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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,910 Views)
Wanyerma
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brogan
30 Aug 2014, 12:13 PM
warbleshinney
30 Aug 2014, 12:01 PM
JamesJoyce
30 Aug 2014, 10:18 AM
Lawell yet again showing his contempt for Celtic fans. The man is a disease on our club and he must be removed.
If we are going to use emotive terms like 'disease' then I think they would be better used, not against Lawell who is having to manage with ever decreasing resources in comparison with our neighbours in the EPL.

If anything is a 'disease' it is the grotesque monies SKY is placing into the EPL. It is ruining football.
exactly..........unless all these lawell haters can prove theres money goin amiss or the other claims against him then im on his side......we have to get a fairer deal of sky and uefa....we cannot go on like this...ffffffffcccccccccccccccccccuuuuk sky
Legia and Maribor don't get sky money
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beer_goggler1888
30 Aug 2014, 12:15 PM
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30 Aug 2014, 12:01 PM
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30 Aug 2014, 10:18 AM
Lawell yet again showing his contempt for Celtic fans. The man is a disease on our club and he must be removed.
If we are going to use emotive terms like 'disease' then I think they would be better used, not against Lawell who is having to manage with ever decreasing resources in comparison with our neighbours in the EPL.

If anything is a 'disease' it is the grotesque monies SKY is placing into the EPL. It is ruining football.

We are not in the EPL so we are not affected by it.

Lawwell is a direct cause of decreasing revenue , he's part of the problem. His implementation of failing policies looses us cash hand over fist each year.

Use your brain , Lawwells bullshampoo statement doesn't equal what we see with our own eyes and hasn't even spent a penny on players to back a new manager.

eff the EPL , no bearing on us.
Of course we are affected by the EPL.......

in transfer competition for new players the less fashionable EPL teams can steal any of our prospective targets by offering twice the wages forcing us to look elsewhere for players further down our wanted list.

Once our players do well they are immediately unsettled by EPL interest and can be lured away easily by promise of big wages and the glamour of the so called EPL. Look at V Dijk, and he has only had one complete season with us.

Then there are other intangibles. Our reputation and integrity. We would always have given the English teams a good match - but now, because of the money differential, the gap is yawning - our current team could take a frightening beating from a Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal - and the pundits and media would only be too happy to laugh and denigrate Scottish football.....

We are also no longer attracting the Scottish and Irish young supporters as much as before, as the SKY 'product' is all powerful and they veer towards the 'glamour' of the EPL players and teams.
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Wanyerma
30 Aug 2014, 01:00 PM
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30 Aug 2014, 12:13 PM
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30 Aug 2014, 12:01 PM

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exactly..........unless all these lawell haters can prove theres money goin amiss or the other claims against him then im on his side......we have to get a fairer deal of sky and uefa....we cannot go on like this...ffffffffcccccccccccccccccccuuuuk sky
Legia and Maribor don't get sky money
And how far will Legia (if they had qualified) and Maribor get in the Champions League? Smaller teams will get in to the CL but will generally act as cannon fodder.

Do Legia and Maribor exist in the same country, the UK, that Scotland does, where EPL is dominant at a national level?

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"Selling players ... maintains how we treat our staff"

Really, Peter? Record profits yet we apparently can't afford the living wage? Shameful.
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Don't think anyone would question that Lawwell could get at least his present salary bonus combo in England if he wanted.To be running Celtic you either have to be a Celtic fan and/or off your head..
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Wanyerma
30 Aug 2014, 01:00 PM
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30 Aug 2014, 12:13 PM
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30 Aug 2014, 12:01 PM

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exactly..........unless all these lawell haters can prove theres money goin amiss or the other claims against him then im on his side......we have to get a fairer deal of sky and uefa....we cannot go on like this...ffffffffcccccccccccccccccccuuuuk sky
Legia and Maribor don't get sky money
No... but they also don't have a 'foreign' league in the same country as them - raiding any tv deal they might be entitled to, and basically working against their domestic league. We have a non scottish league, funded by scottish tv subscriptons. Sky has a domestic broadcasting licence in Scotland, takes scottish subscriptions, and uses them to pay for english tv rights, while offering almost zero for the spl. as a consequence, they promote the epl, which in turn raids the spl for players, who don't need to move abroad but can simply change to another (far richer) league in their own country.

This would be fair enough, if scottish clubs could potentially progress to that league, but in the uk football is segregated into different regions, so clubs from scotland an NI cannot attain the money that this uk broadcaster doles out to clubs in the other region (england). If 10 % of sky sports subscriptions come from Scotland, why do we get less than 1% of the tv revenue that the engish league gets... from the same broadcaster?

That all said - you are correct, we should have beaten legia and destroyed Maribor.... that we didn't is a sickening reflection on the way our club is run and managed. Our leadership are running it into the ground, and have appointed a manager who should not even have been given an interview.
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warbleshinney
30 Aug 2014, 01:04 PM
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30 Aug 2014, 12:15 PM
warbleshinney
30 Aug 2014, 12:01 PM

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We are not in the EPL so we are not affected by it.

Lawwell is a direct cause of decreasing revenue , he's part of the problem. His implementation of failing policies looses us cash hand over fist each year.

Use your brain , Lawwells bullshampoo statement doesn't equal what we see with our own eyes and hasn't even spent a penny on players to back a new manager.

eff the EPL , no bearing on us.
Of course we are affected by the EPL.......

in transfer competition for new players the less fashionable EPL teams can steal any of our prospective targets by offering twice the wages forcing us to look elsewhere for players further down our wanted list.

Once our players do well they are immediately unsettled by EPL interest and can be lured away easily by promise of big wages and the glamour of the so called EPL. Look at V Dijk, and he has only had one complete season with us.

Then there are other intangibles. Our reputation and integrity. We would always have given the English teams a good match - but now, because of the money differential, the gap is yawning - our current team could take a frightening beating from a Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal - and the pundits and media would only be too happy to laugh and denigrate Scottish football.....

We are also no longer attracting the Scottish and Irish young supporters as much as before, as the SKY 'product' is all powerful and they veer towards the 'glamour' of the EPL players and teams.

We dont have to compete with the EPL. The EPL no matter how hard they try can't buy every player so stop whining like a Lawwell.

Most European player salaries are lower than we pay on average. Peter Lawwell is talking shampoo to cover his own arse as he sanctions multiple bargain basement buys because their cheap rather than have ability. So the EPL prevented us from spending cash this summer?

Wake up. Maribor and legia warsaw pasted us to a wall , the EPL didnt prevent them from beating us on fractions of cost.

Your on about reputation and integrity? And SKY Tv? Catch a grip.

If we spent a little more on properly scouted footballers on their ability before their affordability or rather "cheapest option" then we would not be in this mess?

Edited by beer_goggler1888, 30 Aug 2014, 01:35 PM.
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paulfg42
30 Aug 2014, 01:11 PM
"Selling players ... maintains how we treat our staff"

Really, Peter? Record profits yet we apparently can't afford the living wage? Shameful.
Picked up on that too.
Shameful comment from Lawwell. :nono:

Edited by Joe the Baker, 30 Aug 2014, 01:36 PM.
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macdahustla69
30 Aug 2014, 12:40 PM
He scored a bundle of goals under Lenny last year and hasnt started a game under Ronny, not given a chance IMHO
7 goals in 15 games (according to Wikipedia ) including a hat trick against Livingston. Not exactly a bundle of goals.

As for the suggestion he wasn't given a chance? Coming to the club was his chance and his off field antics show me he has blown more than one opportunity.
Edited by Lubo The Magician, 30 Aug 2014, 01:51 PM.
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warbleshinney
30 Aug 2014, 01:04 PM
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30 Aug 2014, 12:15 PM
warbleshinney
30 Aug 2014, 12:01 PM

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We are not in the EPL so we are not affected by it.

Lawwell is a direct cause of decreasing revenue , he's part of the problem. His implementation of failing policies looses us cash hand over fist each year.

Use your brain , Lawwells bullshampoo statement doesn't equal what we see with our own eyes and hasn't even spent a penny on players to back a new manager.

eff the EPL , no bearing on us.

We are also no longer attracting the Scottish and Irish young supporters as much as before, as the SKY 'product' is all powerful and they veer towards the 'glamour' of the EPL players and teams.
exactly.

This is compounded by the fact that the epl is covered to saturation point in our (scottish) media. If it was a 'foreign' league, and treated as such by broadcasters in scotland (ie if we had our own broadcasters) then it would be an interesting enough sideshow, but people would continue to follow their own domestic league, as they have done for the previous 100 years or so.

People used to love the Italian football on channel 4 in the 90s, as it was seen as the god i really have a chip on my shoulder about the English at the time. they didn't however stop supporting scottish teams,and become Lazio or Milan fans. With the epl, it is on wall^to^wall coverage on sky sports news etc, so is perceived as THE domestic football competition. Same channel ignores the spl, thows it a pittance in revenue and so is complicit in our league (and herefore our club) being run down in size and profile, and therefore less able to retain any players.
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Why do people keep bringing up the EPL and their finances? We're not in direct competition with them when going for players. Does English teams overpaying for shampoo players mean we suddenly can't go out and buy some players on the continent or in our own league even?
Edited by McStay, 30 Aug 2014, 01:43 PM.
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lenobhoy
30 Aug 2014, 08:33 AM
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30 Aug 2014, 02:54 AM
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30 Aug 2014, 01:22 AM

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Agree totally in regards to Lennon's contribution.
I still don't understand why we didn't get a striker in on time for the Maribor game? Why are we getting him in now? Invest that £2-3 mill in, have the guy ready & that outlay may end up getting you the Champions League place & earning £15-20mill. It's more of a gamble not to invest before these games & end up panic buying.
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Absolutely.

Or, invest another 250k (a pittance really) and get a proven manager in who can maximise your chances of qualifying with this limited squad of players.

Instead, to save money, we appointed somebody who was possibly going to be Lenny's assistant (and who Lenny probably wasn't all that keen on if we are honest).

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30 Aug 2014, 01:34 PM
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30 Aug 2014, 01:04 PM
beer_goggler1888
30 Aug 2014, 12:15 PM

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Of course we are affected by the EPL.......

in transfer competition for new players the less fashionable EPL teams can steal any of our prospective targets by offering twice the wages forcing us to look elsewhere for players further down our wanted list.

Once our players do well they are immediately unsettled by EPL interest and can be lured away easily by promise of big wages and the glamour of the so called EPL. Look at V Dijk, and he has only had one complete season with us.

Then there are other intangibles. Our reputation and integrity. We would always have given the English teams a good match - but now, because of the money differential, the gap is yawning - our current team could take a frightening beating from a Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal - and the pundits and media would only be too happy to laugh and denigrate Scottish football.....

We are also no longer attracting the Scottish and Irish young supporters as much as before, as the SKY 'product' is all powerful and they veer towards the 'glamour' of the EPL players and teams.

We dont have to compete with the EPL. The EPL no matter how hard they try can't buy every player so stop whining like a Lawwell.

Most European player salaries are lower than we pay on average. Peter Lawwell is talking shampoo to cover his own arse as he sanctions multiple bargain basement buys because their cheap rather than have ability. So the EPL prevented us from spending cash this summer?

Wake up. Maribor and legia warsaw pasted us to a wall , the EPL didnt prevent them from beating us on fractions of cost.

Your on about reputation and integrity? And SKY Tv? Catch a grip.

If we spent a little more on properly scouted footballers on their ability before their affordability or rather "cheapest option" then we would not be in this mess?

Exactly !!!

All players coming in should be scouted properly from months in advance. Just throwing players in to the squad and hoping they work, is just not good enough !!

Did we scout PUKKI, BOERRIGTER, BALDE, MIKU, LASSAD or BANGURA ? (and also a Polish guy who I cant remember his name)

If yes then the scouts who recommended these players should get their P45
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Legia and Maribor don't get sky money
And how far will Legia (if they had qualified) and Maribor get in the Champions League? Smaller teams will get in to the CL but will generally act as cannon fodder.

Do Legia and Maribor exist in the same country, the UK, that Scotland does, where EPL is dominant at a national level?

Slovenia is right next door to Italy and Serie A

And the Bundesliga in next door Germany is where most decent Polish players want to play.

They have competition right next door to them and the TV packages you buy includes coverage of those leagues plus the EPL and La Liga. My brother-in-law has Canal Plus in Poland and his house is packed when there is an El Classico on or Man U v Man City or Dortmund v Bayern. Nobody however would bother with Legia v Lech (other than me coz I'm a sad football anorak :ph43r: ).
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30 Aug 2014, 01:57 PM
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30 Aug 2014, 01:34 PM
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30 Aug 2014, 01:04 PM

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We dont have to compete with the EPL. The EPL no matter how hard they try can't buy every player so stop whining like a Lawwell.

Most European player salaries are lower than we pay on average. Peter Lawwell is talking shampoo to cover his own arse as he sanctions multiple bargain basement buys because their cheap rather than have ability. So the EPL prevented us from spending cash this summer?

Wake up. Maribor and legia warsaw pasted us to a wall , the EPL didnt prevent them from beating us on fractions of cost.

Your on about reputation and integrity? And SKY Tv? Catch a grip.

If we spent a little more on properly scouted footballers on their ability before their affordability or rather "cheapest option" then we would not be in this mess?

Exactly !!!

All players coming in should be scouted properly from months in advance. Just throwing players in to the squad and hoping they work, is just not good enough !!

Did we scout PUKKI, BOERRIGTER, BALDE, MIKU, LASSAD or BANGURA ? (and also a Polish guy who I cant remember his name)

If yes then the scouts who recommended these players should get their P45
Brozek, bought to get it up the huns and never played much.

We bought Bangura when it should have been Diawara. There are countless examples but it shows poor planning and strategy that we cannot find a decent striker who will bang in the goals, pay him that bit extra (Giroud) and then keep him (see Hooper). Throw enough shampoo at a wall and eventually it will stick but that this pot luck is not good enough for a club. Buying players has to be done in conjunction with the manager and they need to be brought in for games in which we need to qualify for the Champions League. Not to, is fecking pitiful and causes more risk than keeping yer hands in yer pocket until after those games.

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30 Aug 2014, 01:57 PM
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30 Aug 2014, 01:34 PM
warbleshinney
30 Aug 2014, 01:04 PM

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We dont have to compete with the EPL. The EPL no matter how hard they try can't buy every player so stop whining like a Lawwell.

Most European player salaries are lower than we pay on average. Peter Lawwell is talking shampoo to cover his own arse as he sanctions multiple bargain basement buys because their cheap rather than have ability. So the EPL prevented us from spending cash this summer?

Wake up. Maribor and legia warsaw pasted us to a wall , the EPL didnt prevent them from beating us on fractions of cost.

Your on about reputation and integrity? And SKY Tv? Catch a grip.

If we spent a little more on properly scouted footballers on their ability before their affordability or rather "cheapest option" then we would not be in this mess?

Exactly !!!

All players coming in should be scouted properly from months in advance. Just throwing players in to the squad and hoping they work, is just not good enough !!

Did we scout PUKKI, BOERRIGTER, BALDE, MIKU, LASSAD or BANGURA ? (and also a Polish guy who I cant remember his name)

If yes then the scouts who recommended these players should get their P45


We do scout players of better quality but won't pay the extra cash for them.

Lennon continually banged his head of a wall because lawwell alwsys bought players from the bottom of the list.

Quantity over quality. Lawwell has the final say then big panic button pushed and late in a window we get whatever the agent of the week is pushing.

All too familiar tale.
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Let's assume for a moment what Lawwell says is accurate. In order to keep the lights burning Celtic have to sell players. Is that in itself not an admission of incredible recklessness? At this moment in time we have one saleable asset left, possibly two. When van Dijk goes and Commons signs a new deal we are left with no one we can sell. What happens to the shortfall in income then? If the above were true it would be an absolutely damning indictment on the Celtic board that in order to pay basic bills they must sell the family silver. Of course, the above is not accurate. If it were Celtic would be making a loss or at best breaking even. But that isn't the case. We are highly profitable. Which makes Lawwell's statement all the more bizarre - he is prepared to admit to a situation in which the club's financial wellbeing is being gambled against the highly volatile nature of the sale of intangible assets when that clearly isn't the case. Incredible, really.
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30 Aug 2014, 01:11 PM
"Selling players ... maintains how we treat our staff"

Really, Peter? Record profits yet we apparently can't afford the living wage? Shameful.
Picked up on that too.
Shameful comment from Lawwell. :nono:

Don't think that's an accident. Wouldn't be surprised to see the resolution passed at the next AGM.
Would buy much needed favour for the board at little expense. Call me a cynic............

Either way, would be glad to see it happen.
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30 Aug 2014, 01:11 PM
"Selling players ... maintains how we treat our staff"

Really, Peter? Record profits yet we apparently can't afford the living wage? Shameful.
By staff he really means himself. By selling players he can ensure he still take £1million out of the club




I see Lawwell also says that he believes we are at Champions League level. Yes we are. We have a Champions League level stadium. We have a Champions League level training facility. The CEO gets paid Champions League level wages. The team? The team is nowhere near Champions League level. We're lucky if we are even Europa League level in our current state. The club are spending money on all the accoutrements but are neglecting what is the most important part of the business.
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I've got several questions that I genuinely don't know the answer to.

Why are Celtic unable to use a debt facility ? Why is it imperative that Celtic have 0 debt ? Is it normal for a company our size to have no bank debt ? Why was the debt completely cleared when it was evident that it could be serviced ?
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