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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,909 Views)
brogan
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brogan
30 Aug 2014, 12:13 PM
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30 Aug 2014, 12:01 PM

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exactly..........unless all these lawell haters can prove theres money goin amiss or the other claims against him then im on his side......we have to get a fairer deal of sky and uefa....we cannot go on like this...ffffffffcccccccccccccccccccuuuuk sky
Legia and Maribor don't get sky money
and whit,,,theyrer pish tae.
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30 Aug 2014, 02:48 PM
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30 Aug 2014, 01:11 PM
"Selling players ... maintains how we treat our staff"

Really, Peter? Record profits yet we apparently can't afford the living wage? Shameful.
By staff he really means himself. By selling players he can ensure he still take £1million out of the club




I see Lawwell also says that he believes we are at Champions League level. Yes we are. We have a Champions League level stadium. We have a Champions League level training facility. The CEO gets paid Champions League level wages. The team? The team is nowhere near Champions League level. We're lucky if we are even Europa League level in our current state. The club are spending money on all the accoutrements but are neglecting what is the most important part of the business.
Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the board adopt the living wage at the next agm,not because they think it's the right thing to do but because it's a way of deflecting further criticism
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30 Aug 2014, 11:50 AM
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30 Aug 2014, 11:45 AM
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30 Aug 2014, 11:24 AM

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A couple of times throughout my posts I was explaining that I'm not an advocator of everything Lawwell does as well as explaining that I too am unhappy that we didn't get anyone in before the Maribor game. I was simply offering a possible alternative explanation for this failure to get quality players in, instead of simply blaming Lawwell for this. I made the point that I don't believe that the situation is black and white, but for some on here it clearly is and that's alright, it may be. What drains the absolute life out of me is when someone can't post something that goes even a modicum against the generally accepted view that it's all Lawwell's fault by providing an alternative that MAY be closer to the truth. We spent around £3m on Pukki, £2m on Boerrigter, £1.5m on Balde last summer on attacking players. Was it Lawwell's fault that they've all been generally ineffective so far?
He claimed we need to sell players to pay for the day to day running of the club and yet earlier this year we posted a pre tax profit for the half year of 21m. This follows another very healthy profit from the year. Now one way of putting that would be to say he is being economical with the truth. Another would be to say he is a lying bastard.
Okay, let's assume that we don't have to sell players and that Lawell is lying about that (your words not mine).

That means we must have a pile of money but Lawell has no interest in spending it. What reason would he have for hording it exactly?
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Lawwell is "speaking" on BT Sport 1's SportsHUB, this afternoon - actual time unspecified.
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Lawell doing the rounds he's now on BT sport later


to slow at this typing lark :doh:
Edited by hardy, 30 Aug 2014, 03:10 PM.
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30 Aug 2014, 11:50 AM
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He claimed we need to sell players to pay for the day to day running of the club and yet earlier this year we posted a pre tax profit for the half year of 21m. This follows another very healthy profit from the year. Now one way of putting that would be to say he is being economical with the truth. Another would be to say he is a lying bastard.
Okay, let's assume that we don't have to sell players and that Lawell is lying about that (your words not mine).

That means we must have a pile of money but Lawell has no interest in spending it. What reason would he have for hording it exactly?
A bank debt which once sat at 30m has now been completely cleared and we are sitting on a small amount of cash. Not all the money has been reinvested - quite a lot of it was used to pay off debt. That's fine, debt has to be paid some time but at what expense? If we were prepared to carry a small overdraft of say 5m and spend the cash we are sitting on (another 5m) - that would have given us 10m to play with before the Champions League qualifiers. We then would have recouped that money with the sale of Forster. All that is neither here nor there though because the figures are there in black and white. In the last accounts we made public we made a pre-tax profit of over 21m for the six months. It is simply not true, then, to state we need to sell players to keep the lights burning. And if it were true it would be an absolutely damning indictment of board strategy.
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I stress again, if loans are the prudent way to go about our business, why have we only started using them in bulk this window, surely we could have taken more decent level projects on in prior seasons and had a vetting competition as it were.
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Okay, let's assume that we don't have to sell players and that Lawell is lying about that (your words not mine).

That means we must have a pile of money but Lawell has no interest in spending it. What reason would he have for hording it exactly?
A bank debt which once sat at 30m has now been completely cleared and we are sitting on a small amount of cash. Not all the money has been reinvested - quite a lot of it was used to pay off debt. That's fine, debt has to be paid some time but at what expense? If we were prepared to carry a small overdraft of say 5m and spend the cash we are sitting on (another 5m) - that would have given us 10m to play with before the Champions League qualifiers. We then would have recouped that money with the sale of Forster. All that is neither here nor there though because the figures are there in black and white. In the last accounts we made public we made a pre-tax profit of over 21m for the six months. It is simply not true, then, to state we need to sell players to keep the lights burning. And if it were true it would be an absolutely damning indictment of board strategy.
That's the absolute core of the problem here.
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brogan
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Legia and Maribor don't get sky money
and whit,,,theyrer pish tae.
They beat us, with a fraction of our resources.

They have better players than us.

I would have thought the "whit" was obvious.
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and whit,,,theyrer pish tae.
They beat us, with a fraction of our resources.

That is a red herring. We beat Barca with a fraction of their resources. How many times have Legia Warsaw been in the last 16 of the Champions League in the last 15 years? Or even the group stages? What about Maribor? You can't just look at one campaign in isolation because you are comparing oranges and apples. Celtic have out-performed those clubs remarkably over the last number of years.
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I'm a wee bit tired of hearing how great and better the Legia and Maribor players were. It's a whole different game to play in that Celtic jersey than against it.
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30 Aug 2014, 03:46 PM
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They beat us, with a fraction of our resources.

That is a red herring. We beat Barca with a fraction of their resources. How many times have Legia Warsaw been in the last 16 of the Champions League in the last 15 years? Or even the group stages? What about Maribor? You can't just look at one campaign in isolation because you are comparing oranges and apples. Celtic have out-performed those clubs remarkably over the last number of years.
up to a point Murph. Given our resources we should be out-performing them.

The bottom line - for two seasons in a row we went into a CL qualifying campaign totally unprepared. We got away with it - just - last year. This year it has exploded in a way not even a pessimistic burger like me could have expected.

And that is down to PL.
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30 Aug 2014, 03:09 PM
Lawell doing the rounds he's now on BT sport later


to slow at this typing lark :doh:
He'll be on The One Show next at this point....
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That is a red herring. We beat Barca with a fraction of their resources. How many times have Legia Warsaw been in the last 16 of the Champions League in the last 15 years? Or even the group stages? What about Maribor? You can't just look at one campaign in isolation because you are comparing oranges and apples. Celtic have out-performed those clubs remarkably over the last number of years.
up to a point Murph. Given our resources we should be out-performing them.

The bottom line - for two seasons in a row we went into a CL qualifying campaign totally unprepared. We got away with it - just - last year. This year it has exploded in a way not even a pessimistic burger like me could have expected.

And that is down to PL.
We are out-performing them. You can't just look at one campaign in isolation. These comparisons with Maribor and Legia are absolute nonsense. Maribor have only been in the Champions League once before and Legia have never qualified. We need to steer the debate away from these pointless comparisons with other clubs who happened to take advantage of us while in a period of transition.
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30 Aug 2014, 03:09 PM
Lawell doing the rounds he's now on BT sport later


to slow at this typing lark :doh:
He'll be on The One Show next at this point....
In which case, I'd rather he were on Channel 4 News, being interrogated by Jon Snow.
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They beat us, with a fraction of our resources.

That is a red herring. We beat Barca with a fraction of their resources. How many times have Legia Warsaw been in the last 16 of the Champions League in the last 15 years? Or even the group stages? What about Maribor? You can't just look at one campaign in isolation because you are comparing oranges and apples. Celtic have out-performed those clubs remarkably over the last number of years.
We achieved way more than we should have given the difference in quality between us and the likes of Barca. That shouldn't be the case re Legia and Maribor
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That is a red herring. We beat Barca with a fraction of their resources. How many times have Legia Warsaw been in the last 16 of the Champions League in the last 15 years? Or even the group stages? What about Maribor? You can't just look at one campaign in isolation because you are comparing oranges and apples. Celtic have out-performed those clubs remarkably over the last number of years.
We achieved way more than we should have given the difference in quality between us and the likes of Barca. That shouldn't be the case re Legia and Maribor
It shouldn't be the case for anyone with greater resources but football doesn't quite work like that. Man City failed to make it out of the groups in the same season we made the last 16. If you want to make comparisons then do it over a prolonged period of time - not by taking a snapshot of one period of transition.
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Maybe we are bringing the debt back to zero so DD can sell.
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We achieved way more than we should have given the difference in quality between us and the likes of Barca. That shouldn't be the case re Legia and Maribor
It shouldn't be the case for anyone with greater resources but football doesn't quite work like that. Man City failed to make it out of the groups in the same season we made the last 16. If you want to make comparisons then do it over a prolonged period of time - not by taking a snapshot of one period of transition.
The period we're talking about though is one where glaring deficiencies in the team haven't been fixee. Even when we had Hooper we needed another quality striker.
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