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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,864 Views)
Bobby Peru
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idyllwild
27 Aug 2015, 10:30 AM
henrikisgod
27 Aug 2015, 10:26 AM
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27 Aug 2015, 10:00 AM
They did have enough quality to get past malmo,the board did spend enough to give us a tilt at the champions league. As others have said we did not invest wisely enough and combined with poor performances it has prevented us qualifying. The blame for that does not lie with the board,it lies with the management and whoever is signing the players.
Sorry but I don't agree with this

The board didn't sanction the signing of players to make our team better, they followed their usual strategy of signing (mostly) cheap players that they hoped we could turn around for a profit and keep us at pretty much the same level as we have been for the last few years
This is on top of them letting what was a great squad a few years back dwindle in quality when what they should have been doing was at the very least maintaining the standard of the team to give us half a chance at CL qualification
There was no need to spend crazy money to do this either but in their infinite wisdom they decided we only needed to be slightly better than the rest in the SPL and crossed their fingers that we would get lucky in Europe
They're using the big money flying about down south as an excuse for going after "prospects" as "it's the market we're in now"
Our strategy is quite clear
The board are responsible for many many things which are wrong with the club. However, the manager inherited a squad which had played in the group stages in the CL. From that he lost Forster and was handed Gordon. He also lost Samaras. New signings notwithstanding, we had and have a squad who are capable of qualifying for the CL. It's not the board's fault that the team failed.
To be fair we had also lost Ledley and Hooper from our previous CL squad, both were vital players for NL and neither have been adequately replaced.
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ChiliPepper
27 Aug 2015, 09:36 AM
This is all very well but I bet the fans will do eff all about it.
I didn't renew my SB this season.

That's a start, I suppose.
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Part of the problem with our "strategy" is that we never sign experienced players on what the board see as the wrong side of 30 in the mould of Rosenborg, an experienced head who has done it at the top level.

We don't do this because we have become obsessed with resale value.

There needs to be a happy medium, no problem in looking to develop players but having a few older heads with experience wouldn't go a miss.

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Dannybhoy95
27 Aug 2015, 11:29 AM
ChiliPepper
27 Aug 2015, 09:36 AM
This is all very well but I bet the fans will do eff all about it.
I didn't renew my SB this season.

That's a start, I suppose.
Not that I'm trying to trample your defiance or anything... but that wont do much. They expect STs to go down. They'll be budgeting for it.

I'm sure a lot of people have done the same as you, but they wont care at all until something/someone actually puts the shampooers up them.
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Bobby Peru
27 Aug 2015, 11:29 AM
idyllwild
27 Aug 2015, 10:30 AM
henrikisgod
27 Aug 2015, 10:26 AM

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The board are responsible for many many things which are wrong with the club. However, the manager inherited a squad which had played in the group stages in the CL. From that he lost Forster and was handed Gordon. He also lost Samaras. New signings notwithstanding, we had and have a squad who are capable of qualifying for the CL. It's not the board's fault that the team failed.
To be fair we had also lost Ledley and Hooper from our previous CL squad, both were vital players for NL and neither have been adequately replaced.
When was the last time we adequately replaced anyone from the 1st team? I wouldn't count Gordon as he was a massive risk that has, thankfully, worked out.
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Dannybhoy95
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ChiliPepper
27 Aug 2015, 11:32 AM
Not that I'm trying to trample your defiance or anything... but that wont do much. They expect STs to go down. They'll be budgeting for it.

I'm sure a lot of people have done the same as you, but they wont care at all until something/someone actually puts the shampooers up them.
Believe me, I absolutely understand Lawwell really won't give a eff that he's lost £400+ from myself. I know I'm pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things. :lol:

I genuinely have no idea what else to do, though.

Sad thing is there'll be a spike in ST holders next season as the ever irrelevant bastards from the West will be joining us in Scotland's Premier League and all will be rosy in the garden again.
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27 Aug 2015, 11:25 AM
Theyre doing a helluva job of ruining good football teams we have by selling the best players on and then not using the money wisely to strengthen. Expect Peter to have his state of the nation address soon and all be rosy again
Couple of quips about Rangers should do the trick.
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Sad thing is, Lawwell will be desperate to draw huns in the league cup today. This is fundamentally where he has lost touch with majority of supporters.

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David Hay has been out the game at this level for nearly 2 decades for eff sake. Gies peace.

The whole scouting system has been a farce, and the fact that its been allowed to continue seemingly without change (other than the addition and then departure of the ex Dundee Utd manager, whatever the eff he's called) is yet another issue that has been a catastrophe under Lawwell's management. We're now £30 million down from failing to invest correctly in the team across 3 attempts at Champions League qualification.

Yet this effin' pleb will probably pick up more money this season than the club will actually spend on player additions, which is completely effing mental.

To think people on here actually had a go at me last season because I said I was no longer going to spend money on the club or attend games whilst this guy was in charge. The only way we're getting this guy out is by people waking up and smelling the coffee and doing the same.

Faithful through and through? Aye, financially support and keep this guy in a job whilst we continue our journey into farcical mediocrity. We should be LIGHT YEARS ahead of where we are right now.

Stop spending money and supporting this guy.
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One of the big issues surrounding signing real quality players is the fact that quality players generally don't want to play in the pishing rain against Kilmarnock and Hamilton Accies etc.


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27 Aug 2015, 12:00 PM
One of the big issues surrounding signing real quality players is the fact that quality players generally don't want to play in the pishing rain against Kilmarnock and Hamilton Accies etc.


Not totally disagreeing with your point, but we did get Sutton, Hartson, Thompson, Lambert, Petrov and Nakamura to do it. Are there any objective reasons we shouldn't be able to do the same now, apart from money?

And what if those players played in a squad that was so strong that they could rely on Champions League football in addition to playing Kilmarnock and Hamilton?
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Was it not about this time last year Lawwell was interviewed by Celtic TV about the strategy of the club, and interview he then distributed to the media?
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If the Green Brigade really were 'ultra' they could be a bit vocal about Lawwell, a TIFO of a money mad pig or something
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It does rain in other countries, even on a Wednesday night.

Pay them enough money and they'll come.
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27 Aug 2015, 12:19 PM
If the Green Brigade really were 'ultra' they could be a bit vocal about Lawwell, a TIFO of a money mad pig or something
This. They correctly were visibly and vocally opposed to John Reid who was nothing more than a figurehead.
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2 days after and PL is still here?

F*ck off already.
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tinsoldier
27 Aug 2015, 12:21 PM
It does rain in other countries, even on a Wednesday night.

Pay them enough money and they'll come.
The trouble now mate is some of them won't even if a deal has been agreed.

Libor Kozak (who? I hear you ask) is the latest non-entity to turn us down citing his reason as "wanting to play at a higher level" He'd rather sit on a bench at the likes of Watford in the EPL or join the might of a Bristol City in the English Championship than come here and he is not alone. We have seen numerous deals in the past few years fail to materialise despite apparently agreeing deals & terms. Lawwell has since decided on a clear policy of no longer even trying to get in our top targets, he will spend the absolute minimum on punts & projects. I would opinion that anyone we bring in is probably no 4 or 5 names down the list or opposed to being either the top target.

The reptiles who run the game up here (Lawwell firmly included) along with the hun-loving media have done nothing but trash our game since the corrupt huns died in 2012. every opportunity the got & still get they run the game down. It has been a total fecking disgrace. All to serve the needs of one now defunct club.

I do not underestimate the appeal & allure that playing in a Celtic/huns game had in persuading players to join us. It was a factor, we cannot ignore that. sure we don't pay anything close to top dollar in wages (despite overpaying some of the dross we have on our books based on their non-existent ability) but we can match English Championship clubs in most cases. That big donkey Murphy earned more here than he does at Ipswich.

Our failure to make any inroads into Champions League qualification in recent years is also a large factor - not helped of course by the virus that is Lawwell making up for his own failings to get a decent quality of player in, in the right fecking positions, by selling anything on our books that looks remotely promising and in turn ripping the guts and the ambition out of our team year on year.

We pay a lot more than Malmo do on wages yet they made us look like fecking schoolboys on Tuesday night.

It's as depressing as feck :(
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CaltonBhoy1967
27 Aug 2015, 11:20 AM
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27 Aug 2015, 11:12 AM
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27 Aug 2015, 09:49 AM

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I'm itching to tip a few motors outside the main stand. :arrr:
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Feck aye! :rocker: :boxer: :arrr:


But what could we realistically do that would gain sufficient support to be effective? Lots of us are sickened by Desmond-Lawwell's management, we have reasoned, balanced fears for the ability of the club to live up to it's stature and the legacy of it's history. We doubt there is the will to at least try to drive Celtic on to be the best football club it can be, because their priority is running a stable, profitable business that handsomely rewards it executives.

I don't doubt for a minute Desmond and Lawwell & co are Celtic supporters at heart and love to see the team win, but while that's all we supporters care about, they have an additional agenda that goes beyond heir responsibility to running things properly. They know how we tick; they understand our loyalty to our club and they know how to exploit that. They know mass fan revolt won't happen again as it did to oust the old regime, not least of all because we football supporters have become seduced by the gimmickry of modern football; that SKY and BT have sedated us to the point we're too complacent and just too lazy to get off our arses. And, most of all, they know that many Celtic fans are too easily distracted to stand their ground. The huns will be promoted next year and that will suffice for many who are pissed off, as sickening and exasperating a thing as that is to admit.


As we all know, the only way to get through to such people is to hit them financially. We're all season ticketed up now - not that we would refuse to sign up en masse any way: I tried that last year then shat it 1 hour after deadline and lost my usual seat - but a massive statement would be to ignore the Europa League. Not individuals acting alone, but in a concerted show of defiance. For example, every season ticket holder could return the inevitable email we will receive plugging the 3 match package, accompanied by a template statement composed on this site, or Huddleboard etc, explain why we won't be signing up? Its not just the financial loss that would hit them, but the embarrassment of the masses of empty seats, perhaps adorned with guerrilla-style banners spelling it out that this is a protest and not simply apathy? Thing is, for every 1 man or woman ready to go through with it, there's more who wouldn't, and I'm far from sure I could go through with it!


Perhaps too, our own ultra fellows might return to their occasional-yet-effective visual displays highlighting our own Board's failure? They like to portray themselves as rebels: well bhoys, how about not concerning yourselves with, say, Dinamo Zagreb's chairman and setting your sights closer to home? If you're gonnae get into trouble, why not do it fighting Celtic's battles?


We know what we have to do. Whether we can pull it of it another matter all together.
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Peter Lawwell and the board are doing the job that they are qualified to do, that is run a business. I don't have any issue with the level of expenditure they oversee - I'd be more worried if we overspent. We already outspend the teams that regularly beat us in Europe. I fail to see how the answer is spend more if we're not spending what we already do wisely. Is it Ronny's fault then ? Well I don't think he's entirely in control of recruiting and he certainly doesn't decide how much is spent.

Looks to me that we're missing a role in the club to oversee the footballing strategy. I agree that we don't really have one, but that has largely applied since Fergus took over anyway. Lawwell appears to make footballing decisions dictated by the business, specifically player sales. But we would incur losses without some of these, and our squad has been too big for too long anyway. But he's doing a job that doesn't seem to be filled at the moment, particularly since a manager will not volunteer to discard players to save money (or rather not to spend money on nothing). My only real gripe with PL is that he is paid well over the odds, but that is not a huge dent in the club's finances.

We need a director of football, i.e. an ex-footballer and coach who can make the required footballing calls, but work within the financial constraints. Not many British clubs have made this leap, because a lot of managers would not be happy working with one. However, Ronny most certainly would. It's actually a perfect role for someone like Gordon Strachan. If we don't qualify for the Euros, maybe we could give him a call.
W/r/t your last paragraph - a lot of british clubs use that model now. Man City, tottenham, southampton, west brom, liverpool (they call it a 'committee' but it's practically the same thing') all do off the top of my head. Sure there's probably many more (maybe bournemouth? watford..etc). So it's not very rare. And I think Strachan would be an awful, awful fit for that role to be entirely honest.


I do agree with your 1st 2 paragraphs though. It seems like Lawwell has got it in his head he can spot players to some degree (that's just my opinion from quotes/comments from when we didn't sign players like doumbia so i could certainly be wrong here) which is concerning imo.
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