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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,886 Views)
Lobey Dosser
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kingbhoyd
7 Oct 2014, 08:42 PM
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7 Oct 2014, 06:35 PM
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7 Oct 2014, 11:38 AM

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I have no doubt Keane being Keane he would never have lasted more than likely doing one of his own volition and I would not want him anywhere near the Celtic job but Keane being Keane and not giving a feck would have been Lawwell's biggest fear as regards appointing him as Keane would take him on in the public domain - Even if ultimately Keane did lose that one (and I am not so sure he would) some of the real home truths coming out would mean that Keane would severely weaken PL's position and despite his comfort zone it would likely not be too long before he was down the road behind Keane
No he wouldn't. The board and dd in particular sack the CEO, and pl doesn't hide anything or do anything without recourse to dd and the board

So you're wrong. Keane wouldn't expose anything to anyone who matters
I'm very impressed by your knowledge of what goes on inside CP. You must be one of those " in the know " posters. ;)
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I have no doubt Keane being Keane he would never have lasted more than likely doing one of his own volition and I would not want him anywhere near the Celtic job but Keane being Keane and not giving a feck would have been Lawwell's biggest fear as regards appointing him as Keane would take him on in the public domain - Even if ultimately Keane did lose that one (and I am not so sure he would) some of the real home truths coming out would mean that Keane would severely weaken PL's position and despite his comfort zone it would likely not be too long before he was down the road behind Keane
No he wouldn't. The board and dd in particular sack the CEO, and pl doesn't hide anything or do anything without recourse to dd and the board

So you're wrong. Keane wouldn't expose anything to anyone who matters
Interesting you're saying this off the back of a conversation about Keane revealing Dermot Desmond said the job was his, and Lawwell done everything not to sign him.

So I'm not sure why you're saying that.
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7 Oct 2014, 11:16 AM
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7 Oct 2014, 11:01 AM
Oh my god thank the eff Keane never got the job. An absolute failure as a manager and a a bit of a carrot to boot.
Would rather have that carrot, than the turnip we have right now as manager.
Deila has his faults, but I'd sooner have him than a thug like Keane.

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he managed a professional football club did he not?


A professional club which had a ground with a (maximum!) capacity of 3,000 and expectations to match. It's as if we plucked someone out of the second division (or whatever the eff it's called now) and made him Celtic manager.
Edited by Klepton, 8 Oct 2014, 12:42 AM.
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Klepton
8 Oct 2014, 12:40 AM
1888tic
7 Oct 2014, 11:16 AM
subtle_anxiety
7 Oct 2014, 11:01 AM
Oh my god thank the eff Keane never got the job. An absolute failure as a manager and a a bit of a carrot to boot.
Would rather have that carrot, than the turnip we have right now as manager.
Deila has his faults, but I'd sooner have him than a thug like Keane.

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he managed a professional football club did he not?


A professional club which had a ground with a (maximum!) capacity of 3,000 and expectations to match. It's as if we plucked someone out of the second division (or whatever the eff it's called now) and made him Celtic manager.
He won the Norwegian league.
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8 Oct 2014, 02:27 AM
Klepton
8 Oct 2014, 12:40 AM
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7 Oct 2014, 11:16 AM

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Deila has his faults, but I'd sooner have him than a thug like Keane.

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he managed a professional football club did he not?


A professional club which had a ground with a (maximum!) capacity of 3,000 and expectations to match. It's as if we plucked someone out of the second division (or whatever the eff it's called now) and made him Celtic manager.
He won the Norwegian league.
He also nearly got them relegated twice. Your point being?
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7 Oct 2014, 06:10 PM
You really have to be very cynical when it comes to the so-called Celtic "Board". Ultimately given DD's dominance they are nothing more than a glorified/pampered talking shop. They may have been (or are) Celtic fans at some point in the past. They know that whatever dross is served up there is a hard-core fan base - say about 35,000 - that will turn up for practically anything. They also know - as does Peter - that in just over a year Rangers will ride to the rescue and the "Old Firm" will be reborn. Now, however much most on here disdain the very thought of the "Old Firm" or the very idea that Sevco might just be Rangers in disguise - Peter and the Bhoys know that the resulting media hype will result in many more bums on seats and more season tickets. That's just how it is. Peter will tough out whatever dog's breakfast Ronny serves up this season in the safe knowledge that the circus will resume next season. If Peter's panicking it might not be because of Ronny's failed "system" - it will be that Super Ally might fail to get his tribute act back up into the SPFL next season. Make no mistake these so-called Board members have little respect for the ordinary Celtic fan - I think that's patently clear.
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emeraldsubmarine
7 Oct 2014, 06:10 PM
They also know - as does Peter - that in just over a year Rangers will ride to the rescue and the "Old Firm" will be reborn. Now, however much most on here disdain the very thought of the "Old Firm" or the very idea that Sevco might just be Rangers in disguise - Peter and the Bhoys know that the resulting media hype will result in many more bums on seats and more season tickets. That's just how it is.
They're banking on it, and they're not stupid. Meanwhile the rest of us get to enjoy the holding pattern.
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8 Oct 2014, 01:56 PM
emeraldsubmarine
7 Oct 2014, 06:10 PM
They also know - as does Peter - that in just over a year Rangers will ride to the rescue and the "Old Firm" will be reborn. Now, however much most on here disdain the very thought of the "Old Firm" or the very idea that Sevco might just be Rangers in disguise - Peter and the Bhoys know that the resulting media hype will result in many more bums on seats and more season tickets. That's just how it is.
They're banking on it, and they're not stupid. Meanwhile the rest of us get to enjoy the holding pattern.
So if we are waiting on Sevco coming back up is the Board plan that then they loosen the lid on the biscuit tin for whoever is manager

If not then the tribute act stand a decent chance of beating us and winning the league even under SuperSwally

At which point I'll volunteer for a manned voyage to Mars
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Tim Waits
8 Oct 2014, 01:56 PM
emeraldsubmarine
7 Oct 2014, 06:10 PM
They also know - as does Peter - that in just over a year Rangers will ride to the rescue and the "Old Firm" will be reborn. Now, however much most on here disdain the very thought of the "Old Firm" or the very idea that Sevco might just be Rangers in disguise - Peter and the Bhoys know that the resulting media hype will result in many more bums on seats and more season tickets. That's just how it is.
They're banking on it, and they're not stupid. Meanwhile the rest of us get to enjoy the holding pattern.
What worries me is the assumption that the huns will struggle. They will have a point to prove and will sell their soul to the devil to challenge us.
Don't forget the press will be dusting down the phrase "honest mistakes" in record numbers.

We have to get ourselves sorted now.
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Lobey Dosser
8 Oct 2014, 12:06 AM
kingbhoyd
7 Oct 2014, 08:42 PM
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7 Oct 2014, 06:35 PM

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No he wouldn't. The board and dd in particular sack the CEO, and pl doesn't hide anything or do anything without recourse to dd and the board

So you're wrong. Keane wouldn't expose anything to anyone who matters
I'm very impressed by your knowledge of what goes on inside CP. You must be one of those " in the know " posters. ;)
Not really, a mix of a basic understanding of corporate governance, some common sense and a little bit of knowledge.

The idea of peter lawwell being some sort of rogue baddy who does what he does without the agreement of the board, and of him hiding stuff from dd and the other directors is just plain silly
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8 Oct 2014, 12:10 AM
kingbhoyd
7 Oct 2014, 08:42 PM
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7 Oct 2014, 06:35 PM

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No he wouldn't. The board and dd in particular sack the CEO, and pl doesn't hide anything or do anything without recourse to dd and the board

So you're wrong. Keane wouldn't expose anything to anyone who matters
Interesting you're saying this off the back of a conversation about Keane revealing Dermot Desmond said the job was his, and Lawwell done everything not to sign him.

So I'm not sure why you're saying that.
Now why would Roy keane, borderline psychopath write an extreme story in a book he's trying to sell that makes him look better on the eyes of the celtic fans?

You have seen what else he wrote in the book haven't you?

Or maybe peter lawwell would risk his job by going directly against the wishes of the major shareholder, on secret, in the knowledge that dd would more than likely find out just to stop Roy keane from getting the job and appoint someone he could control better. Doesn't ring true to me.
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One of the worst humiliations in the clubs history and the two things that stick in Roy Keane's mind from that day are an offending Nike tag on his shirt and John Hartson eating a bag of crisps on the coach home.

He's not right in the effin head that man. A bullet dodged.
Edited by Neilly, 8 Oct 2014, 02:48 PM.
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With what Keane has said in his book (and which, to be fair, was already fairly well known) it looks like Lawwell was somewhat obtrusive in appointing Keane, then appointed the pre-designed assistant instead (Delia).

If Delia fails, then Lawwell may be finished as Dermot will unlikely forgive him for blocking Keane after he offered him the job. Keane has, effectively, put the knife in Lawwell with what he has said.

To be fair, it might be our best hope of getting rid of Lawwell. He's certainly not leaving any time soon, while he comfortably claims £1m a year from the club, irrespective of success on the park or low crowds in the stands.
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Bringing on Keane as manager would have been a ticking time bomb. It would only be a matter of time until he destroyed the relationship with upper management at the club. In addition, regarding the playing personnel I couldn't see him putting up with the lack of effort and commitment that we are currently seeing. There would be a risk of him losing the dressing room as well.

Having said this, I believe his recent comments are true - DD calls the shots and as a club, we are very, very difficult to negotiate with.

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8 Oct 2014, 02:48 PM
One of the worst humiliations in the clubs history and the two things that stick in Roy Keane's mind from that day are an offending Nike tag on his shirt and John Hartson eating a bag of crisps on the coach home.

He's not right in the effin head that man. A bullet dodged.
I :lol: more than I should do at your post. He is mad as a box of frogs isn't he? :lol:
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The only chance of us meeting the Newco in the next year or so is in the cups. Hearts will walk that league and newco won't win any promotion play off. Help or no help.

Better get prepared for another year or so in the hard shoulder going nowhere.
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Has anyone seen/have any interest in this? Subscription to the FT required for the full doc...

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1abc9978-4ed3-11e4-b205-00144feab7de.html?ftcamp=crm/email/2014109/nbe/UKMorningHeadlines/product&siteedition=intl#axzz3FdQtAyWd

Ajax and Arsenal come out on top in European financial league
By Andrew BolgerAuthor alerts


Arsenal might not have won the European Champions League in 17 consecutive years of trying, but the London football club has beaten more successful rivals – including Manchester United and Bayern Munich – in the financial strength table.

According to the Credit Football League of 44 public and private European clubs, created by S&P Capital IQ, Arsenal is pipped only by Ajax of Amsterdam on range of debt and financial performance indicators.

However, while the English team glories in the highest credit score of “bb+”, like all the clubs studied it is deemed subinvestment grade – or “junk”, in debt market terms.

S&P Capital IQ suggested that Arsenal’s relative financial stability may be related to its unwillingness to “buy” success, by spending heavily on player transfers – an analysis also put forward by some of the club’s fans.

“[The league ranking] could indicate that Arsenal controls its finances in a more conservative way than the other large football clubs – something perhaps mirrored by its manager Arsène Wenger’s historically and comparatively frugal transfer policy,” the researchers said.

Among the 17 publicly listed clubs in its league table, S&P Capital IQ also found a correlation between performance on the pitch and investors’ views of creditworthiness, as captured in a measure called “probability to default” (PD).

During the 2014 pre-season period, for example, the uncertainty surrounding Manchester United’s new manager resulted in its PD rising to 1.12 per cent. Following the appointment of Louis Van Gaal, apparently renewed confidence in the team led to a much lower PD of 0.05 per cent. However, after the club’s disappointing start to the season, its PD had risen to 0.18 per cent by mid-September.

S&P Capital IQ’s Virtual Credit Football League
1 Ajax Netherlands
2 Arsenal UK
3 Celtic UK
4 Manchester United UK
5 Saint-Étienne France
6 Borussia Dortmund Germany
7 Borussia Mönchengladbach Germany
8 Bayern Munich Germany
9 Manchester City UK
10 Toulouse France

Manchester United ranked fourth in the overall credit league behind Ajax, Arsenal and Glasgow Celtic. Pavle Sabic, director of credit market development at S&P Capital IQ, said the surprisingly high ranking for Celtic – which last won a European title in 1967 – reflected its dominance of the Scottish Premier League, which brings regular qualification for Champions League football and related revenues.
Borussia Dortmund ranked sixth thanks to its high match-day attendances and regular Champions League appearances.

Juventus was one of the highest risers, though, as its credit score recovered from “ccc” in 2011 – following its relegation from Italy’s top league and a match-fixing scandal – to “b+” this year. Now one of Europe’s most creditworthy clubs, it is back up to 16th in the financial table.

But some of the biggest and most successful clubs in Europe – including Barcelona, Real Madrid and Chelsea – had to be excluded from the survey because they did not disclose sufficient financial information.

In general, northern European clubs had stronger financials and represented a lower credit risk than southern clubs. “Economic conditions have an impact on the size of a club’s match attendance and how much consumers spend – this in turn has an impact on a club’s financials,” explained S&P Capital IQ.
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9 Oct 2014, 09:39 AM
Has anyone seen/have any interest in this? Subscription to the FT required for the full doc...

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1abc9978-4ed3-11e4-b205-00144feab7de.html?ftcamp=crm/email/2014109/nbe/UKMorningHeadlines/product&siteedition=intl#axzz3FdQtAyWd

Ajax and Arsenal come out on top in European financial league
By Andrew BolgerAuthor alerts


Arsenal might not have won the European Champions League in 17 consecutive years of trying, but the London football club has beaten more successful rivals – including Manchester United and Bayern Munich – in the financial strength table.

According to the Credit Football League of 44 public and private European clubs, created by S&P Capital IQ, Arsenal is pipped only by Ajax of Amsterdam on range of debt and financial performance indicators.

However, while the English team glories in the highest credit score of “bb+”, like all the clubs studied it is deemed subinvestment grade – or “junk”, in debt market terms.

S&P Capital IQ suggested that Arsenal’s relative financial stability may be related to its unwillingness to “buy” success, by spending heavily on player transfers – an analysis also put forward by some of the club’s fans.

“[The league ranking] could indicate that Arsenal controls its finances in a more conservative way than the other large football clubs – something perhaps mirrored by its manager Arsène Wenger’s historically and comparatively frugal transfer policy,” the researchers said.

Among the 17 publicly listed clubs in its league table, S&P Capital IQ also found a correlation between performance on the pitch and investors’ views of creditworthiness, as captured in a measure called “probability to default” (PD).

During the 2014 pre-season period, for example, the uncertainty surrounding Manchester United’s new manager resulted in its PD rising to 1.12 per cent. Following the appointment of Louis Van Gaal, apparently renewed confidence in the team led to a much lower PD of 0.05 per cent. However, after the club’s disappointing start to the season, its PD had risen to 0.18 per cent by mid-September.

S&P Capital IQ’s Virtual Credit Football League
1AjaxNetherlands
2ArsenalUK
3CelticUK
4Manchester UnitedUK
5Saint-ÉtienneFrance
6Borussia DortmundGermany
7Borussia MönchengladbachGermany
8Bayern MunichGermany
9Manchester CityUK
10ToulouseFrance

Manchester United ranked fourth in the overall credit league behind Ajax, Arsenal and Glasgow Celtic. Pavle Sabic, director of credit market development at S&P Capital IQ, said the surprisingly high ranking for Celtic – which last won a European title in 1967 – reflected its dominance of the Scottish Premier League, which brings regular qualification for Champions League football and related revenues.
Borussia Dortmund ranked sixth thanks to its high match-day attendances and regular Champions League appearances.

Juventus was one of the highest risers, though, as its credit score recovered from “ccc” in 2011 – following its relegation from Italy’s top league and a match-fixing scandal – to “b+” this year. Now one of Europe’s most creditworthy clubs, it is back up to 16th in the financial table.

But some of the biggest and most successful clubs in Europe – including Barcelona, Real Madrid and Chelsea – had to be excluded from the survey because they did not disclose sufficient financial information.

In general, northern European clubs had stronger financials and represented a lower credit risk than southern clubs. “Economic conditions have an impact on the size of a club’s match attendance and how much consumers spend – this in turn has an impact on a club’s financials,” explained S&P Capital IQ.
Wow, third best in Europe :rubeyes: Have a slightly bigger bonus this year Peter, you've earned it :worthy:
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All together now, "For it's a grand old team to play for, for it's a grand old team to be deemed investment grade in debt market terms"
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Won't hold my breath waiting on that being published in the Glasgow rags.
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