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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,867 Views)
Corky Buczek
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26 Aug 2015, 02:54 PM
Corky Buczek
26 Aug 2015, 02:42 PM
tinsoldier
26 Aug 2015, 02:40 PM
I wish folk would stop comparing a relatively modest spend to what the huns did in the 90's.

Murray was a megalomaniac obsessed with matching Celtic's European Cup win.
This

We can afford to go out and buy a better left back than we currently have. We could have afforded Hooper's wages two years ago. Answers on a postcard as to why PL chooses not to.
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tinsoldier
26 Aug 2015, 03:07 PM
Mackin
26 Aug 2015, 03:05 PM
tinsoldier
26 Aug 2015, 03:04 PM

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Bitton hasnt played in the CL (other than that 5 minutes where he got sent off) and come January will have 18 months left on his contract. We'll be lucky to get £5m now.
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Nobody then. Unless we unearth a gem over the next week or so :o
We could probably get £5m for Gordon. I genuinely wouldnt be surprised if we tried.
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green_equals_silver
26 Aug 2015, 02:55 PM
Biggest issue we face is that we have a squad of underachievers on bloated wages, I've seen figures on this board (Mulgrew 16k p/w, Scepovic 17k p/w) and their accuracy may or may not be genuine but its frightening to think of what people like Stokes, Boerigter etc take out this club on a weekly/monthly/annual basis and give the team, the club, the 'business' and the fans absolutely zero in return.

Contracts need to be reassessed, weekly wages reflecting the Scottish game and offer more money in terms of bonuses… then maybe these half wits will turn up for midweek Champions League qualifiers.
I've said before that we pay our players too much being in the SPFL. Would rather we paid higher bonuses depending on what European tournament we qualify for. Pay our players no more then £10k a week but offer them incentive bonuses.
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CELTBHOY1988
26 Aug 2015, 03:20 PM
green_equals_silver
26 Aug 2015, 02:55 PM
Biggest issue we face is that we have a squad of underachievers on bloated wages, I've seen figures on this board (Mulgrew 16k p/w, Scepovic 17k p/w) and their accuracy may or may not be genuine but its frightening to think of what people like Stokes, Boerigter etc take out this club on a weekly/monthly/annual basis and give the team, the club, the 'business' and the fans absolutely zero in return.

Contracts need to be reassessed, weekly wages reflecting the Scottish game and offer more money in terms of bonuses… then maybe these half wits will turn up for midweek Champions League qualifiers.
I've said before that we pay our players too much being in the SPFL. Would rather we paid higher bonuses depending on what European tournament we qualify for. Pay our players no more then £10k a week but offer them incentive bonuses.
We have an incentivized payment structure in place already. We should be doing the exact opposite of what you suggest imo - make room in the wabebill for two or three players of real quality.
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Mulgrew, Commons, Scepovic, Boerrigter and Stokes. Based on very little I'd say that's about £60k-£70k p.w or between £3m-£3.5m a year.

You could see that when it started to click last season these players would be getting very little game time. It should have been a priority to shift them.

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murphio
26 Aug 2015, 03:02 PM
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26 Aug 2015, 02:52 PM
I'm not defending the Chief Executive as he's a roaster AFAIC but are we sitting on a large profit?
We are profitable most years - last year we posted a pre tax profit of 11m. It's not a great deal, it might buy us Callum Chambers. I don't think anyone should doubt that the club spends everything it earns - we have been paying debt down and investing in the stadium and the surrounding area. The issue for him is not what we spend but how we spend it. We have been very wasteful in trying to find players and the money we have earned (will earn) from Forster, Wanyama and van Dijk has been wasted on Bangura, Balde, Pukki, Scepovic, Boerigter and others. Our approach appears to be if we throw enough mud at the wall some will stick. One thing's for sure - we need to come up with something different because this time next year there will be no one to sell.
I agree with this murphio. I think the bigger questions are 'how much £££ are we spending' but 'how are we spending it.'

Ultimately the overall process is what needs to be looked at.

Mentioning the fee we bought a player for and then eventually what amount we sold him is really superficial analysis. We should also be thinking about who he was replaced by, timing and (most importantly) how it affects our squad and what we accomplished that season.
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murphio
26 Aug 2015, 03:22 PM
CELTBHOY1988
26 Aug 2015, 03:20 PM
green_equals_silver
26 Aug 2015, 02:55 PM
Biggest issue we face is that we have a squad of underachievers on bloated wages, I've seen figures on this board (Mulgrew 16k p/w, Scepovic 17k p/w) and their accuracy may or may not be genuine but its frightening to think of what people like Stokes, Boerigter etc take out this club on a weekly/monthly/annual basis and give the team, the club, the 'business' and the fans absolutely zero in return.

Contracts need to be reassessed, weekly wages reflecting the Scottish game and offer more money in terms of bonuses… then maybe these half wits will turn up for midweek Champions League qualifiers.
I've said before that we pay our players too much being in the SPFL. Would rather we paid higher bonuses depending on what European tournament we qualify for. Pay our players no more then £10k a week but offer them incentive bonuses.
We have an incentivized payment structure in place already. We should be doing the exact opposite of what you suggest imo - make room in the wabebill for two or three players of real quality.
I agree with that, there should be exceptions if they are of genuine quality - but the only way we can make room for them is if we reduce the general wage of our average player
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Sjb141
26 Aug 2015, 03:25 PM
murphio
26 Aug 2015, 03:02 PM
Smiley
26 Aug 2015, 02:52 PM
I'm not defending the Chief Executive as he's a roaster AFAIC but are we sitting on a large profit?
We are profitable most years - last year we posted a pre tax profit of 11m. It's not a great deal, it might buy us Callum Chambers. I don't think anyone should doubt that the club spends everything it earns - we have been paying debt down and investing in the stadium and the surrounding area. The issue for him is not what we spend but how we spend it. We have been very wasteful in trying to find players and the money we have earned (will earn) from Forster, Wanyama and van Dijk has been wasted on Bangura, Balde, Pukki, Scepovic, Boerigter and others. Our approach appears to be if we throw enough mud at the wall some will stick. One thing's for sure - we need to come up with something different because this time next year there will be no one to sell.
I agree with this murphio. I think the bigger questions are 'how much £££ are we spending' but 'how are we spending it.'

Ultimately the overall process is what needs to be looked at.

Mentioning the fee we bought a player for and then eventually what amount we sold him is really superficial analysis. We should also be thinking about who he was replaced by, timing and (most importantly) how it affects our squad and what we accomplished that season.
I agree with this, better scouting and purchasing to achieve better quality signings is what we should strife for, a scattergun approach to spend, spend, spend is not something we can countenance, if that happens, I'd be first to say sack the board, again !!
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ronan cfc
26 Aug 2015, 03:24 PM
Mulgrew, Commons, Scepovic, Boerrigter and Stokes. Based on very little I'd say that's about £60k-£70k p.w or between £3m-£3.5m a year.

You could see that when it started to click last season these players would be getting very little game time. It should have been a priority to shift them.

Devil's advocate - some of those guys were good purchases (Commons and Stokes imo) and are them not fitting into the side is the natural problem when you change managers and philosophies. And it's not always easy to sell players who may not necessarily want to go (or not be much interest in based on their wage demands). So there will always be a few players like this when you get a new manager.

However, in general i think that you are correct.
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As a result of having a policy wherein every single player is for sale if the price is right we never have a bed rock of two or three real quality players and every time we do build a successful team they're broken up within a few months. Ripping it up and starting again makes things almost impossible for any manager we bring in. It took Lennon two/three seasons to put together a side that could do some real damage on the European stage yet within just twelve months his three key players from that run were gone.

I understand the need for buying low and selling high but there has to be a bit of balance and right now we don't have any. Even if Deila does build a successful side for Europe how long will they all be together before we hit the reset button again? It's too much to ask of the manager and puts anyone off staying with us long term. Obviously, the club are in a terrible financial position when it comes to television but we need to reassess this. As things stand the board are failing the supporters.
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Sjb141
26 Aug 2015, 03:33 PM
ronan cfc
26 Aug 2015, 03:24 PM
Mulgrew, Commons, Scepovic, Boerrigter and Stokes. Based on very little I'd say that's about £60k-£70k p.w or between £3m-£3.5m a year.

You could see that when it started to click last season these players would be getting very little game time. It should have been a priority to shift them.

Devil's advocate - some of those guys were good purchases (Commons and Stokes imo) and are them not fitting into the side is the natural problem when you change managers and philosophies. And it's not always easy to sell players who may not necessarily want to go (or not be much interest in based on their wage demands). So there will always be a few players like this when you get a new manager.

However, in general i think that you are correct.
We gave Commons a new contract ffs. And Mulgrew is angling for one too.

Lawwell should have been working his arse off to shift the other three. Why the eff are they still here?
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26 Aug 2015, 03:33 PM
As a result of having a policy wherein every single player is for sale if the price is right we never have a bed rock of two or three real quality players and every time we do build a successful team they're broken up within a few months. Ripping it up and starting again makes things almost impossible for any manager we bring in. It took Lennon two/three seasons to put together a side that could do some real damage on the European stage yet within just twelve months his three key players from that run were gone.

I understand the need for buying low and selling high but there has to be a bit of balance and right now we don't have any. Even if Deila does build a successful side for Europe how long will they all be together before we hit the reset button again? It's too much to ask of the manager and puts anyone off staying with us long term. Obviously, the club are in a terrible financial position when it comes to television but we need to reassess this. As things stand the board are failing the supporters.
As soon as players start to be quoted as being worth £8-10m and mid to lower level EPL clubs start sniffing around we've no chance of keeping them. The majority of them would rather go south, double their wages and play in a better league than stay here and play against absolute dross week in week out.
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blanco
26 Aug 2015, 05:18 PM
tinytim81
26 Aug 2015, 03:33 PM
As a result of having a policy wherein every single player is for sale if the price is right we never have a bed rock of two or three real quality players and every time we do build a successful team they're broken up within a few months. Ripping it up and starting again makes things almost impossible for any manager we bring in. It took Lennon two/three seasons to put together a side that could do some real damage on the European stage yet within just twelve months his three key players from that run were gone.

I understand the need for buying low and selling high but there has to be a bit of balance and right now we don't have any. Even if Deila does build a successful side for Europe how long will they all be together before we hit the reset button again? It's too much to ask of the manager and puts anyone off staying with us long term. Obviously, the club are in a terrible financial position when it comes to television but we need to reassess this. As things stand the board are failing the supporters.
As soon as players start to be quoted as being worth £8-10m and mid to lower level EPL clubs start sniffing around we've no chance of keeping them. The majority of them would rather go south, double their wages and play in a better league than stay here and play against absolute dross week in week out.
It should also be remembered that players and agents see Celtic as a stepping stone to the EPL. That is why the likes of van Dijk and Wanyama agreed to come to the club in the first place.
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League could be a lot tighter this season, maybe that's the boards way of bringing in the crowds.
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26 Aug 2015, 05:23 PM
League could be a lot tighter this season, maybe that's the boards way of bringing in the crowds.
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No anti-Board posts since 5.24pm?

I find that heard to believe. Up with that will not put!

Lawwell must go.

Seriously....
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A serious question, when will Lawwell leave? There comes a point in every business where it needs freshened up but we all know he'll be clinging onto his bonus for as long as possible.
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ssmith81
26 Aug 2015, 10:28 PM
A serious question, when will Lawwell leave? There comes a point in every business where it needs freshened up but we all know he'll be clinging onto his bonus for as long as possible.
Chances of that are even less with Eric Riley departing later this year.

Plus the books will get a sudden big credit.

And it's down to DD.
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26 Aug 2015, 10:33 PM
ssmith81
26 Aug 2015, 10:28 PM
A serious question, when will Lawwell leave? There comes a point in every business where it needs freshened up but we all know he'll be clinging onto his bonus for as long as possible.
Chances of that are even less with Eric Riley departing later this year.

Plus the books will get a sudden big credit.

And it's down to DD.
I find it petrifying to think of him here for the next 10 years. He's unlikely to get bored given his ridiculous wage.
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