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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,911 Views)
warbleshinney
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JamesJoyce
30 Aug 2014, 10:18 AM
Lawell yet again showing his contempt for Celtic fans. The man is a disease on our club and he must be removed.
If we are going to use emotive terms like 'disease' then I think they would be better used, not against Lawell who is having to manage with ever decreasing resources in comparison with our neighbours in the EPL.

If anything is a 'disease' it is the grotesque monies SKY is placing into the EPL. It is ruining football.
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warbleshinney
30 Aug 2014, 12:01 PM
JamesJoyce
30 Aug 2014, 10:18 AM
Lawell yet again showing his contempt for Celtic fans. The man is a disease on our club and he must be removed.
If we are going to use emotive terms like 'disease' then I think they would be better used, not against Lawell who is having to manage with ever decreasing resources in comparison with our neighbours in the EPL.

If anything is a 'disease' it is the grotesque monies SKY is placing into the EPL. It is ruining football.
Ever decreasing resources and yet the club still posts massive profits year on year. Doesn't quite compute does it?
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In regards to 'all the money invested back in the squad' statement, how much did we pay in dividends last year to shareholders?

I was kinda hoping that Lawwell would say something that I could believe in during that interview, but I had deja vu of Tiger Woods staged apology after he got caught shagging around! :ph43r:

A staged, measured response where no relevant questions were allowed to be asked. :ph43r: :ph43r:
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jebus82
30 Aug 2014, 11:43 AM
if we are as honest peter says "spending what we bring in" why have we posted massive profits over the past 2 years? is profit not money you are left with? so where does the profit go?? :suspect:

if there was no profit we would be breaking even or losing money, so someone is telling porkies?
You are 100% right !!!

Why do many of our fans accept the Bullshampoo that Lawwell feeds them ?

"We spend every penny that come in" oh really ? ? ?

This is from earlier this year:

CELTIC chief executive Peter Lawwell described the club as being in “arguably the best financial state we’ve ever been in” after announcing pre-tax profits of £21.3m in the half-year accounts published yesterday.

This headline figure, achieved through £16.5m player sales and participation in the Champions League, resulted in the club sitting with £5.7m cash in the bank as at 31 December.

Lawwell expressed his “delight” at a set of results unrivalled in the modern age of the game in this country. “It sets us up,” he said. “We have a real strong foundation to face the future and the challenges of Scottish football. It’s allowed us to do a wee bit more. We have a multi-million pound project going on outside the stadium. We’ve given the fans several million pounds in cash back [through money off season tickets] and we’ve bought some players. It allows us to go into the summer transfer window from a very good standing to try to strengthen before the Champions League.”


LAWWELL HAS MORE FACES THAN THE TOWN CLOCK ... AS LONG AS HIS YEARLY BONUS IS SECURE HE DOES NOT GIVE A FLYING F**K ABOUT THE PRODUCT ON THE PARK !!!
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warbleshinney
30 Aug 2014, 12:01 PM
JamesJoyce
30 Aug 2014, 10:18 AM
Lawell yet again showing his contempt for Celtic fans. The man is a disease on our club and he must be removed.
If we are going to use emotive terms like 'disease' then I think they would be better used, not against Lawell who is having to manage with ever decreasing resources in comparison with our neighbours in the EPL.

If anything is a 'disease' it is the grotesque monies SKY is placing into the EPL. It is ruining football.
exactly..........unless all these lawell haters can prove theres money goin amiss or the other claims against him then im on his side......we have to get a fairer deal of sky and uefa....we cannot go on like this...ffffffffcccccccccccccccccccuuuuk sky
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warbleshinney
30 Aug 2014, 12:01 PM
JamesJoyce
30 Aug 2014, 10:18 AM
Lawell yet again showing his contempt for Celtic fans. The man is a disease on our club and he must be removed.
If we are going to use emotive terms like 'disease' then I think they would be better used, not against Lawell who is having to manage with ever decreasing resources in comparison with our neighbours in the EPL.

If anything is a 'disease' it is the grotesque monies SKY is placing into the EPL. It is ruining football.

We are not in the EPL so we are not affected by it.

Lawwell is a direct cause of decreasing revenue , he's part of the problem. His implementation of failing policies looses us cash hand over fist each year.

Use your brain , Lawwells bullshampoo statement doesn't equal what we see with our own eyes and hasn't even spent a penny on players to back a new manager.

eff the EPL , no bearing on us.
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warbleshinney
30 Aug 2014, 12:01 PM
JamesJoyce
30 Aug 2014, 10:18 AM
Lawell yet again showing his contempt for Celtic fans. The man is a disease on our club and he must be removed.
If we are going to use emotive terms like 'disease' then I think they would be better used, not against Lawell who is having to manage with ever decreasing resources in comparison with our neighbours in the EPL.

If anything is a 'disease' it is the grotesque monies SKY is placing into the EPL. It is ruining football.
He is an albatross around our neck

He's been in the job far far too long and his modus operandi - lets see how we can get by buy doing just enough - nearly cost us CL groups stages last year and blew up more spectacularly than any of us could have imagined this year.

Two days before the close of a summer transfer window and we have not signed a player on a permanent deal with a fee involving another club. That is a shambles.

And as for the "loans carry no risk", if the player is a success he can decide to go back to his previous club or another side can come in for him and there is her haw we can do about it.

We get the fact that we can't spend £8M on a player or pay £50K a week. Gary Hooper was asking for around £30K a week. We said no and instead bought Griffiths, Balde and Pukki - how much has that cost us ?

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Posted this in another thread but probably better in here
Maybe instead of board change we realistically need to push for a change in priorities and policy. The business model needs tweaked, some things need greater emphasis, things need analyzed, and then changes in policy and personnel may be required.
Whats for certain is that the board need to be forced and cajoled into declaring whether or not they are running Celtic to solely make a profit and damn footballing achievement. We then take it from there. It is imperative that everybody who has the opportunity to talk to Peter Lawwell quizzes him on whether they are running the club purely to be a profit maker, and secondly what processes have been put in place to correct our recent failings in buying cheap ruinous failures. Challenge him that we are not getting more right than wrong, and change is required, what is being done to change?
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beer_goggler1888
30 Aug 2014, 12:15 PM
warbleshinney
30 Aug 2014, 12:01 PM
JamesJoyce
30 Aug 2014, 10:18 AM
Lawell yet again showing his contempt for Celtic fans. The man is a disease on our club and he must be removed.
If we are going to use emotive terms like 'disease' then I think they would be better used, not against Lawell who is having to manage with ever decreasing resources in comparison with our neighbours in the EPL.

If anything is a 'disease' it is the grotesque monies SKY is placing into the EPL. It is ruining football.

We are not in the EPL so we are not affected by it.

Lawwell is a direct cause of decreasing revenue , he's part of the problem. His implementation of failing policies looses us cash hand over fist each year.

Use your brain , Lawwells bullshampoo statement doesn't equal what we see with our own eyes and hasn't even spent a penny on players to back a new manager.

eff the EPL , no bearing on us.
lawell didn't miss a sitter hit the bar fail to find a pass track back cross balls with no pressure into the stand I am no fan of the current buisness structure which is moving us backwards we are where we are because we are essentially a scottish club with poor revenue streams put up and alternative CEO if you know one !!!
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Surely, the fact that Neil Lennon got us through to the Champions League twice (once to the last 16) offsets any money we'd have lost through the huns being died? All we are asking is that the noney brought in from player sales is used to ensure that the squad is as strong so as to keep qualifying or better. The Board/Lawell do not have any foresight or ambition concerned only with the balance sheet and not about product on the park.

A big club thinking small, that is sadly what we are.

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beer_goggler1888
30 Aug 2014, 12:15 PM
warbleshinney
30 Aug 2014, 12:01 PM
JamesJoyce
30 Aug 2014, 10:18 AM
Lawell yet again showing his contempt for Celtic fans. The man is a disease on our club and he must be removed.
If we are going to use emotive terms like 'disease' then I think they would be better used, not against Lawell who is having to manage with ever decreasing resources in comparison with our neighbours in the EPL.

If anything is a 'disease' it is the grotesque monies SKY is placing into the EPL. It is ruining football.

We are not in the EPL so we are not affected by it.

Lawwell is a direct cause of decreasing revenue , he's part of the problem. His implementation of failing policies looses us cash hand over fist each year.

Use your brain , Lawwells bullshampoo statement doesn't equal what we see with our own eyes and hasn't even spent a penny on players to back a new manager.

eff the EPL , no bearing on us.
cannot understand how anyone can say the money sky is giving to the epl and championship is not affecting us..
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murphio
30 Aug 2014, 12:06 PM
Ever decreasing resources and yet the club still posts massive profits year on year. Doesn't quite compute does it?
Get effed with your sense, Murph.

ITS ALL SKY'S FAULT. :angry:
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In his interview Lawwell stated that when they appointed Ronny Deila they were aware that it may take a while to get things right. Maybe the pre-tax profit of £21 million made last year will plug the gap in earnings we'll miss out on from not being in the Champions League?

For those who are not quick to round on lawwell it's not simply a case of being taken for a bunch of fools by his words. It's because apart from seeing the figures in annual reports, only a small number of people within the inner sanctums of Celtic know how much things cost, all the way from the bottom right up to the top. Never having run a football club, and my experiences being limited to a number of games of Football Manager, if a monthly wage bill is £350,000-£400,000 then that's £4m roughly accounted for. There'll be a designated player budget for transfers, however none of us know how deep or shallow this is.

With regard to signing players good enough for the first team, it may be a case that it's very unfortunate that the presumed deal for Scepovic and the actual signing of Wakaso (loan with potential £3m transfer next season) were too hard to push through in time. Rushing players through the door is what fans want, we all want players in. We would have all preferred to go into the first game against Legia with the basis of the squad we wanted for the season. However, Deila spent the first month of his tenure taking the team around Europe because that's what Celtic under Neil and the Board had agreed. This would have probably been manageable for Lenny and the previous management team as they would presumably known the gaps in the squad and which players the scouting department had highlighted really good players to come in.

So with regards to the £21m pre tax profit. I'd like to think Lawwell hasn't taken us for fools as this would be a massive flaw on his part. And if it is proven to be untrue, his position would be untenable.
Edited by lennox11, 30 Aug 2014, 12:31 PM.
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warbleshinney
30 Aug 2014, 12:01 PM
JamesJoyce
30 Aug 2014, 10:18 AM
Lawell yet again showing his contempt for Celtic fans. The man is a disease on our club and he must be removed.
If we are going to use emotive terms like 'disease' then I think they would be better used, not against Lawell who is having to manage with ever decreasing resources in comparison with our neighbours in the EPL.

If anything is a 'disease' it is the grotesque monies SKY is placing into the EPL. It is ruining football.
I only commented in work yesterday to the Premiership Paddy's that English football and the money in it is killing the game
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Corky Buczek
30 Aug 2014, 12:19 PM
We get the fact that we can't spend £8M on a player or pay £50K a week. Gary Hooper was asking for around £30K a week. We said no and instead bought Griffiths, Balde and Pukki - how much has that cost us ?



I take your point on Pukki and Balde but I think Griffiths has been good for us ON the park, if he was up front from the start in the Maribor matches I doubt we would be having this reaction, as much as I like Stokes, Griffiths is more mobile and a better finisher which is what we needed when playing one up top!
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macdahustla69
30 Aug 2014, 12:34 PM
Corky Buczek
30 Aug 2014, 12:19 PM
We get the fact that we can't spend £8M on a player or pay £50K a week. Gary Hooper was asking for around £30K a week. We said no and instead bought Griffiths, Balde and Pukki - how much has that cost us ?



I take your point on Pukki and Balde but I think Griffiths has been good for us ON the park, if he was up front from the start in the Maribor matches I doubt we would be having this reaction, as much as I like Stokes, Griffiths is more mobile and a better finisher which is what we needed when playing one up top!
By all accounts - they are looking to offload Griffiths before tomorrow night

So as a signing it hasn't worked out.
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30 Aug 2014, 12:37 PM
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30 Aug 2014, 12:34 PM
Corky Buczek
30 Aug 2014, 12:19 PM
We get the fact that we can't spend £8M on a player or pay £50K a week. Gary Hooper was asking for around £30K a week. We said no and instead bought Griffiths, Balde and Pukki - how much has that cost us ?



I take your point on Pukki and Balde but I think Griffiths has been good for us ON the park, if he was up front from the start in the Maribor matches I doubt we would be having this reaction, as much as I like Stokes, Griffiths is more mobile and a better finisher which is what we needed when playing one up top!
By all accounts - they are looking to offload Griffiths before tomorrow night

So as a signing it hasn't worked out.
He scored a bundle of goals under Lenny last year and hasnt started a game under Ronny, not given a chance IMHO
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Corky Buczek
30 Aug 2014, 12:19 PM
warbleshinney
30 Aug 2014, 12:01 PM
JamesJoyce
30 Aug 2014, 10:18 AM
Lawell yet again showing his contempt for Celtic fans. The man is a disease on our club and he must be removed.
If we are going to use emotive terms like 'disease' then I think they would be better used, not against Lawell who is having to manage with ever decreasing resources in comparison with our neighbours in the EPL.

If anything is a 'disease' it is the grotesque monies SKY is placing into the EPL. It is ruining football.
He is an albatross around our neck

He's been in the job far far too long and his modus operandi - lets see how we can get by buy doing just enough - nearly cost us CL groups stages last year and blew up more spectacularly than any of us could have imagined this year.

Two days before the close of a summer transfer window and we have not signed a player on a permanent deal with a fee involving another club. That is a shambles.

And as for the "loans carry no risk", if the player is a success he can decide to go back to his previous club or another side can come in for him and there is her haw we can do about it.

We get the fact that we can't spend £8M on a player or pay £50K a week. Gary Hooper was asking for around £30K a week. We said no and instead bought Griffiths, Balde and Pukki - how much has that cost us ?

Penny wise. Pound foolish. In Lawwell's case £20M foolish.
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30 Aug 2014, 12:40 PM
Corky Buczek
30 Aug 2014, 12:37 PM
macdahustla69
30 Aug 2014, 12:34 PM

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By all accounts - they are looking to offload Griffiths before tomorrow night

So as a signing it hasn't worked out.
He scored a bundle of goals under Lenny last year and hasnt started a game under Ronny, not given a chance IMHO
Certainly does not have the strength to play the lone striker role, Perhaps if he behaved in a more decent fashion, it would help his cause although I'm still not convinced of his overall quality. And as someone whose brother-in-law was given asylum in this country and who has become a Celtic supporter, I cannot say I would miss Leigh Griffiths in the slightest if he left.
Edited by Corky Buczek, 30 Aug 2014, 12:50 PM.
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30 Aug 2014, 12:47 PM
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Corky Buczek
30 Aug 2014, 12:37 PM

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He scored a bundle of goals under Lenny last year and hasnt started a game under Ronny, not given a chance IMHO
Certainly does not have the strength to play the lone striker role, Perhaps if he behaved in a more decent fashion, it would help his cause although I'm still not convinced of his overall quality. And as someone whose brother-in-law was given asylum in this country and who has become a Celtic supporter, I cannot say I would miss Leigh Griffiths in the slightest if he left.
Fair point, but to get the goals return he could give us domestically would cost 4-5 million plus 20k per week wages which we will not spend!

If Ronny and Collins are the coaches they would like us to think they are then show us by making him the footballer we all know he could be.

As for his racist comments, there is no doubting he is a muppet but I think he deserves a chance!
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