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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,896 Views)
MILLIGANS ISLAND
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Relatively happy with our business this window. Ronny highlighted the lack of pace up front and that we needed to strengthen the forward areas and the board have just done that. They have supported him, now he has to do the rest.

The loan deals were prudent as we can't really afford another season in the transfer market producing pukkis,banguras and baldes.
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Yer talking crap mate. Window opened on 9th June. I did not make my first comment on the 16th of June - or anywhere near it.

So you are happy with the window then? Fine. We'll have to disagree on that one. Lots of loan signings and one signed for cash on the last day of the window after a U turn on behalf of the player. What would constitute an embatassing window in your opinion?
I didn't say I was happy with it, mate.

All I said was that the window wasn't an embarrassment at the point at which you said it was an embarrassment. People saying "let's give it a few weeks" a few weeks ago are not necessarily happy with the window now that those few weeks have passed and the window is closed.
The reason I made my point about it being embarrassing was in relation to the upcoming CL qualifiers. We'd known for months that we'd have crucial CL games in July/early August. We should have had some signings in quick at the start of the window to get them ready for those games. All we got was Craig Gordon who wasn't going to play in those early games anyway. And look how it all turned out.
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4 Sep 2014, 04:29 PM
Relatively happy with our business this window. Ronny highlighted the lack of pace up front and that we needed to strengthen the forward areas and the board have just done that. They have supported him, now he has to do the rest.

The loan deals were prudent as we can't really afford another season in the transfer market producing pukkis,banguras and baldes.
"can't really afford another season in the transfer market producing pukkis,banguras and baldes."
So we should scale back our scouting and signing policy because of the mistakes Park/PL and possibly NL made in the past.
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4 Sep 2014, 01:13 PM
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4 Sep 2014, 12:48 PM
Is Lennon still being paid by the club as a means of stopping him talking about why he left? And does that stop him getting another job for 12 months?
I think it's more a case of Lenny being too dignified and caring too much about Celtic that would stop him revealing stuff like that.

He's got a shed load of dignity, given that Lawwell effectively blamed him for signing all the duds by telling us the he (Lawwell) and Park had nothing to do with any player signings, and that that was all the work of the manager. If I was Lennon, I'd be wanting to protect my reputation for spotting a player.
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Overall I'm pleased with the players brought in and the ones shipped out. Lawell has really alienated himself from the fans though.

Who knows when it's all going to kick off again.
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4 Sep 2014, 09:30 PM


Who knows when it's all going to kick off again.
Next game we don't win. :thumbsup:
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4 Sep 2014, 09:30 PM
Overall I'm pleased with the players brought in and the ones shipped out. Lawell has really alienated himself from the fans though.

Who knows when it's all going to kick off again.
Agree with this.

Gordon looks like a great piece of business. Denayer looks reasonably decent - although he will struggle in the air in Scotland - and I'm excited about Wakaso, Scepovic and Guidetti. They could, of course, all turn out to be rubbish.

Not convinced about Berget yet and I'll be (pleasantly) surprised if Tonev turns out to be decent.

Delighted we've kept a hold of VVD and delighted to get some serious dead wood wasters shipped out.

However...

Going into the qualifiers against Legia and Maribor with Stokes as our main striker was, to say the least, not good. We've needed a bit more quality and a greater physical presence up front since Hooper left (and I'd argue even before he left). Balde, Griffiths and Pukki have not remedied that situation and we should have got a striker in before the most important games of our season.

I also still think we could do with an actual defensive midfielder.
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4 Sep 2014, 04:29 PM
Relatively happy with our business this window.
The loan deals were prudent. . .
Really? I think it was a complete shambles of a window, for a club with (we are told) Champions League ambitions.

We let our star player go before the key qualifier, and also sold a striker who can actually score, again before the qualifiers. We went in to these games with a mixture of stokes and pukki up front.... one who cannot score against anyone better than Falkirk, and the other who is a gutless airse who never tried a leg.

We finally brought in a couple of strikers, but we have no idea if they'll be any good, as they were brought in on the last day, after we had been knocked out by Legia. And then knocked out again by Maribor.

meantime, we had brought in 4 guys on loan from english clubs reserve teams (imaginative), one of whom was actually injured when we signed him. One of these loanees is a 19 year old 5'10'' centre half, who has never played senior football. He is now one of our starting defenders.

Oh... we did replace our star keeper though - by taking a punt on a guy who was on the dole, and has been injured for 2 years.

Yip..... a really satisfying window, conducted incredibly professionally.

:ffs:

Aiden McGeady it seems is in agreement with those of us who feel it is an effin shambles.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2744285/Aiden-McGeady-hits-Celtic-chiefs-club-s-Champions-League-failure.html
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I am happy with the signings that were eventually made but the board left it way too late and cost us a place in the Champions League. They have embarrassed the club and alienated themselves from the support.

We were in a position to spend before selling but we chose to gamble and failed..........twice.
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4 Sep 2014, 04:09 PM
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4 Sep 2014, 02:02 PM
Cant say im too unhappy with our signings this window. 1 (or maybe even 2) promising strikers, 3 new pacy attacking mids, cover at CH and a GK. The loan to buy arrangements i'm all for too, if they help us avoid being lumbered with another Pukki or Balde it's a smart move. Hell we even managed to shift some of the dross too. All in all, not a bad window, certainly better than some (Flood, Griffiths anyone ?)

Where i am unhappy is when these deals were done. Not getting players in before the qualifiers was downright negligent from the board. The fact that they were just repeating the mistakes of the previous year makes it so much worse. I'm in the (tiny) minority that thinks we shouldn't sack Lawwell but i'd love to see us hire a Director of Football type who would handle transfer negotiations, with Park kicked back to scouting and Lawwell to dealing with the running of the club.
You think Lawwell would take a drop in salary? And if not, you want us to spend more on admin staff than we already spend?

The wages paid to Lawwell are a disgrace, he is significantly overpaid. He also has a role that carries no real responsibility in his pseudo-DoF position. That is unacceptable.

He has overseen a disasterous start to the season, and continues to push down the overall wage player to player, year on year, and all at a time when the remuneration committee allows his wages to be at levels far and above what should be being paid to the CEO of a small company in Scotland.

The incompetence levels shown by the BoD are significant. They appear to have learned nothing. Signings on deadline day instead of in the close season. We have been utter cack this season, we could easily have purchased the likes of May and Armstrong at the end of last season. At the time there would have been a "pfft" from most of the supporters, but, given the guff we have seen this season, we would have been in a better shape to play in Europe with those two playing than the likes of Pukki, Stokes, Berget and Johannsen.

Lawwell likes his soundbites, and to tell all us numpties that the loss of Rangers has cost the club 10m per year. It hasnt Pete, its the dross you put on the pitch that has cost the club significant drops in its matchday revenues. You wont see 55K season ticketholders next season even if huns v2.0 is in the league, and thats again because of the dross youve put on the pitch. Moving from Hooper to Pukki, Ledley to Johanssen, Wanyama to Mulgrew etc etc are the most major issue, and bringing through virtually no homegrown talent, or even scouting scottish talent to be added to the first team squad. Signing players on the last day of the window achieves what exactly? Perhaps getting through a Europa League group?

Or is it perhaps because our Norwegian Haddie might not have been able to win the league without the new recruits? If its the latter, then thats a poor reflection on all concerned.

Our support appreciates that we cannot compete for players with english clubs, but what we cannot accept is that the money thats brought into the club isnt then spent wisely, and at the right time. And for the past two years at least, thats been the case. Lawwell's coat shouldnt even be on a shoogily peg, it should be beyond that.
:suspect: You do know i'm not Peter Lawwell right?

As far as Lawwell's wages go, i couldn't give an eff. He's still in the job because Desmond and the rest of the board dont seem to reckon they can get someone better for cheaper, if they eventually find someone who can, great.

As far as wanting the club to spend more on admin staff than we already do, absolutely yes i do. I want someone who can negotiate a transfer in a more timely manner (relieving Lawwell of his "pseudo-DoF role") and if that costs us an extra half mil a year then so be it. Getting some players in before the qualifiers this season could have made us far far more than that.

You actually want us to spend more on admin? And you don't care how much Lawwell earns? You do get the point that we are wasting money, right ?
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I don't know if anybody really knows what we have in this window. Lots of speculation. For all we know Lawell and company have come home with magic beans.

The only thing that seems to be clear, is a recognition that past buys have not good enough.... Balde and Pukki shipped out. So clear is this fact that now we have a policy of loans i.e. A trial for a year before we buy.
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4 Sep 2014, 09:30 PM
Overall I'm pleased with the players brought in and the ones shipped out. Lawell has really alienated himself from the fans though.

Who knows when it's all going to kick off again.
Did it kick off? As far as I could see there was a slight ripple of discontent at 2 games and that was it. There's not enough numbers who can be bothered for it to kick off.
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tinytim81
4 Sep 2014, 09:30 PM
Overall I'm pleased with the players brought in and the ones shipped out. Lawell has really alienated himself from the fans though.

Who knows when it's all going to kick off again.
Did it kick off? As far as I could see there was a slight ripple of discontent at 2 games and that was it. There's not enough numbers who can be bothered for it to kick off.
Fans wanting the board and manager sacked and quite a few players never to pull on the jersey again is probably a bit more than a 'slight ripple of discontent'
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How can anyone be happy with that transfer window?

Irrespective of the quality of the players signing the number of loanees we have isn't exactly stabilising. Lets assume 4 of them become mainstays of our 'system' and RD's philosophy, we could potentially lose them at the end of the season and back to scratch.

Take into account the fact our defence has been rank rotten all season we should possibly have looked at another defender or two(although this is possibly jsut down to the gaffers coaching).
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How can anyone be happy with that transfer window?

Irrespective of the quality of the players signing the number of loanees we have isn't exactly stabilising. Lets assume 4 of them become mainstays of our 'system' and RD's philosophy, we could potentially lose them at the end of the season and back to scratch.

Take into account the fact our defence has been rank rotten all season we should possibly have looked at another defender or two(although this is possibly jsut down to the gaffers coaching).
I think you underestimate how much of a pull it will be for a player if he feels he is part of a team that is developing
and with the potential for something good to come together.

If our new guys turn out good and we perform well they will likely be happy to stick around and see if they can
have a crack at the CL as its unlikely they will get the chance elsewhere.

Its been ages since we had a decent transfer window, but we still see a couple of decent players stand out each year.

I think this year could be a real surprise package.
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Take into account the fact our defence has been rank rotten all season we should possibly have looked at another defender or two(although this is possibly jsut down to the gaffers coaching).
I don't think it's down to the gaffers coaching that Izzy is a total liability and has been for a while now. He's undroppable as we don't seem to have a decent replacement at the club.
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I don't think anyone can say they are unhappy or happy with our signings until we actually see how they perform in our team.The fact that we never brought in these players before the legia game and then even worse before the Maribor game was to me gross negligence.If we were willing to spend £2m on a striker after the Maribor game why did we not bring a striker in before the Maribor game which was worth £15m to us?
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How can anyone be happy with that transfer window?

Irrespective of the quality of the players signing the number of loanees we have isn't exactly stabilising. Lets assume 4 of them become mainstays of our 'system' and RD's philosophy, we could potentially lose them at the end of the season and back to scratch.

Take into account the fact our defence has been rank rotten all season we should possibly have looked at another defender or two(although this is possibly jsut down to the gaffers coaching).
I think you underestimate how much of a pull it will be for a player if he feels he is part of a team that is developing
and with the potential for something good to come together.

If our new guys turn out good and we perform well they will likely be happy to stick around and see if they can
have a crack at the CL as its unlikely they will get the chance elsewhere.

Its been ages since we had a decent transfer window, but we still see a couple of decent players stand out each year.

I think this year could be a real surprise package.
See your point mate but realistically, lets say as before 4 become mainstays. Can you really see us signing all 4 on a permanent basis?

We should only look to have two loanees in IMO. Obviously there is short term benefits but it should be used within reason.
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5 Sep 2014, 01:47 PM
I don't think anyone can say they are unhappy or happy with our signings until we actually see how they perform in our team.The fact that we never brought in these players before the legia game and then even worse before the Maribor game was to me gross negligence.If we were willing to spend £2m on a striker after the Maribor game why did we not bring a striker in before the Maribor game which was worth £15m to us?
Lawwell gambled, as he has done at other key times, and the manager he chose to replace the guy he fell out with proved at least at this stage he is out of his depth.

Who would have thought a guy coming from Norwegian football to a hight pressure job would have struggled with CL qualification?
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5 Sep 2014, 01:31 PM
Franakamura
5 Sep 2014, 01:25 PM
How can anyone be happy with that transfer window?

Irrespective of the quality of the players signing the number of loanees we have isn't exactly stabilising. Lets assume 4 of them become mainstays of our 'system' and RD's philosophy, we could potentially lose them at the end of the season and back to scratch.

Take into account the fact our defence has been rank rotten all season we should possibly have looked at another defender or two(although this is possibly jsut down to the gaffers coaching).
I think you underestimate how much of a pull it will be for a player if he feels he is part of a team that is developing
and with the potential for something good to come together.

If our new guys turn out good and we perform well they will likely be happy to stick around and see if they can
have a crack at the CL as its unlikely they will get the chance elsewhere.

Its been ages since we had a decent transfer window, but we still see a couple of decent players stand out each year.

I think this year could be a real surprise package.
See your point mate but realistically, lets say as before 4 become mainstays. Can you really see us signing all 4 on a permanent basis?

We should only look to have two loanees in IMO. Obviously there is short term benefits but it should be used within reason.
If by then they have formed a decent backbone to the squad and we tackle the CL qualifiers with a settled squad
and a bit of talent, then yeah I could see us signing them. If not for another year loan, then at least because we
haven't really spent eff all this year.

Of course next year could well see a repeat of bringing in a number of loans but I'm not so sure its the worst way
to do business any more.

These guys are unlikely to want to succeed less in the Hoops just because their owned by another club.

They will probably have no more affiliation to their parent club as most players these days, unless already playing
for their boyhood club think of their careers as their personal journey.

If they sense they can win a few trophies, and be part of something exciting they will probably stay longer.
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