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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,873 Views)
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Are people actually serious about wanting Lawwell gone, or are we all just going to be going back to pretending it'll all be different this time next year?

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'Frightened' 'Gutless' 'Scared' 'Ashamed' 'Embarrassing' 'A footballing disaster' 'A financial catastrophe'

An abject, abysmal, atrocious and humiliating performance tonight - by the players and the manager.

At this moment, I have no idea where we go from here as a Club - in terms of players and manager.

However, it is patently obvious that a change in strategy is urgently required

The first change is to rid Celtic of the common denominator for failure - Lawwell
Can't disagree with that
Lawwell as CEO sets the strategy at the behest of the board. So either the board have fkd up or Lawwells strategy is flawed or perhaps has not been called into question nor contested. I accept there are many players who are not up to standard but would suggest its part of the strategy, buy cheap sell on at a balance sheet profit but no tangeable return to the lifeblood of the club - us.

IMO the stratagy and blinkered gamble by PL each year, set by him and endorsed and supported by the board has now reached saturation point and is now unsustainable. Our need for quality outstrips average and we are now below distinctly average. FFS we are no better as a challenge in CL than Dundee are in comparison to the SPFL

Either the board have issued a complete lack of guidance or the CEO has implemented a strategy that has produced results on the balance sheet and not on the park, and by that I mean we should have a clear road and "shoot in" to the £20M pot in Europe every fooling year. The CEO strategy is in the most part, reduce the outlay for big returns (buy/sell) policy, but when it counts, we have been significantly wanting in real quality signings which will give the returns- see pukka/ skepovic etc. We should be signing a proven quality player to ensure a consistent return. FFS every club has to invest significantly at some point. We have been for too long, spinning the dice and gambling on red when every effer knows it should have been green - a signing which would make a difference that we could all have believed in. Problem is , and pains me to say, the CEO has shat on us almost to the same degree as Minty Mounbeams. He needs to be brought to account. All other parts of the club where it counts on the playing field have been downgraded for years on his watch- the dumbing down of Celtic. Every ticket bought, every shirt bought is a sign of acceptance to PL. We have NOT moved forward only backwards which was all too apparent tonight in Malmo. For me this was the night the playing staff and Management looked exactly what they are.

We know that VVD is off and we are left with poor seconds which will win the SPFL but gives us the square root of feck all.

I have been on very optimistic on the future of Celtic and rode with the punches up and down over the years.
(Old board/Recent Sevco shampoo/ Armeggedon etc).


But for me tonight, I'm a punch drunk Celtic supporter that is at the end of the bullshampooe scale and that performance tonight was two years too late in that it's been hidden for a very long time. We are absolutely abject in CL and EL due to the policies endorsed by the board and implemented by the CEO.

Every employee of a football club has a shelf life. They give their all and typically many do not reach their 10 year anniversary. In this day and age PL has outstayed his tenure despite the financial spreadsheets that say the opposite. With the amount of accrued money we have in the bank, from sales not real progress in the CL to the group stages where we aspire to be every year - we are very average . At this point , where we should be progressing due to our dominance domestically, we are going backwards, and it's easy to blame the manager and players, however, the root cause is the strategy and for that PL is on the hook.

PL is past his sell buy date- time to rethink strategy or bring in someone who can move us forward




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26 Aug 2015, 12:09 AM
We gamble every year on long odds against shots but any gambler will tell you that you need to speculate to accumulate.We still show no signs of doing so.

Yup, once again it was "nothing ventured, nothing lost" when it came to a few key signings that could have increased our chances of qualifying for the CL. At some point, Lawwell and the board might learn that by following a low-risk strategy year after year, he has disillusioned so many Celtic supporters he has actually gone and taken the biggest gamble of all--insulting the intelligence of your "customers" time after time, and assuming that they'll just keep on coming back for more.

In terms of the investment we needed, it wasn't that huge in the overall scheme of things. And if we had still failed to qualify for the CL, we would have still had the safety net of having one of the biggest-spending leagues in the world as our immediate neighbours. Honestly, if Lawwell doesn't feel confident in his own ability--combined with that of John Park--to find new players who could--in a worst-case scenario--be sold on to an English team at a profit, the two of them should resign forthwith. I would have said they "should be sacked," but that doesn't seem like a possibility, no matter how many times we repeat our farcical approach to CL qualification.

If you think the words "here we go, ten in a row" ring a little hollow in 2015, just imagine what they would sound like after a few more summers of Lawwell repeating the same old mistakes, while assuming that the the Celtic support will obediently accept the club's exclusion from the CL. While the likes of Malmo go marching on.
Edited by QualityStreet1970, 26 Aug 2015, 06:18 AM.
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If there's value there we can buy a 6/7 million pound player. Looking forward to getting him in for our Europa charge.
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Peter Lawwell fools the Celtic support into looking behind us by making the likes of the deceased rangers and the new club relevant with his cheap jibes etc. Taking club down to just above the Scottish level but trying to look good in front of them.

Saves him from taking club forward and with people fooled by his spin, CQN, his main stream media spin etc he gets away with it.

If anybody knew propaganda when they saw it the Celtic support should, I would have bet the Celtic support were wise to propaganda. Amazed folk are being fooled by it.

His time was up a long time ago, hopefully folk wake up to it now.
Edited by Estadio nacional, 26 Aug 2015, 07:34 AM.
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£50m quid gone in 12 months. Thats a team of £20k a week players.

Nothing will change though, the effing arsehole will keep collecting his money until there's noone left to sell.
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Much as I think Lawwell deserves to take his share of the blame here, anybody that thinks his departure will see any major culture change, at board level, is fooling themselves.
He does the boards bidding. The CEO after him will do the boards bidding. And probably for the same level of remuneration.
We need to get rid of John Park first. He is yesterday's man and has to go. And we need to overhaul our scouting system.
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QualityStreet1970
26 Aug 2015, 02:38 AM
Harry68
26 Aug 2015, 12:09 AM
We gamble every year on long odds against shots but any gambler will tell you that you need to speculate to accumulate.We still show no signs of doing so.

Yup, once again it was "nothing ventured, nothing lost" when it came to a few key signings that could have increased our chances of qualifying for the CL. At some point, Lawwell and the board might learn that by following a low-risk strategy year after year, he has disillusioned so many Celtic supporters he has actually gone and taken the biggest gamble of all--insulting the intelligence of your "customers" time after time, and assuming that they'll just keep on coming back for more.

In terms of the investment we needed, it wasn't that huge in the overall scheme of things. And if we had still failed to qualify for the CL, we would have still had the safety net of having one of the biggest-spending leagues in the world as our immediate neighbours. Honestly, if Lawwell doesn't feel confident in his own ability--combined with that of John Park--to find new players who could--in a worst-case scenario--be sold on to an English team at a profit, the two of them should resign forthwith. I would have said they "should be sacked," but that doesn't seem like a possibility, no matter how many times we repeat our farcical approach to CL qualification.

If you think the words "here we go, ten in a row" ring a little hollow in 2015, just imagine what they would sound like after a few more summers of Lawwell repeating the same old mistakes, while assuming that the the Celtic support will obediently accept the club's exclusion from the CL. While the likes of Malmo go marching on.
What I don't understand is that the power in the board room Desmond dermot is a billionaire and he must have speculated to accumulate in his own business dealings yet won't allow celtic to do so.After MON we were £20m in debt and most celtic fans agreed that we had to get the debt down but once we got that down we in the position to occasionally buy a "blue chip " signing but we continued acting as though we were £20m or £30m in debt.When you look at the money we have spent trying to replace hooper it's actually a false economy buying 4 or5 strikers for £1m to£2m instead of replacing hooper with a £5m like for like striker.You are right the way the club is run we have no chance of getting 10 in a row.
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Goodbye Sevillian
26 Aug 2015, 07:47 AM
Much as I think Lawwell deserves to take his share of the blame here, anybody that thinks his departure will see any major culture change, at board level, is fooling themselves.
He does the boards bidding. The CEO after him will do the boards bidding. And probably for the same level of remuneration.
We need to get rid of John Park first. He is yesterday's man and has to go. And we need to overhaul our scouting system.
Add the academy to that, we have got lucky the last few years and some gambles have paid off(been a few years since many did) but a model of hit and hope is not a strategy.
Still don't produce our own players we fling good money after bad on duds. It's completely flawed
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Goodbye Sevillian
26 Aug 2015, 07:47 AM
Much as I think Lawwell deserves to take his share of the blame here, anybody that thinks his departure will see any major culture change, at board level, is fooling themselves.
He does the boards bidding. The CEO after him will do the boards bidding. And probably for the same level of remuneration.
We need to get rid of John Park first. He is yesterday's man and has to go. And we need to overhaul our scouting system.
Add the academy to that, we have got lucky the last few years and some gambles have paid off(been a few years since many did) but a model of hit and hope is not a strategy.
Still don't produce our own players we fling good money after bad on duds. It's completely flawed
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What I don't understand is why do the board not gamble 5/6m on a left back and a striker in the hope of us getting into the group stages and banking 15/20m??? If at the end of the day we still get knocked out we still had Virgil to sell to balance the books. I just don't feel like the board is giving us a fair chance.
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SPLOB has to go and soon

small speculation to accumulation needs to happen to reach the CL

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Our whole strategy is flawed, think about who we were going for when we were looking for a new manager, the same old uninspired obvious choices in Roy Keanes and Owen Coyles of this world. We then end up with the cheapest option possible in Deila.

If we're not the richest club in the champions route every season we are certainly in the top 3 yet we get routinely pumped out by clubs with the budget of Aberdeen or less.

Bate Borisov will have qualified 4 out of the last 5 seasons if they get past Partizan with a fraction of our budget and a squad that is made up 95% of Belurussian players.

With our budget qualifying for the champions league group stage should be the minimum expected not heralded as some sort of miraculous managerial achievement.

Our club from top to bottom is full of overpaid underachievers.
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If the board aren't in first thing this morning assessing our finances and not doing their best to ship players that are of absolutely no use to Celtic, i.e. your Boerigters and Scepovics of the squad then they should ship themselves out.
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We've got a very risk-averse CEO who's trying to pursue a transfer strategy based on taking risks.

It's no surprise the plan isn't working. It's flawed at a staggeringly fundamental level.

Risk aversion worked when we had lots of money. Now we need to be proactive and innovative even just to get back to the group stages.

Lawwell has had way, way over the recommended maximum for a director. It's time for a new man and some fresh thinking.
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I've got some sympathy for the board because I'm pretty sure not one of them wants to be the guy implementing dramatic spending cuts that are clearly impacting on the quality of the team on the pitch & selling our best players.

The only way I think that we could loosen the purse strings to get top class players to Celtic would be to build a very strong starting eleven but with no squad depth whatsoever the rest of the squad would be made up of youth team players to compliment a very strong & expensively assembled in terms of transfer fees starting 11.

One of the arguments against this is that it would cause an inflation in players wages demand when our hypothetical 6 million transfer comes in at 40 grand a week and others start to demand the same wage. The other would be that a proper injury crisis would have the potential to completely destroy our season particularly in an environment where Newco are the best of the rest and their finances are in a reasonable state.

The games dying on its arse in Scotland, for all the hype that it is more competitive & Aberdeen & Dundee United have had their best teams in decades, player for player I think they are weaker it's just that because the quality across the board has shrunk it doesn't come across that way.

Hearts team in 2006 that finished 2nd & the Dundee squad under Bonetti, if we had the squad we have today back then I honestly think they could have beaten us to the title.

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time for a backlash, wish Lenny would just open his mouth and obliterate these *****
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26 Aug 2015, 09:20 AM
If the board aren't in first thing this morning assessing our finances and not doing their best to ship players that are of absolutely no use to Celtic, i.e. your Boerigters and Scepovics of the squad then they should ship themselves out.
That's the thing--if the board are underperforming... who you gonna call?
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26 Aug 2015, 09:30 AM
We've got a very risk-averse CEO who's trying to pursue a transfer strategy based on taking risks.

It's no surprise the plan isn't working. It's flawed at a staggeringly fundamental level.

Risk aversion worked when we had lots of money. Now we need to be proactive and innovative even just to get back to the group stages.

Lawwell has had way, way over the recommended maximum for a director. It's time for a new man and some fresh thinking.
It's the risks he takes that are the problem.

In the last 2 years we have lost 2-1 to Maribor and 4-3 to Malmo. In both ties we have been in strong positions during the first legs.

Just a wee bit more quality would have seen us through in both ties and he could have been sitting counting the cash.

It's not a fashionable point of view to say we need a strong rangers, we shouldn't, but when your CEO's entire ambition is to stay one step ahead of them and he sees CL football as a bonus it's clear the last few years have been a huge opportunity missed.

The mismanagement of Celtic at the very top since the huns died is pathetic.
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We're being strangled by our own conservatism.
A safety before product strategy will ensure we continue to recede in size, quality and relevance for the foreseeable future.
We need a change of direction at the very top.
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