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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,871 Views)
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harryhoodshatrick
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26 Aug 2015, 11:34 AM
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It's a catch 22.We sell our best players and spend a fraction to replace them which means we qualify for the CL less and less and our crowds for league game get lower and lower so the board decide we've got to make more cuts instead of looking at our policy of downsizing.Things will only get worse.
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sevilliano
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26 Aug 2015, 11:38 AM
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- Ned Rise
- 26 Aug 2015, 10:06 AM
The policy doesn't work. We are a club of serial gamblers. We gambled against Karagandy and a last minute goal saw us through. But for the width of our crossbar we'd have been out.
So the next year we gamble again on an unproven manager. This time it's even worse, because when we get utterly ripped to shreds, we land a get out of jail free card. Inexplicably, the team isn't strengthened and we go out again.
We then scramble on transfer deadline day getting in strikers because the ones we have evidently aren't good enough. So, where are those strikers today. One was a loan and one is nowhere to be seen. We have however 'bolstered' our frontline with yet another signing from Dundee Utd. If anyone looked at Dundee Utd last season and thought that taking a third of their team would be way forward, they'd have been in a minority of four or five people. Yet here we are. Last night, two were benched and one was subbed.
We have a strategy of buying Scottish players. Nothing wrong with that except Scotland aren't very good. Of the six who started last night, one of them is a regular for Scotland and one used to be before he was injured.
Celtic made over £20M in the Champions League post Karagandy. Was it wisely invested? Is the team any better today than it was then?
Not qualifying for the CL has cost Celtic at least £40M this year and last. This means we have to sell our players and replace them with those of a lower standard. This means more gambles. More Pukkis, Baldes, Boerrigters, Ciftcis, Boyatas, more loan deals of players who haven't ever played competitive games of football or who have been out with career threatening injuries.
We sold Forster for £10M and got Gordon. It was a gamble that paid off. Had it been like the majority of those other gambles, a failure, we'd have seen Zaluska in goals for us last year. Year on year, the quality is drained, yet year on year the illusion is sold that the team is getting better and the club is moving forward. It's like the optical illusion of the wheels on a car seemingly spinning backwards while the car is moving forwards. In our case, the wheels appear to be spinning forward.
So the managers, Lennon and Deila, have both been sold short. There's no question of that. However, last night showed once again that this isn't the only problem at the club. We had control of the game at Celtic Park and failed to close out a reasonably comfortable lead. That said, Malmo would have got the result last night whether they needed one goal, or two, and maybe even three. Celtic under Deila are mentally weak. We went into the game last night in control of the situation. We were winning before the ball was kicked. Even at half time we only needed one goal, but by then it was evident the gig was up. Against Inverness, we also had a ridiculously bad decision go against us, but we were winning the game when we came out in the second half, 11 v 11 and then proceed to baws it up. We were in control of the tie against Maribor, having taken the lead over there and, in the home game, still in a winning position with 20 minutes to go. As in many cases, our substitutions were disastrous and handed the tie to them.
I like Ronny. He's a likeable guy and I like the ideal of a Celtic side playing fast, attacking, pressing football. But a goal in the last minute is as good as a goal in the first minute. If we're blowing out our arses after an hour, as we were last week, then there is little point in playing a game at an intensity that our players can't last the full 90 minutes at. Inverness finished stronger than us (just because we went down to 10 men doesn't mean we should fold like a cheap deckchair) and Malmo played at an intensity for 90 minutes last night that we simply aren't capable of doing ourselves.
Maybe we thought we'd simply beat them because they were Swedish and we usually beat Swedish teams. It wouldn't be surprising as it's the kind of complacency that haunts Celtic. In the end, they wanted it more. They dug in at Celtic Park and for an hour they looked the more able and likely side. If the manager can't get his team to play as if they want it then we've got a problem. His team selection seemed to me like there are loud voices in the dressing room who didn't want Ambrose or Izzy picked. The manager played an untried defence in the most important game of the season. Whether he was listening to people in the dressing room, or whether he made the decision of his own accord, his bottle crashed. Subsequently the team's bottle crashed. We were unlucky with the goal last night, an appalling decision, but we have the ref to thank for not sending of any number of our players last night and so leading to further embarrassment.
I'm afraid I don't think Ronny has it. However, does he get the players he wants? Was it his choice to sell Berget (on the performance in the two legs you could say it's the kind of bruising performer that we have indeed lacked) or did Lawwell decide he wasn't cutting it and let him go? Did he want to sell Matthews, leaving him with the right back dilemma he had last night, where he ended up playing a rookie who has made one start for us?
Ultimately, if he goes, who's there to replace him? Who wants to be at a club which buys five suits from Oxfam and hopes one is wearable after a dry clean, rather than just putting the money together and buying, for want of a better phrase, a nice, sharp suit?
In the end, Celtic are not anymore in the business of building a team. They are in the business of managing expectations while selling the best players off a stuttering conveyor belt. Celtic in the last 4-5 seasons has had the makings of a top side. Yet we sell the forwards to finance the defence, leaving us with no forwards worthy of the jersey. Or we have holes in the defence that our decent forward line struggles to cover for. We've had a strong spine, from goalkeeper through central defence, midfield and up front. Regrettably, they never all played at the same time and, even more regrettably, those who have the power to make it happen have no interest in doing so.
Enjoy your £1M bonus, Peter, enjoy the Bahamas, Dermot. Send us a postcard with the next phase of the strategy on the back. great post are you NL
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26 Aug 2015, 11:39 AM
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- ronny_is_da_man
- 26 Aug 2015, 11:06 AM
Are we to believe that we can't risk a little debt to get a better quality of player? You cover that risk by CL qualification and if you have better players they are likely to be sold for more than we bought them for.
Because of the abonination of the leage we currently play in, we can definitely afford to, but it's certainly not wise to.
However, we certainly will not be going into even a little debt by ripping up and starting again at squad level.
We did it in 2010, and eventually reaped the rewards a couple of years later, we NEED to do the same thing this season and do it now.
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26 Aug 2015, 11:40 AM
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Only way to get our point across anytime soon is to hit them where it hurts, so we don't buy EL package Personally I hate this type of thing but it's beginning to feel like it's the only way we'll get those on top of Mount Olympus to look down on us mere mortals and ask why we aren't just handing our tributes over without question any more
But I fear it'll be the usual, we'll draw a decent side or 2 in the EL and we'll all open our wallets once again and I'm including myself in this
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26 Aug 2015, 11:44 AM
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- 26 Aug 2015, 11:06 AM
The warning signs were there with Karagandy. And they were certainly there with Legia and Maribor.
We have now, in three seasons and with four attempts, only qualified once (just) for the Champions League through the champions route. There is clearly a problem of strategy.
I don't think it has really been a case of lack of investment; it has been a case of poor investment (i.e. wasting lots of money on poor players). The problem is that our squad has now atrophied to a point where major investment is probably needed if we are to qualify next season. Major investment isn't going to be funded by Europa League football. You are correct i think, but i also reckon the reason for the failure is as you say poor investment and a coach who just can't/won't change things in europe which can be a much less forgiving environment than the SPFL.
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26 Aug 2015, 11:48 AM
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- Ned Rise
- 26 Aug 2015, 10:06 AM
The policy doesn't work. We are a club of serial gamblers. We gambled against Karagandy and a last minute goal saw us through. But for the width of our crossbar we'd have been out.
Enjoy your £1M bonus, Peter, enjoy the Bahamas, Dermot. Send us a postcard with the next phase of the strategy on the back. What a fantastic post (not copied in full). Sums up my feelings about were Celtic are at the moment. If the club can't be bothered, then why should the fans?
There comes a point when the downsizing, or business model has to be stopped and changed. That time is now. "Here's what you could have won Peter"- but hey you blew it by playing this risk model once (twice) too often. We had a chance to move on to another level this past four years, but we're actually behind were we were in 2012-13 season. Remarkable, if it wasn't so negligent and pointless.
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Ned Rise
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26 Aug 2015, 11:53 AM
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- sevilliano
- 26 Aug 2015, 11:38 AM
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- 26 Aug 2015, 10:06 AM
Spoiler: click to toggle The policy doesn't work. We are a club of serial gamblers. We gambled against Karagandy and a last minute goal saw us through. But for the width of our crossbar we'd have been out.
So the next year we gamble again on an unproven manager. This time it's even worse, because when we get utterly ripped to shreds, we land a get out of jail free card. Inexplicably, the team isn't strengthened and we go out again.
We then scramble on transfer deadline day getting in strikers because the ones we have evidently aren't good enough. So, where are those strikers today. One was a loan and one is nowhere to be seen. We have however 'bolstered' our frontline with yet another signing from Dundee Utd. If anyone looked at Dundee Utd last season and thought that taking a third of their team would be way forward, they'd have been in a minority of four or five people. Yet here we are. Last night, two were benched and one was subbed.
We have a strategy of buying Scottish players. Nothing wrong with that except Scotland aren't very good. Of the six who started last night, one of them is a regular for Scotland and one used to be before he was injured.
Celtic made over £20M in the Champions League post Karagandy. Was it wisely invested? Is the team any better today than it was then?
Not qualifying for the CL has cost Celtic at least £40M this year and last. This means we have to sell our players and replace them with those of a lower standard. This means more gambles. More Pukkis, Baldes, Boerrigters, Ciftcis, Boyatas, more loan deals of players who haven't ever played competitive games of football or who have been out with career threatening injuries.
We sold Forster for £10M and got Gordon. It was a gamble that paid off. Had it been like the majority of those other gambles, a failure, we'd have seen Zaluska in goals for us last year. Year on year, the quality is drained, yet year on year the illusion is sold that the team is getting better and the club is moving forward. It's like the optical illusion of the wheels on a car seemingly spinning backwards while the car is moving forwards. In our case, the wheels appear to be spinning forward.
So the managers, Lennon and Deila, have both been sold short. There's no question of that. However, last night showed once again that this isn't the only problem at the club. We had control of the game at Celtic Park and failed to close out a reasonably comfortable lead. That said, Malmo would have got the result last night whether they needed one goal, or two, and maybe even three. Celtic under Deila are mentally weak. We went into the game last night in control of the situation. We were winning before the ball was kicked. Even at half time we only needed one goal, but by then it was evident the gig was up. Against Inverness, we also had a ridiculously bad decision go against us, but we were winning the game when we came out in the second half, 11 v 11 and then proceed to baws it up. We were in control of the tie against Maribor, having taken the lead over there and, in the home game, still in a winning position with 20 minutes to go. As in many cases, our substitutions were disastrous and handed the tie to them.
I like Ronny. He's a likeable guy and I like the ideal of a Celtic side playing fast, attacking, pressing football. But a goal in the last minute is as good as a goal in the first minute. If we're blowing out our arses after an hour, as we were last week, then there is little point in playing a game at an intensity that our players can't last the full 90 minutes at. Inverness finished stronger than us (just because we went down to 10 men doesn't mean we should fold like a cheap deckchair) and Malmo played at an intensity for 90 minutes last night that we simply aren't capable of doing ourselves.
Maybe we thought we'd simply beat them because they were Swedish and we usually beat Swedish teams. It wouldn't be surprising as it's the kind of complacency that haunts Celtic. In the end, they wanted it more. They dug in at Celtic Park and for an hour they looked the more able and likely side. If the manager can't get his team to play as if they want it then we've got a problem. His team selection seemed to me like there are loud voices in the dressing room who didn't want Ambrose or Izzy picked. The manager played an untried defence in the most important game of the season. Whether he was listening to people in the dressing room, or whether he made the decision of his own accord, his bottle crashed. Subsequently the team's bottle crashed. We were unlucky with the goal last night, an appalling decision, but we have the ref to thank for not sending of any number of our players last night and so leading to further embarrassment.
I'm afraid I don't think Ronny has it. However, does he get the players he wants? Was it his choice to sell Berget (on the performance in the two legs you could say it's the kind of bruising performer that we have indeed lacked) or did Lawwell decide he wasn't cutting it and let him go? Did he want to sell Matthews, leaving him with the right back dilemma he had last night, where he ended up playing a rookie who has made one start for us?
Ultimately, if he goes, who's there to replace him? Who wants to be at a club which buys five suits from Oxfam and hopes one is wearable after a dry clean, rather than just putting the money together and buying, for want of a better phrase, a nice, sharp suit?
In the end, Celtic are not anymore in the business of building a team. They are in the business of managing expectations while selling the best players off a stuttering conveyor belt. Celtic in the last 4-5 seasons has had the makings of a top side. Yet we sell the forwards to finance the defence, leaving us with no forwards worthy of the jersey. Or we have holes in the defence that our decent forward line struggles to cover for. We've had a strong spine, from goalkeeper through central defence, midfield and up front. Regrettably, they never all played at the same time and, even more regrettably, those who have the power to make it happen have no interest in doing so.
Enjoy your £1M bonus, Peter, enjoy the Bahamas, Dermot. Send us a postcard with the next phase of the strategy on the back.
great post  are you NL Ha! No, I'm NR.
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26 Aug 2015, 12:02 PM
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I think the root of the problem goes all the way back to when the SFA (or whoever) effed up the TV deal but we haven't helped ourselves.
We have no one to challenge us domestically and, even when we slash our transfer budget, we can still attract a better player than Hearts, Aberdeen etc. Even with this current Celtic team we will win the league and possibly the cups too. I think we Celtic fans want more than domestic success. We accept we will never win the CL in its current format but we want a team capable of giving us the kind of performance we deserve. I don't think this is too much to ask for considering we have puched well above our weight in previous seasons but now seem to fail to punch our weight at all. Malmo? This mob should be getting pumped 5-0 agg!! We have fallen!!
IMO the suits that run our game need to start selling it properly and bring money into the teams. Only then will we start to improve on and off the field.
Won't hold my breath though
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26 Aug 2015, 12:02 PM
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All good points We need a change but I cant see any mechanism for this to happen.
You would have to start considering boycotts etc
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26 Aug 2015, 12:07 PM
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- 26 Aug 2015, 11:38 AM
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- 26 Aug 2015, 10:06 AM
The policy doesn't work. We are a club of serial gamblers. We gambled against Karagandy and a last minute goal saw us through. But for the width of our crossbar we'd have been out.
So the next year we gamble again on an unproven manager. This time it's even worse, because when we get utterly ripped to shreds, we land a get out of jail free card. Inexplicably, the team isn't strengthened and we go out again.
We then scramble on transfer deadline day getting in strikers because the ones we have evidently aren't good enough. So, where are those strikers today. One was a loan and one is nowhere to be seen. We have however 'bolstered' our frontline with yet another signing from Dundee Utd. If anyone looked at Dundee Utd last season and thought that taking a third of their team would be way forward, they'd have been in a minority of four or five people. Yet here we are. Last night, two were benched and one was subbed.
We have a strategy of buying Scottish players. Nothing wrong with that except Scotland aren't very good. Of the six who started last night, one of them is a regular for Scotland and one used to be before he was injured.
Celtic made over £20M in the Champions League post Karagandy. Was it wisely invested? Is the team any better today than it was then?
Not qualifying for the CL has cost Celtic at least £40M this year and last. This means we have to sell our players and replace them with those of a lower standard. This means more gambles. More Pukkis, Baldes, Boerrigters, Ciftcis, Boyatas, more loan deals of players who haven't ever played competitive games of football or who have been out with career threatening injuries.
We sold Forster for £10M and got Gordon. It was a gamble that paid off. Had it been like the majority of those other gambles, a failure, we'd have seen Zaluska in goals for us last year. Year on year, the quality is drained, yet year on year the illusion is sold that the team is getting better and the club is moving forward. It's like the optical illusion of the wheels on a car seemingly spinning backwards while the car is moving forwards. In our case, the wheels appear to be spinning forward.
So the managers, Lennon and Deila, have both been sold short. There's no question of that. However, last night showed once again that this isn't the only problem at the club. We had control of the game at Celtic Park and failed to close out a reasonably comfortable lead. That said, Malmo would have got the result last night whether they needed one goal, or two, and maybe even three. Celtic under Deila are mentally weak. We went into the game last night in control of the situation. We were winning before the ball was kicked. Even at half time we only needed one goal, but by then it was evident the gig was up. Against Inverness, we also had a ridiculously bad decision go against us, but we were winning the game when we came out in the second half, 11 v 11 and then proceed to baws it up. We were in control of the tie against Maribor, having taken the lead over there and, in the home game, still in a winning position with 20 minutes to go. As in many cases, our substitutions were disastrous and handed the tie to them.
I like Ronny. He's a likeable guy and I like the ideal of a Celtic side playing fast, attacking, pressing football. But a goal in the last minute is as good as a goal in the first minute. If we're blowing out our arses after an hour, as we were last week, then there is little point in playing a game at an intensity that our players can't last the full 90 minutes at. Inverness finished stronger than us (just because we went down to 10 men doesn't mean we should fold like a cheap deckchair) and Malmo played at an intensity for 90 minutes last night that we simply aren't capable of doing ourselves.
Maybe we thought we'd simply beat them because they were Swedish and we usually beat Swedish teams. It wouldn't be surprising as it's the kind of complacency that haunts Celtic. In the end, they wanted it more. They dug in at Celtic Park and for an hour they looked the more able and likely side. If the manager can't get his team to play as if they want it then we've got a problem. His team selection seemed to me like there are loud voices in the dressing room who didn't want Ambrose or Izzy picked. The manager played an untried defence in the most important game of the season. Whether he was listening to people in the dressing room, or whether he made the decision of his own accord, his bottle crashed. Subsequently the team's bottle crashed. We were unlucky with the goal last night, an appalling decision, but we have the ref to thank for not sending of any number of our players last night and so leading to further embarrassment.
I'm afraid I don't think Ronny has it. However, does he get the players he wants? Was it his choice to sell Berget (on the performance in the two legs you could say it's the kind of bruising performer that we have indeed lacked) or did Lawwell decide he wasn't cutting it and let him go? Did he want to sell Matthews, leaving him with the right back dilemma he had last night, where he ended up playing a rookie who has made one start for us?
Ultimately, if he goes, who's there to replace him? Who wants to be at a club which buys five suits from Oxfam and hopes one is wearable after a dry clean, rather than just putting the money together and buying, for want of a better phrase, a nice, sharp suit?
In the end, Celtic are not anymore in the business of building a team. They are in the business of managing expectations while selling the best players off a stuttering conveyor belt. Celtic in the last 4-5 seasons has had the makings of a top side. Yet we sell the forwards to finance the defence, leaving us with no forwards worthy of the jersey. Or we have holes in the defence that our decent forward line struggles to cover for. We've had a strong spine, from goalkeeper through central defence, midfield and up front. Regrettably, they never all played at the same time and, even more regrettably, those who have the power to make it happen have no interest in doing so.
Enjoy your £1M bonus, Peter, enjoy the Bahamas, Dermot. Send us a postcard with the next phase of the strategy on the back.
great post  are you NL Best post on here for a very long time. Yes we know we have financial constraints compared to EPL but when you compare us to a side like Malmo it really is embarrassing. Deila has been brought in on the policy of Mr Lawwell. His hands are tied and took the job knowing full well the financial issues of the club. Delia is not the issue it is the boards strategy. Until they show ambition and apologies to the support, which will not happen, then nothing will change. Last year there was a wave, after being put out twice, anger towards the board. What happened a shock response of bringing in Guidetti and Scepovic last minute. It is amateur hour for this board. I do not and will not support this stringent policy and its time to go.
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26 Aug 2015, 12:08 PM
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- 26 Aug 2015, 12:02 PM
All good points We need a change but I cant see any mechanism for this to happen.
You would have to start considering boycotts etc Yes that's exactly what will change the policy.
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26 Aug 2015, 12:17 PM
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- 26 Aug 2015, 09:30 AM
We've got a very risk-averse CEO who's trying to pursue a transfer strategy based on taking risks.
It's no surprise the plan isn't working. It's flawed at a staggeringly fundamental level.
Risk aversion worked when we had lots of money. Now we need to be proactive and innovative even just to get back to the group stages.
Lawwell has had way, way over the recommended maximum for a director. It's time for a new man and some fresh thinking.
It's the risks he takes that are the problem. In the last 2 years we have lost 2-1 to Maribor and 4-3 to Malmo. In both ties we have been in strong positions during the first legs. Just a wee bit more quality would have seen us through in both ties and he could have been sitting counting the cash. It's not a fashionable point of view to say we need a strong rangers, we shouldn't, but when your CEO's entire ambition is to stay one step ahead of them and he sees CL football as a bonus it's clear the last few years have been a huge opportunity missed. The mismanagement of Celtic at the very top since the huns died is pathetic. I said something similar last night in reply to paddysloans post.
It’s genuinely took me until now to realise that the board are waiting until they are in the top league before putting in the money needed. Every year I hope we have learned from last qualification. Karagandy should have been the wakeup call needed, and yet it has went on and on for years now.
The first year we made few changes from what I can remember, Ki went out? Can’t remember who came in but I dont think there was any real serious money going about.
2nd season we met Karagandy, other than Van Dijk we spent next to nothing after selling of 20million worth of talent and making the last 16 earning a further 25 million. We were left standing on deadline day with our dick in our hands, hoping, praying we could bring in a decent replacement for Hooper. Pukki was it.
3rd season we gambled yet again, even with a new manager and brought in a bunch of loans. The only real good signing was Gordon on a free.
And then this season another gamble, with very little in the way of money spent on the team.
If the board just released that extra 5 or 6 million every year to bring in 2 really quality players in specific positions we could have easily made the group stages, giving the opposition we faced.
We could be streets ahead of our nearest rivals in the SPL and group stage quality in the champion’s league attracting a better calibre of player because we consistently make it into the CL.
It’s a sad situation that needs addressed.
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26 Aug 2015, 12:18 PM
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It’s genuinely took me until now to realise that the board are waiting until they are in the top league before putting in the money needed. Haha. Good one.
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26 Aug 2015, 12:20 PM
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Boycott a club that's on its way to 10 in a row . disappointing night last night granted but let down by players not performing on the night not by the board members ! IMO
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26 Aug 2015, 12:21 PM
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I honestly don't think we need to spend millions on transfers, we need imo, to aquire a few old heads, who have no sell on value, and pay them top dollar. But as this doesn't fit in with the policy, and break the wage ceiling, it ain't gonna happen We wouldn't sign Lubo today, this has to change.
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26 Aug 2015, 12:22 PM
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We have no policy or strategy.
Those myths were created by people burying their heads in the sand and ignoring all the "idiots" and "negative morons" like myself that have been saying for years and years Lawwell has this club on the decline.
We sell, sell, sell, then scatter money at diddys once the board comes under pressure from the fans, and one of those cheap option stands out from the rest and is sold. Repeat.
We never build on a team. We never build a team around a player. We just tear teams apart.
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26 Aug 2015, 12:22 PM
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- dazabhoy67
- 26 Aug 2015, 12:17 PM
- Bobby Peru
- 26 Aug 2015, 09:51 AM
- duffsticks
- 26 Aug 2015, 09:30 AM
We've got a very risk-averse CEO who's trying to pursue a transfer strategy based on taking risks.
It's no surprise the plan isn't working. It's flawed at a staggeringly fundamental level.
Risk aversion worked when we had lots of money. Now we need to be proactive and innovative even just to get back to the group stages.
Lawwell has had way, way over the recommended maximum for a director. It's time for a new man and some fresh thinking.
It's the risks he takes that are the problem. In the last 2 years we have lost 2-1 to Maribor and 4-3 to Malmo. In both ties we have been in strong positions during the first legs. Just a wee bit more quality would have seen us through in both ties and he could have been sitting counting the cash. It's not a fashionable point of view to say we need a strong rangers, we shouldn't, but when your CEO's entire ambition is to stay one step ahead of them and he sees CL football as a bonus it's clear the last few years have been a huge opportunity missed. The mismanagement of Celtic at the very top since the huns died is pathetic.
I said something similar last night in reply to paddysloans post. It’s genuinely took me until now to realise that the board are waiting until they are in the top league before putting in the money needed. Every year I hope we have learned from last qualification. Karagandy should have been the wakeup call needed, and yet it has went on and on for years now. The first year we made few changes from what I can remember, Ki went out? Can’t remember who came in but I dont think there was any real serious money going about. 2nd season we met Karagandy, other than Van Dijk we spent next to nothing after selling of 20million worth of talent and making the last 16 earning a further 25 million. We were left standing on deadline day with our dick in our hands, hoping, praying we could bring in a decent replacement for Hooper. Pukki was it. 3rd season we gambled yet again, even with a new manager and brought in a bunch of loans. The only real good signing was Gordon on a free. And then this season another gamble, with very little in the way of money spent on the team. If the board just released that extra 5 or 6 million every year to bring in 2 really quality players in specific positions we could have easily made the group stages, giving the opposition we faced. We could be streets ahead of our nearest rivals in the SPL and group stage quality in the champion’s league attracting a better calibre of player because we consistently make it into the CL. It’s a sad situation that needs addressed. You might want to downsize the figure in your signature
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26 Aug 2015, 12:24 PM
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- dazabhoy67
- 26 Aug 2015, 12:17 PM
- Bobby Peru
- 26 Aug 2015, 09:51 AM
- duffsticks
- 26 Aug 2015, 09:30 AM
We've got a very risk-averse CEO who's trying to pursue a transfer strategy based on taking risks.
It's no surprise the plan isn't working. It's flawed at a staggeringly fundamental level.
Risk aversion worked when we had lots of money. Now we need to be proactive and innovative even just to get back to the group stages.
Lawwell has had way, way over the recommended maximum for a director. It's time for a new man and some fresh thinking.
It's the risks he takes that are the problem. In the last 2 years we have lost 2-1 to Maribor and 4-3 to Malmo. In both ties we have been in strong positions during the first legs. Just a wee bit more quality would have seen us through in both ties and he could have been sitting counting the cash. It's not a fashionable point of view to say we need a strong rangers, we shouldn't, but when your CEO's entire ambition is to stay one step ahead of them and he sees CL football as a bonus it's clear the last few years have been a huge opportunity missed. The mismanagement of Celtic at the very top since the huns died is pathetic.
I said something similar last night in reply to paddysloans post. It’s genuinely took me until now to realise that the board are waiting until they are in the top league before putting in the money needed. Every year I hope we have learned from last qualification. Karagandy should have been the wakeup call needed, and yet it has went on and on for years now. The first year we made few changes from what I can remember, Ki went out? Can’t remember who came in but I dont think there was any real serious money going about. 2nd season we met Karagandy, other than Van Dijk we spent next to nothing after selling of 20million worth of talent and making the last 16 earning a further 25 million. We were left standing on deadline day with our dick in our hands, hoping, praying we could bring in a decent replacement for Hooper. Pukki was it. 3rd season we gambled yet again, even with a new manager and brought in a bunch of loans. The only real good signing was Gordon on a free. And then this season another gamble, with very little in the way of money spent on the team. If the board just released that extra 5 or 6 million every year to bring in 2 really quality players in specific positions we could have easily made the group stages, giving the opposition we faced. We could be streets ahead of our nearest rivals in the SPL and group stage quality in the champion’s league attracting a better calibre of player because we consistently make it into the CL. It’s a sad situation that needs addressed. Our only strategy is for rifc to make their appearance and hope for an upsurge in crowds. We'll only invest seriously if there is a real risk that in 3-4 years there's going to be a more realistic challenge. There is zero vision at the club beyond that, it's like the SPFL farce at club level.
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26 Aug 2015, 12:26 PM
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- westendtim
- 26 Aug 2015, 12:20 PM
Boycott a club that's on its way to 10 in a row  . disappointing night last night granted but let down by players not performing on the night not by the board members ! IMO People are paying good hard earned money for a board happy to take the money and show no ambition whatsoever.
Wouldn't support a full boycott but there comes a time when you need to say enough is enough and say it so people under you in no uncertain terms. Question is how?
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26 Aug 2015, 12:29 PM
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- westendtim
- 26 Aug 2015, 12:20 PM
Boycott a club that's on its way to 10 in a row  . disappointing night last night granted but let down by players not performing on the night not by the board members ! IMO Totally disagree. Ten in a row against teams in a league with resources that are not even comparable. Yes the players were poor but thats what you get when you buy inexperience. The board have reduced and reduced the playing staff to its bare bones. Policy is the problem not the players iMHO
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