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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,415,013 Views)
Dannybhoy95
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dr mueller
28 Jul 2014, 05:27 PM
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Right. Fair enough with regards to the first point.

"They'll kill themselves trying to reach our level" Yes, we're not as strong as we were 2 seasons ago. We are, however, light years in front of the chasing SPL pack, never mind a team that's a full league below us.

Will they be allowed to rot in mid-table? Aye. Where in the eff are they going to get the money to rebuild? Will the banks give them free reign to spend the way The huns MK I were allowed to? Will they eff. Foreign investors? Firstly, where were these folk when the bold Davie boy was shifting the original? He was willing to give away the keys to the kingdom for £1. Only the bold Craig Whyte stepped up and accepted. Secondly, who is going to sink a multi-million pound investment into a newly promoted club in Scotland? If you're a real millionaire looking to make a profit back from an investment, is Scottish football the place to do it? There's not that much money to be made in Scottish Football these days. Maybe a share issue? Well, they've all ready had one and last time I checked, they'd ripped the carrot out of it and just about battered through the full amount.

Face it, they are truly and utterly effed.

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29 Jul 2014, 08:24 PM
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29 Jul 2014, 08:17 PM
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29 Jul 2014, 07:43 PM

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They do love the match day experience. ;)

Took longer than the last one - do you want seats or not?

I hope everyone is putting quality of signings in as the answer to the last question.
Exactly what I put.
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dr mueller
29 Jul 2014, 04:15 AM
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29 Jul 2014, 02:29 AM
This chat about the huns is not so irrelevant after all I feel.

The irony being we were in a position both on and off the park to put ourselves way out of their reach for a generation, I'll bet you a dollar that we start spending again when the huns mark IV arrive to put pressure on our guaranteed CL slot.

As barking mad as it would have seemed 18 months ago, I think we are 18 months away from seeing it happen.

Thanks PL, you've played a blinder! :thumbsup:
Indeed, but I wonder whether it was at all possible to put some "insurmountable" distance between us and them, given the domestic setup.
People were talking about us "burying" Rangers since 2002.

It's a nonsense. Rangers as a new club are spending and will continue to spend beyond their means just as the old rangers always did.

We could, and should, operate within our means. If anyone is bored by that then they can go and buy a frisbee. Just for funsies, if it costs a fiver, give the guy a tenner for it.
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I just wish our board weren't concentrating on Sevco, and instead tried to concentrate on keeping our top players together for a season or two and make a push for us to make a real impact in European football thus making us more attractive for other talented young players to want to come to us knowing that they will get lots of publicity by playing in an established team on the european front with a big money move nonetheless happening 3-4yrs down the line based on our name and performances in europe!

Buying decent players cheap who have one or two good seasons with us before being flogged to minor EPL teams might be good for the bank balance but helps us not a jot on the European front!
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29 Jul 2014, 09:15 PM
I just wish our board weren't concentrating on Sevco, and instead tried to concentrate on keeping our top players together for a season or two and make a push for us to make a real impact in European football thus making us more attractive for other talented young players to want to come to us knowing that they will get lots of publicity by playing in an established team on the european front with a big money move nonetheless happening 3-4yrs down the line based on our name and performances in europe!

Buying decent players cheap who have one or two good seasons with us before being flogged to minor EPL teams might be good for the bank balance but helps us not a jot on the European front!
they're not "concentrating on Sevco", they've just calculated that the necessary expenditure for CL elevation vs expected return is too risky for the short to mid term. Hence, no need to really spend until we get a credible domestic challenge.

A lot of folk disagree re their capacity to at least make it interesting in their first or second year back. Fair enough.

I've yet to read anything that'll change my mind on that topic. Some are describing them as a "recently promoted outfit", wildly disregarding the fact that their global branding is as far reaching as ours.

Like buying stock when at historically low asking price levels, I don't think the franchise will struggle with potential suitors. They'll probably be in questionable financial shape for years to come, but recent history throughout Europe has shown us that doesn't intrinsically translate into an embargo on immediate spending.

I'm posting from a "remote" vantage point( Montreal ), padded with annual trips to Glasgow for the past 20 years. I'm just stunned that people who actually live there, and have witnessed the "unsavory" ins and outs of the domestic Scottish setup for ages, assume that anything but their swift propping up back into position can occur.
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'their global branding'

Did you see any images of their tour?

:lolhuns:
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dr mueller
29 Jul 2014, 09:53 PM
wildly disregarding the fact that their global branding is as far reaching as ours.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


We get invited to play Real Madrid in the USA... They play Ventura Fusion. Yeah, it's not really the same, is it? :lol:
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29 Jul 2014, 02:16 AM
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29 Jul 2014, 01:52 AM
dr mueller
28 Jul 2014, 09:23 PM

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I meant to quote you :thumbsup:
I know, was actually making fun of myself, a rare occurrence here needless to say ;)
Tbf your posts seem to keep most on here amused. ;)
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29 Jul 2014, 10:01 PM
dr mueller
29 Jul 2014, 09:53 PM
wildly disregarding the fact that their global branding is as far reaching as ours.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


We get invited to play Real Madrid in the USA... They play Ventura Fusion. Yeah, it's not really the same, is it? :lol:
:lol: ok guys.

You know full well I'm not exclusively talking about who we and they're paired with for friendlies.

And replying to my posts with amusement does little to provide evidence to the contrary, but it's all good. I expect that from unpopular, or "devil's advocate" opinions. A different reaction would've surprised me , TBH.
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29 Jul 2014, 09:53 PM
Some are describing them as a "recently promoted outfit", wildly disregarding the fact that their global branding is as far reaching as ours.
funny that. their former director hugh adam doesnt agree
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He is adamant that Rangers do not have the customer base to improve their financial standing through merchandising. "Rangers’ so-called global appeal is a myth," he said. "When I was there, we did an exercise which involved asking 50,000 fans on the database to recommend a friend or a relative abroad.

"A big response was expected - some were even talking about getting 100,000 names - because everybody in Scotland seems to know somebody abroad.

"We got back 2,800 names and three-quarters of them didn’t know they had been nominated. It’s no surprise that Celtic are officially the best-supported football club in North America, with more official clubs than anybody else. The difference is the Irish connection.

"Many Irish people may support Manchester United, Liverpool or whoever, but they all - every one of them - have an affection for Celtic. And, of course, Celtic also have a great Scottish following.

"The difference is that, while the Irish all have an allegiance to Parkhead, there are millions of Scots who not only don’t support Rangers, but actively dislike them.

"Despite the claims of international appeal, Rangers are, essentially, a West of Scotland club. They talk of supporters’ buses leaving from all parts of Scotland, but if you look closely, you’ll see there aren’t many from each area and they are not all full.[/b]
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dr mueller
29 Jul 2014, 09:53 PM
Some are describing them as a "recently promoted outfit", wildly disregarding the fact that their global branding is as far reaching as ours.
funny that. their former director hugh adam doesnt agree
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He is adamant that Rangers do not have the customer base to improve their financial standing through merchandising. "Rangers’ so-called global appeal is a myth," he said. "When I was there, we did an exercise which involved asking 50,000 fans on the database to recommend a friend or a relative abroad.

"A big response was expected - some were even talking about getting 100,000 names - because everybody in Scotland seems to know somebody abroad.

"We got back 2,800 names and three-quarters of them didn’t know they had been nominated. It’s no surprise that Celtic are officially the best-supported football club in North America, with more official clubs than anybody else. The difference is the Irish connection.

"Many Irish people may support Manchester United, Liverpool or whoever, but they all - every one of them - have an affection for Celtic. And, of course, Celtic also have a great Scottish following.

"The difference is that, while the Irish all have an allegiance to Parkhead, there are millions of Scots who not only don’t support Rangers, but actively dislike them.

"Despite the claims of international appeal, Rangers are, essentially, a West of Scotland club. They talk of supporters’ buses leaving from all parts of Scotland, but if you look closely, you’ll see there aren’t many from each area and they are not all full.[/b]
mmm I would take this seemingly cast iron assurance of non-pertinence with a certain degree of suspicion, potentially from someone whose stint within their org has turned sour or with the express intent of lowering clout while facing creditors.

Nevertheless, thanks for posting that, interesting to say the least.

Maybe my perception is clouded by the fact that their registered supporters outnumber ours in Montreal, or that they seem to match up pretty well in southern Ontario, South Africa and parts of Australia.

I'm also suspicious of the massive amount of expats/1-16th Irish-Americans/middle class 26-Counties kids who treasure Celtic as a second or third team; those demographics are the ones we're most likely to lose if the recent and current stalemate persists.

I do think there's an obvious gap there, but one not as large as to prevent them from appealing to interests beyond Scotland.
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dr mueller
30 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM
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29 Jul 2014, 10:52 PM
dr mueller
29 Jul 2014, 09:53 PM
Some are describing them as a "recently promoted outfit", wildly disregarding the fact that their global branding is as far reaching as ours.
funny that. their former director hugh adam doesnt agree
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He is adamant that Rangers do not have the customer base to improve their financial standing through merchandising. "Rangers’ so-called global appeal is a myth," he said. "When I was there, we did an exercise which involved asking 50,000 fans on the database to recommend a friend or a relative abroad.

"A big response was expected - some were even talking about getting 100,000 names - because everybody in Scotland seems to know somebody abroad.

"We got back 2,800 names and three-quarters of them didn’t know they had been nominated. It’s no surprise that Celtic are officially the best-supported football club in North America, with more official clubs than anybody else. The difference is the Irish connection.

"Many Irish people may support Manchester United, Liverpool or whoever, but they all - every one of them - have an affection for Celtic. And, of course, Celtic also have a great Scottish following.

"The difference is that, while the Irish all have an allegiance to Parkhead, there are millions of Scots who not only don’t support Rangers, but actively dislike them.

"Despite the claims of international appeal, Rangers are, essentially, a West of Scotland club. They talk of supporters’ buses leaving from all parts of Scotland, but if you look closely, you’ll see there aren’t many from each area and they are not all full.[/b]
mmm I would take this seemingly cast iron assurance of non-pertinence with a certain degree of suspicion, potentially from someone whose stint within their org has turned sour or with the express intent of lowering clout while facing creditors.

Nevertheless, thanks for posting that, interesting to say the least.

Maybe my perception is clouded by the fact that their registered supporters outnumber ours in Montreal, or that they seem to match up pretty well in southern Ontario, South Africa and parts of Australia.

I'm also suspicious of the massive amount of expats/1-16th Irish-Americans/middle class 26-Counties kids who treasure Celtic as a second or third team; those demographics are the ones we're most likely to lose if the recent and current stalemate persists.

I do think there's an obvious gap there, but one not as large as to prevent them from appealing to interests beyond Scotland.
:lol:


You are either a really pessimistic Celtic fan or a really optimistic Sevcoite :thumbsup:
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Got to be happy with the board.As has been said many times before I wish we were in a better more financially well of league.
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Atletico Madrid have been badly run for years - didn't stop them winning La Liga or coming a bawhair away from winning the Champions League in May. Dr Mueller's point about teams having no money but still buying players is unfortunately accurate. If a badly run team off the park makes half decent appointments on it, then it can hide a multitude of sins for a while.

Two season ago we made the last 16 of the CL. Last year we sold some our best players and in the main (VVD excepted) they weren't replaced with like. As a result we scraped into the Group Stage of the CL and were probably one of the poorest teams in the competition at that stage.

This year we have got rid of Samaras. Forster will almost certainly leave this summer and would anyone put money on VVD staying ? I suspect that this will be another window where we will have regressed. If Sevco make it back to the SPFL and were to appoint a half decent manager (yes I know, a big if) then the idea that won't challenge us for the title is fanciful.

Most teams go into the close season looking to strengthen. We are the exception to that rule. We aim to sell first and hope that by rummaging about Europe's bargain basement we can replace like with like. Its a high risk strategy that will make it harder for the manager to qualify for the CL group stages and runs a real risk of the team being weaker on 1st September than it was a year earlier. If we do fail to qualify for the CL it almost certainly will be the case. But hey, there appears plenty of folk who think that PL and the board are doing a great job.
Edited by Corky Buczek, 30 Jul 2014, 12:35 AM.
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30 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM
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29 Jul 2014, 10:52 PM
dr mueller
29 Jul 2014, 09:53 PM
Some are describing them as a "recently promoted outfit", wildly disregarding the fact that their global branding is as far reaching as ours.
funny that. their former director hugh adam doesnt agree
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He is adamant that Rangers do not have the customer base to improve their financial standing through merchandising. "Rangers’ so-called global appeal is a myth," he said. "When I was there, we did an exercise which involved asking 50,000 fans on the database to recommend a friend or a relative abroad.

"A big response was expected - some were even talking about getting 100,000 names - because everybody in Scotland seems to know somebody abroad.

"We got back 2,800 names and three-quarters of them didn’t know they had been nominated. It’s no surprise that Celtic are officially the best-supported football club in North America, with more official clubs than anybody else. The difference is the Irish connection.

"Many Irish people may support Manchester United, Liverpool or whoever, but they all - every one of them - have an affection for Celtic. And, of course, Celtic also have a great Scottish following.

"The difference is that, while the Irish all have an allegiance to Parkhead, there are millions of Scots who not only don’t support Rangers, but actively dislike them.

"Despite the claims of international appeal, Rangers are, essentially, a West of Scotland club. They talk of supporters’ buses leaving from all parts of Scotland, but if you look closely, you’ll see there aren’t many from each area and they are not all full.[/b]
mmm I would take this seemingly cast iron assurance of non-pertinence with a certain degree of suspicion, potentially from someone whose stint within their org has turned sour or with the express intent of lowering clout while facing creditors.

Nevertheless, thanks for posting that, interesting to say the least.

Maybe my perception is clouded by the fact that their registered supporters outnumber ours in Montreal, or that they seem to match up pretty well in southern Ontario, South Africa and parts of Australia.

I'm also suspicious of the massive amount of expats/1-16th Irish-Americans/middle class 26-Counties kids who treasure Celtic as a second or third team; those demographics are the ones we're most likely to lose if the recent and current stalemate persists.

I do think there's an obvious gap there, but one not as large as to prevent them from appealing to interests beyond Scotland.
You mention "parts of Australia"?

huns don't come anywhere near the number of Celtic supporters in Oz.
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mmm I would take this seemingly cast iron assurance of non-pertinence with a certain degree of suspicion, potentially from someone whose stint within their org has turned sour or with the express intent of lowering clout while facing creditors.

Nevertheless, thanks for posting that, interesting to say the least.

Maybe my perception is clouded by the fact that their registered supporters outnumber ours in Montreal, or that they seem to match up pretty well in southern Ontario, South Africa and parts of Australia.

I'm also suspicious of the massive amount of expats/1-16th Irish-Americans/middle class 26-Counties kids who treasure Celtic as a second or third team; those demographics are the ones we're most likely to lose if the recent and current stalemate persists.

I do think there's an obvious gap there, but one not as large as to prevent them from appealing to interests beyond Scotland.
:lol:


You are either a really pessimistic Celtic fan or a really optimistic Sevcoite :thumbsup:
Was expecting that at some point.

Which point do you disagree with? How does that make me a pessimist? Au contraire, I've come to accept the limitations our League posits and actually go back to the original reason I got into this mess to begin with, ie the community built around the Club and the unequaled pride in what it means to so many.

A lot of folk on here don't seem to see the proverbial forest from the trees. "Board does this! Board does that!" etc when in reality, as sobering as it may be to countenance, the answer lies in a much wider spectrum, totally subservient to micro and macro economics, similar in fact to as if we were talking about a branch of Asda in EK.

I got into Celtic in the early '90s, on successive extended stays as an observer for a Quebec union in Dungannon and Bellaghy. At first, it was stopping the ten. Then, we all rode on the inebriating MON wave. The Strachan years were almost unwatchable( domestically ), but hey the titles kept coming home. Then, gradually, it slowly stopped being funny as an almost unrecognizable Celtic park experience added to the misery of a very average squad.

And there you have it. We all want to be entertained, and boy are we ages gone from Thom and co., but the current stalemate might just be the key to the Club ridding itself of those "customers" who come and go with results and "prestige"( people who shout down those trying to start a song, or applaud the exit of the Green brigade, or couldn't care less about the living wage issue thus reinforcing a management model they'll otherwise rail against etc etc ), steering it back toward what's left of its initial collective spirit and strengthening it again. A sort of cleansing if you will, hopefully protecting the idea of Celtic from the volatile variables strictly accountable to the business dimension.

Just look at the intriguing developments regarding a standing section, for instance. No way this is even considered by the board if there's not a least a modicum of support disenchantment with the product on the pitch.

The single most responsible factor of the growing gap between Scotland and the continent, IMO, is the gentrification of football and rise as an all-encompassing vibrant mass consumer monolith. Trust me, anything that puts a dent in that phenomenon is ultimately good for Celtic, as we've made very little from it bar shirt sales in the US. Question becomes: is it reversible? We'll see.

I'm sure there's countless twists and turns left on that trail, we'll see. But the current setup guarantees that something's gotta give either way. Those who stand by the Club through this extended barren spell are likely to be rewarded in the end.

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He wasn't calling you a pessimist I don't think. ;)

French. In italics :lol:

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I got into Celtic in the early '90s, on successive extended stays as an observer for a Quebec union in Dungannon and Bellaghy. At first, it was stopping the ten. Then, we all rode on the inebriating MON wave. The Strachan years were almost unwatchable( domestically ), but hey the titles kept coming home. Then, gradually, it slowly stopped being funny as an almost unrecognisable Celtic park experience added to the misery of a very average squad.


Unrecognisable from the early 90s when you started going you say? Hard to argue with that. :)
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He wasn't calling you a pessimist I don't think. ;)

French. In italics :lol:

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I got into Celtic in the early '90s, on successive extended stays as an observer for a Quebec union in Dungannon and Bellaghy. At first, it was stopping the ten. Then, we all rode on the inebriating MON wave. The Strachan years were almost unwatchable( domestically ), but hey the titles kept coming home. Then, gradually, it slowly stopped being funny as an almost unrecognisable Celtic park experience added to the misery of a very average squad.


Unrecognisable from the early 90s when you started going you say? Hard to argue with that. :)
:lol: hey, free lessons if you want to impress your date. Plus, I'll add the interminable over-analysis language tricks they all crave!
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There is more chance of us winning the champions league with stokes scoring 20 goals than the huns winning a treble within 20 years.
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There is more chance of us winning the champions league with stokes scoring 20 goals than the huns winning a treble within 20 years.
:lol: But that says nothing though, as even we can't do it with a seemingly free run at it
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