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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,902 Views)
paulfg42
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Clydebank Bhoy
31 Aug 2014, 10:39 PM
paulfg42
31 Aug 2014, 10:32 PM
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31 Aug 2014, 10:25 PM
Who would the new owner likely be, and would they make all that much of a difference? Unless it was some madcap billionaire - which comes with its own problems - then we'd likely get more of the same.
Or some well-known businessman who saw Celtic as a cash cow?
We're not a cash cow. Nothing like that at all. In fact, we'd be a horrible investment from a pure financial perspective.
We've made some pretty decent profits in recent seasons.
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31 Aug 2014, 10:32 PM

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We're not a cash cow. Nothing like that at all. In fact, we'd be a horrible investment from a pure financial perspective.
We've made some pretty decent profits in recent seasons.
True, but the cash has all been retained within the club. It's just not been spent as of today.
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DD selling his shares is possible although who would buy them? The huns are going under, again, and our squad is of such an appalling standard that we have no chance of making any headway in Europe in the near future, a miracle barring.

Outwith a fan buy-out I can't see it happening.
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jamiebhoy76
31 Aug 2014, 10:49 PM
DD selling his shares is possible although who would buy them? The huns are going under, again, and our squad is of such an appalling standard that we have no chance of making any headway in Europe in the near future, a miracle barring.

Outwith a fan buy-out I can't see it happening.
I see that fat Ashley winker buying the huns in the near future.

He is probably just waiting for the most opportune moment, even if it means them going in to Administration
again first.
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jamiebhoy76
31 Aug 2014, 10:49 PM
DD selling his shares is possible although who would buy them? The huns are going under, again, and our squad is of such an appalling standard that we have no chance of making any headway in Europe in the near future, a miracle barring.

Outwith a fan buy-out I can't see it happening.
This, Desmond possibly might want to sell his shares , but seriously who on earth would want to buy them.

Scottish football is in terminal decline and unless there is a ruling from UEFA about the distribution of TV money it will slowly die.

in saying all this however, the way we are being run by the present board is an outrage and they must be shampooting themselves the way its turned out.

hell mend them.
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Just read this article, and I find it utterly depressing:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/peter-lawwell-admits-rangers-absence-from-top-flight-has-left-celtic-with-a-10m-black.25192380

In essence, from my reading, what we are being told is that we (the game in Scotland and Celtic) desperately need the sevco pound with all the bile and pish that comes with it in order to survive and grow!

I've been fairly convinced that we would see Sevco go "t!ts up" this season as their current financial situation is clearly unsustainable (without aid they will not finish this season), but it seems that there's an ongoing all-out campaign to convince fans of all teams that we all need the Sevco pound in the premiership otherwise Scottish football is finished - I'm alarmed that this nonsense of a campaign is now being publicly spearheaded by our board.

Edited by St. Peter, 1 Sep 2014, 01:51 AM.
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1 Sep 2014, 01:50 AM
Just read this article, and I find it utterly depressing:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/peter-lawwell-admits-rangers-absence-from-top-flight-has-left-celtic-with-a-10m-black.25192380

In essence, from my reading, what we are being told is that we (the game in Scotland and Celtic) desperately need the sevco pound with all the bile and pish that comes with it in order to survive and grow!

I've been fairly convinced that we would see Sevco go "t!ts up" this season as their current financial situation is clearly unsustainable (without aid they will not finish this season), but it seems that there's an ongoing all-out campaign to convince fans of all teams that we all need the Sevco pound in the premiership otherwise Scottish football is finished - I'm alarmed that this nonsense of a campaign is now being publicly spearheaded by our board.

Just a reminder.... Celtic's income in the last two years Rangers were in the top tier totalled 104m. In the two years without them it has totalled (at the very least) 135m.
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murphio
1 Sep 2014, 01:59 AM
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1 Sep 2014, 01:50 AM
Just read this article, and I find it utterly depressing:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/peter-lawwell-admits-rangers-absence-from-top-flight-has-left-celtic-with-a-10m-black.25192380

In essence, from my reading, what we are being told is that we (the game in Scotland and Celtic) desperately need the sevco pound with all the bile and pish that comes with it in order to survive and grow!

I've been fairly convinced that we would see Sevco go "t!ts up" this season as their current financial situation is clearly unsustainable (without aid they will not finish this season), but it seems that there's an ongoing all-out campaign to convince fans of all teams that we all need the Sevco pound in the premiership otherwise Scottish football is finished - I'm alarmed that this nonsense of a campaign is now being publicly spearheaded by our board.

Just a reminder.... Celtic's income in the last two years Rangers were in the top tier totalled 104m. In the two years without them it has totalled (at the very least) 135m.
I wonder if our profit figures show a similar trend for the last two years Rangers were in the premiership and the last two years when Sevco bounced about the lower leagues?

I'm trying to get my head around their current strategy - as after reading that article, I'm at a loss. We wouldn't have had to spend way beyond our means to qualify for the CL this season, I think that's been fairly obvious. It was also blatantly obvious to every fan that the team needed investment. We'd still have made a profit if we'd qualified. Why didn't they do it?

To bring up Rangers now is an excuse, it's a ridiculous excuse. Perhaps they took the gamble not to invest (to generate more profit for themselves), perhaps a PL convinced everyone on the board that we would qualify for the CL with what we had, and when it completely back-fired he's came-out with "ah, but Rangers aren't in the league, if only they were we could buy better players!" as a shallow way of covering his back-side.

Unless they way they are looking at it is this: as a profit-driven club you'd want to maximize your Scottish football profit first, on an annual basis, forget CL or EL (those are considered as bonuses). Your Scottish football income/profit is your bread and butter (your baseline) and in order to maximize it the hun/Sevco pound is needed. Who cares about the consequences for our fans having to deal with Sevco's fans, at the end of the day those 4 games per season brings in essential income/profit. We need it for our business model. Anything over and above that is a bonus whether it be CL or EL.

As I say, I'd like to get my head around their thinking... as I'd like to see something more positive than what I currently see.

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Totally scunnered leaving aside any behind the scenes machinations the departure of Lenny and the lack of support for Ronny are dreadful. No coherent strategy at all. The one time I met PL he stated confidently that we would win the league in MON's last season. Look how that turned out...
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I do believe that only Celtic could de-stabilize themselves and turn their fans angry towards them from a position of immense strength in a one horse crappy league.

#celticfamily #believe #because #bollocks
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St. Peter
1 Sep 2014, 01:50 AM
Just read this article, and I find it utterly depressing:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/peter-lawwell-admits-rangers-absence-from-top-flight-has-left-celtic-with-a-10m-black.25192380

In essence, from my reading, what we are being told is that we (the game in Scotland and Celtic) desperately need the sevco pound with all the bile and pish that comes with it in order to survive and grow!

I've been fairly convinced that we would see Sevco go "t!ts up" this season as their current financial situation is clearly unsustainable (without aid they will not finish this season), but it seems that there's an ongoing all-out campaign to convince fans of all teams that we all need the Sevco pound in the premiership otherwise Scottish football is finished - I'm alarmed that this nonsense of a campaign is now being publicly spearheaded by our board.

Do you know, if he put a decent football team on the park, paid the staff a living wage, not fecked over the Green Brigade & did that bit extra to get bums on seats, then we would not need the huns and their filthy bigoted, lucre (or lack thereof).
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I tell you something - if we do eff all today - it really could kick off with the fans. I would like to think there would be some action against the club/board.
Its a effing shambles
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My guess is that people want out. Any serious discontent will see them say, well, if this is the thanks we get for out time, effort and money then you can buy our shares here.
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1 Sep 2014, 01:59 AM
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1 Sep 2014, 01:50 AM
Just read this article, and I find it utterly depressing:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/peter-lawwell-admits-rangers-absence-from-top-flight-has-left-celtic-with-a-10m-black.25192380

In essence, from my reading, what we are being told is that we (the game in Scotland and Celtic) desperately need the sevco pound with all the bile and pish that comes with it in order to survive and grow!

I've been fairly convinced that we would see Sevco go "t!ts up" this season as their current financial situation is clearly unsustainable (without aid they will not finish this season), but it seems that there's an ongoing all-out campaign to convince fans of all teams that we all need the Sevco pound in the premiership otherwise Scottish football is finished - I'm alarmed that this nonsense of a campaign is now being publicly spearheaded by our board.

Just a reminder.... Celtic's income in the last two years Rangers were in the top tier totalled 104m. In the two years without them it has totalled (at the very least) 135m.
We lost £10m turnover as a result of Rangers demise.

On the face of it we replaced it with £30-40m turn-over of something else (some of this transfer fees on both years).

The second statement doesn't make the first untrue, and £10m of turnover isn't easy to come by.
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1 Sep 2014, 11:27 AM
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1 Sep 2014, 01:59 AM
St. Peter
1 Sep 2014, 01:50 AM
Just read this article, and I find it utterly depressing:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/peter-lawwell-admits-rangers-absence-from-top-flight-has-left-celtic-with-a-10m-black.25192380

In essence, from my reading, what we are being told is that we (the game in Scotland and Celtic) desperately need the sevco pound with all the bile and pish that comes with it in order to survive and grow!

I've been fairly convinced that we would see Sevco go "t!ts up" this season as their current financial situation is clearly unsustainable (without aid they will not finish this season), but it seems that there's an ongoing all-out campaign to convince fans of all teams that we all need the Sevco pound in the premiership otherwise Scottish football is finished - I'm alarmed that this nonsense of a campaign is now being publicly spearheaded by our board.

Just a reminder.... Celtic's income in the last two years Rangers were in the top tier totalled 104m. In the two years without them it has totalled (at the very least) 135m.
We lost £10m turnover as a result of Rangers demise.

On the face of it we replaced it with £30-40m turn-over of something else (some of this transfer fees on both years).

The second statement doesn't make the first untrue, and £10m of turnover isn't easy to come by.
It's a lot easier to come by if you have no domestic competition to prevent you qualifying for the CL every year.
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Lawell on SSN looks like a rabbit in the headlights - unusually for him - he is usually very assured in interviews. Maybe he knows the game is up?
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1 Sep 2014, 11:27 AM
We lost £10m turnover as a result of Rangers demise.

No, we didn't. The figures are clear. Income has increased significantly since Rangers disappeared. In their last year in the top tier our income was 51m and included the sale of McGeady and McManus. Last year it was 75m and included a record five year profit. No matter how you break it down that is a fact.
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1 Sep 2014, 12:39 PM
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1 Sep 2014, 11:27 AM
We lost £10m turnover as a result of Rangers demise.

No, we didn't. The figures are clear. Income has increased significantly since Rangers disappeared. In their last year in the top tier our income was 51m and included the sale of McGeady and McManus. Last year it was 75m and included a record five year profit. No matter how you break it down that is a fact.
Yep, the fly bassa is probably including the £100 'discount' off season tickets in those figures and other losses incorporated due to the lower attendances
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1 Sep 2014, 12:45 PM
murphio
1 Sep 2014, 12:39 PM
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1 Sep 2014, 11:27 AM
We lost £10m turnover as a result of Rangers demise.

No, we didn't. The figures are clear. Income has increased significantly since Rangers disappeared. In their last year in the top tier our income was 51m and included the sale of McGeady and McManus. Last year it was 75m and included a record five year profit. No matter how you break it down that is a fact.
Yep, the fly bassa is probably including the £100 'discount' off season tickets in those figures and other losses incorporated due to the lower attendances
He is including that - he was open and honest about it. He also estimated the derby games were worth 3m a season. All that 'loss' is neither here nor there though, in actuality Celtic have prospered without Rangers for two reasons; we have had a free run at the Champions League qualifiers and the fact that Scotland only has one participant means we don't have to share the TV pot. He can cry about his 'lost 10m' all he likes but the fact is Celtic are doing just fine without Rangers. Until this season that is when we somehow managed to flush our £20m golden ticket down the toilet.
Edited by murphio, 1 Sep 2014, 12:57 PM.
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