when it has the potential to annoy investors and advertisers, but most of all they fear loss of revenue. We're all season-ticketed up now - not that we would refuse to sign up en masse
Support the club financially? :lol:

Aye nae bother, I'll spend the little disposable income I have ensuring the guy catastrophically mismanaging the club earns his £1.5 million a year.

Obviously you weren't around in the early 90s. Or maybe you were and you were one of the ones turning up at the games every week :ffs:
you cant possibly be comparing the 90s to the current situation at the club.

What, a board mismanaging a club into mediocrity whilst pocketing from it?
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27 Aug 2015, 03:59 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deeprealistically do that would gain sufficient support to be effective?

Lots of us are sickened by Desmond-Lawwell's management. We have reasoned, balanced fears for the ability of the club to live up to it's stature and the legacy of it's history. We doubt if the will exists at the highest level to at least try to drive Celtic on to be the best football club it can be, because their priority is running a stable, profitable business that handsomely rewards it executives.

I don't doubt for a minute Desmond and Lawwell & co are Celtic supporters at heart and love to see the team win, but while that's all we supporters care about, they have an additional agenda that goes beyond their responsibility to running things properly. Problem is they know how we tick; they understand our loyalty to our club and they know how to exploit it. They know mass fan revolt won't happen again as it did to oust the old regime, not least of all because we football supporters have become seduced by the gimmickry of modern football; that SKY and BT have sedated us to the point we're too complacent and just too lazy to get off our arses. And, most of all, they know that many Celtic fans are too easily distracted to stand their ground. The huns will be promoted next year and that will suffice for many who are pissed off, as sickening and exasperating a thing as that is to admit.

As we all know, the only way to get through to such people is to hit them financially. They absolutely hate negative publicity when it has the potential to annoy investors and advertisers, but most of all they fear loss of revenue. We're all season-ticketed up now - not that we would refuse to sign up en masse
I can use the term roasters all I want. I aint campaigning.
Makes you come across a a bit of a pumpkin, right enough :thumbsup:
What a coincidence that you come across as a pumpkin too! :thumbsup:

Hope you're not campaigning either.
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What a effing moon unit
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Boycotts? :lol:
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Boycotts? :lol:
Happy with Lawwell at the club then aye?

Otherwise how would you suggest getting him removed?
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We have to be realistic, what can we really achieve with the current structure, who can we really attract to the club.

The last really great Celtic team in my eyes was the 2004/05 team under MON, that team with the right investment could have went on to great things and challenged further in Europe but the board decided rightly or wrongly to take us in a different direction, MON repeatedly said that season that we should "prepare for life in the slow-lane" and he was right.

Between 2000 and 2005 we build a fantastic team and had one of the most wanted managers in Britain, it's not crazy to say that we could have build a dynasty if more ambition was shown after this period. that team needed rebuilding but since then we have become a selling club and we have had to rebuild constantly and struggled we have had the odd result in Europe but we have lost the fear factor we once had and have went back to a team struggling to even qualify like the 90's.

Back then you felt as if the team had a purpose and it could realistically compete now I just feel as if we are lost, constantly selling players and replacing them with youngsters from england and loan signings, there's no direction in Lawwels policy.

Since then led by Lawwell the structure has changed completely, MON is the last manager we had who ran the club from top to bottom and had a say in everything similar to a Ferguson or Wenger since then managers have had to deal with Lawwell and the likes of John Park making decisions and at times the managers have become yes men

I've got to the stage where I've accepted that the board will never meet the ambition of us supporters you can blame that on the league we are in or blame it on them for not pushing the boat out slightly more.

The two greatest Celtic teams in recent history where left to fall apart and the success was not built on

the lisbon lions broke up and the next generation where sold off
the seville team after reaching a European final the only signing the next season was Michael Gray on loan and Henrik Larsson was never replaced


Financially we need to be sensible yes but surely to god given the history and size of the club we need to show a bit of ambition, we never seem to learn from past failures
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