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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,913 Views)
Klepton
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Zurawski 7
30 Aug 2014, 12:10 AM
Bob Loblaw
30 Aug 2014, 12:06 AM
Lester Burnham
29 Aug 2014, 11:41 PM

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Of course it wont happen but what we're saying is players don't really give a eff where they're playing or who they're up against, as long as they're getting paid highest amount they can.
dont think thats true tbh. virgil isnt desperate to leave just for more money. same with hooper. hooper probably earned very little more than if he stayed with us after bonuses were factored in

i think its too simplistic to say we can attract players by offering decent money. if they are decent players they are likely to have other offers the same if not more lucrative as well as in much better leagues.

i think too many people understate just how hard it is to get players to come to scotland right now
Look at Fraser Forster: he wouldn't have been below Ben Foster in the England pecking order if he'd been playing the likes of Liverpool and Spurs every week rather than Motherwell and Caley Thistle.
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Zurawski 7
30 Aug 2014, 01:22 AM
lennox11
30 Aug 2014, 01:14 AM

We all look for scapegoats after defeats. The majority of folk are (in my opinion) rightly not rounding on the manager yet. So that frustration needs to be levelled at someone. Due to the anarchic nature of a sizable number of football fans, it's a logical process to turn on the guy who controls the purse strings and who himself gets a more than modest living from the club.

Maybe the perceived lack of funding that drove Lenny and Johan away was because the board were unhappy with the waste of money on players such as balde, big derk, pukki, murphy, and murphy. It's funny how for some celtic fans these problems are not lenny's for picking them, but that it was lawwell's for limiting him to certain amounts of cash.
its not scapegoating in the slightest. that insinuates the benefit of hindsight when in actual fact all summer long the vast majority of people knew we would struggle to qualify without improving our strikeforce.

lawwell would have a damn cheek slating lennons signings also when he continually missed out on his top targets not to mention the fact that lennon doing wonders in devoloping his signings led to us operating on a profit in the transfer market for the last 4 years. what other celtic manager has ever operated on a minus net spend? celtic would be in a pretty sorry state right but for lennons dealings in the transfer market and money brought in through european participation
Agree totally in regards to Lennon's contribution.
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garyg71
30 Aug 2014, 01:32 AM
It doesn't matter if Lawell goes or stays,if we get another CE in,it will still be the same.
I have no idea where the supporters think the money is coming from!
We now have 36,000 season ticket holders,and how many of them are kids tickets?
We had well over 50,000 at one point and still struggled to bring in top players.
We can only attract players if we pay them the going rate.
That is very difficult in our league.

Impossible job(although I would love the bonus)
We all want to be a champions league team,but how can you attract players with a promise of 6 big games a season,maybe 2more.
We are in a shampoo league,that's the problem.

We have a shampoo team, that's the problem.
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29 Aug 2014, 11:27 PM

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That won't happen tho.

When you start paying wages like that sooner or later other players will want parity.
Of course it wont happen but what we're saying is players don't really give a eff where they're playing or who they're up against, as long as they're getting paid highest amount they can.
I don't think that's entirely true.

The best players will want to play in the strongest league possible, in my opinion.

Our league is poorly marketed, the coverage isn't great, the standard of football is generally not that good, there is ZERO competition (even when the huns were in the league it was a predictable, two horse race) and the attendances aren't great.

We have to be offering players over the odds wages to come and play here.

You can throw as much money as you like at players wages but that will do nothing to improve Scottish football or change the environment we play in.
Edited by Lester Burnham, 30 Aug 2014, 09:33 AM.
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tomtheleedstim
30 Aug 2014, 07:21 AM
garyg71
30 Aug 2014, 01:32 AM
It doesn't matter if Lawell goes or stays,if we get another CE in,it will still be the same.
I have no idea where the supporters think the money is coming from!
We now have 36,000 season ticket holders,and how many of them are kids tickets?
We had well over 50,000 at one point and still struggled to bring in top players.
We can only attract players if we pay them the going rate.
That is very difficult in our league.

Impossible job(although I would love the bonus)
We all want to be a champions league team,but how can you attract players with a promise of 6 big games a season,maybe 2more.
We are in a shampoo league,that's the problem.

We have a shampoo team, that's the problem.
I'm certain Lawwell and the board will know that the 'Good Ship' Sevco is about to hit the rocks again, and we might not be seeing them for some time.

Sadly, the proof is there. Without playing some bastard form of 'Rangers', a high percentage will not buy Season Tickets.
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ST decline over last five years probably attributed to three things. Economy. Death of the bastards. And pawnin off our best players and not replacing them, leading to supporter apathy. Making this just about Them is not the complete picture surely.
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29 Aug 2014, 07:00 PM
Those interviews on TV tonight - that was nothing more than succulent lamb.

Where were the following questions :

1) Two days before the close of the transfer window, why have Celtic yet to complete a deal that involves a transfer fee ?
2) Those loan signings if they work out, you do know that the player DOESN'T HAVE to stay at Celtic - he can chose to return to the previous club or look to be transferred to another - is that prudent?
3) do Celtic have to be NET sellers to break even ?
4) What are you doing to arrest the huge fall in season ticket numbers from 5 years ago?
5) Why did you appoint a manager that you had lined up to be an assistant to someone else ?
6) The previous manager and assistant manager have said is a lack of investment in the team - your response ?
7) There was a demonstration outside CP after Tuesday nights game calling for your head - why do you think the fans feel that way ?
8) Does it not provide evidence that there is real breakdown in your relationship with many Celtic supporters ?

Instead it was like PMQs where backbenchers get to massage the leader's ego.
Bang on the money :thumbsup:
I am at the stage were I can't bear to listen to him. He is sounding more like a politician every time you see him. He is a pompous, arrogant arsehole who treats the fans like crap. The last couple of years has seen some amount of P.R. bull come out #because,the celtic family. Pure shampooe that they use when it suits them.
Three or four years ago I was arguing with a couple of people when I said that he would be the highest paid guy at Celtic within 3 years. If it wasn't for Scott Brown he would be. I wasn't far off but it isn't one you would feel good about if you were right about it.
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direct
30 Aug 2014, 02:54 AM
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30 Aug 2014, 01:22 AM
lennox11
30 Aug 2014, 01:14 AM

We all look for scapegoats after defeats. The majority of folk are (in my opinion) rightly not rounding on the manager yet. So that frustration needs to be levelled at someone. Due to the anarchic nature of a sizable number of football fans, it's a logical process to turn on the guy who controls the purse strings and who himself gets a more than modest living from the club.

Maybe the perceived lack of funding that drove Lenny and Johan away was because the board were unhappy with the waste of money on players such as balde, big derk, pukki, murphy, and murphy. It's funny how for some celtic fans these problems are not lenny's for picking them, but that it was lawwell's for limiting him to certain amounts of cash.
its not scapegoating in the slightest. that insinuates the benefit of hindsight when in actual fact all summer long the vast majority of people knew we would struggle to qualify without improving our strikeforce.

lawwell would have a damn cheek slating lennons signings also when he continually missed out on his top targets not to mention the fact that lennon doing wonders in devoloping his signings led to us operating on a profit in the transfer market for the last 4 years. what other celtic manager has ever operated on a minus net spend? celtic would be in a pretty sorry state right but for lennons dealings in the transfer market and money brought in through european participation
Agree totally in regards to Lennon's contribution.
I still don't understand why we didn't get a striker in on time for the Maribor game? Why are we getting him in now? Invest that £2-3 mill in, have the guy ready & that outlay may end up getting you the Champions League place & earning £15-20mill. It's more of a gamble not to invest before these games & end up panic buying.
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The sad fact is we need two new strikers if this guy fits the bill great,but if gets injured we are back were we started.
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Corporate bawbag defends policies and business strategy of other corporate bawbags and claims things are actually great despite huge amount of evidence to the contrary.

concerns and anger of others dismissed as the grumblings of a minority of folk and no change in current strategy even contemplated - current strategy does see all corporate bawbags handsomely rewarded.

Jesus, supporting Celtic feels more and more like a job every day.
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bhoyle
30 Aug 2014, 08:38 AM
The sad fact is we need two new strikers if this guy fits the bill great,but if gets injured we are back were we started.
And we will be light at centre back, when we sell VVD & that's not even mentioning left back.
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Depressing interview from PL. Probably the direct opposite of every conversation being had in the cars and buses coming away from the game on Tuesday. Talk about out of touch with the support.
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Is there any sign or prospect of any supporters' groups responding to this pish?
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30 Aug 2014, 01:14 AM
I think Lawwell is the easy target in all of this. I'm not the biggest fan of all the decisions that have been made over the past few seasons but I feel that regardless of what lawwell said yesterday, people would (rightly or wrongly) find fault with it.

We all look for scapegoats after defeats. The majority of folk are (in my opinion) rightly not rounding on the manager yet. So that frustration needs to be levelled at someone. Due to the anarchic nature of a sizable number of football fans, it's a logical process to turn on the guy who controls the purse strings and who himself gets a more than modest living from the club.

I don't know what the guy does, day in day out, but if we want to be a successful club on and off the pitch you need someone with a bit of business acumen and he seems to have that.

I have noticed a number of really emotive and impassioned posts here particularly since Tuesday. For those who lived through the 90s, there is a tacit understanding that although it's not fabulous at the minute, it's been worse. It may improve this season, and indeed before Tuesday I think there were many of us who could see green shoots of progress.

Maybe the perceived lack of funding that drove Lenny and Johan away was because the board were unhappy with the waste of money on players such as balde, big derk, pukki, murphy, and murphy. It's funny how for some celtic fans these problems are not lenny's for picking them, but that it was lawwell's for limiting him to certain amounts of cash.

I think, personally, he spoke as much truth about the financial state of the club as you'd comfortably want to be known by everyone.

Don't want to be seen to be the token fan who is seen to be taken in by the club's 'propaganda'. I just think we could all benefit from a little perspective. Lawwell is turning into a pantomime villain; an opinion which is peddled by some rather unhelpful ex celts in the media. It's fine to criticise, but I feel that the unrelenting criticism is a bit much.
A voice of reason at last
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Using Shane long as an example was a tad ironic. A player that Lenny desperately wanted and tried his best to get the board to sign. When Lenny was after him he ended up going for 4.5m (a fee Lawwell says we can afford) and a few years later went for £12m. Would have been a good investment....
Edited by Frank Ricard, 30 Aug 2014, 09:29 AM.
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30 Aug 2014, 09:26 AM
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30 Aug 2014, 01:14 AM
I think Lawwell is the easy target in all of this. I'm not the biggest fan of all the decisions that have been made over the past few seasons but I feel that regardless of what lawwell said yesterday, people would (rightly or wrongly) find fault with it.

We all look for scapegoats after defeats. The majority of folk are (in my opinion) rightly not rounding on the manager yet. So that frustration needs to be levelled at someone. Due to the anarchic nature of a sizable number of football fans, it's a logical process to turn on the guy who controls the purse strings and who himself gets a more than modest living from the club.

I don't know what the guy does, day in day out, but if we want to be a successful club on and off the pitch you need someone with a bit of business acumen and he seems to have that.

I have noticed a number of really emotive and impassioned posts here particularly since Tuesday. For those who lived through the 90s, there is a tacit understanding that although it's not fabulous at the minute, it's been worse. It may improve this season, and indeed before Tuesday I think there were many of us who could see green shoots of progress.

Maybe the perceived lack of funding that drove Lenny and Johan away was because the board were unhappy with the waste of money on players such as balde, big derk, pukki, murphy, and murphy. It's funny how for some celtic fans these problems are not lenny's for picking them, but that it was lawwell's for limiting him to certain amounts of cash.

I think, personally, he spoke as much truth about the financial state of the club as you'd comfortably want to be known by everyone.

Don't want to be seen to be the token fan who is seen to be taken in by the club's 'propaganda'. I just think we could all benefit from a little perspective. Lawwell is turning into a pantomime villain; an opinion which is peddled by some rather unhelpful ex celts in the media. It's fine to criticise, but I feel that the unrelenting criticism is a bit much.
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I don't know what the guy does day in day out.

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Downsizing for many years, even when they have brought in huge levels of cash. Lawell wish you would gtf and take that dick Deila with you.
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Ok, I think I might upset a few with this view, but....

The predominate emotion amongst the support is not anger, but apathy. And that's hard to reconcile with supporting a club that remains successful by the measures that we've been judged on since the club was born. A successful season was winning at home, and Europe was a bonus.

Now the parameters are changing, and now success has to be measured differently. Fair enough, but we're attempting to do so from a disadvantaged position. Remember, we used to buy up players from West Ham and Villa, and they would remark about making the step up. Now we're a nursery team for Southampton. Is that really a result of incompetence ?

Apathy is an entirely understandable reaction to our circumstances. I don't blame some for picking and choosing their games. But it's not something people like to admit to. And along with that we have frustration born out of our circumstances, and not helped at all by the tremendous highs we've experienced since 2003. So it all has to be justified. So apathy, combined with frustration, is justified by anger and the urge to blame someone. It's a pitiful example of modern day consumerism. We complain about having a capitalist board, but we behave like consumerist capitalist brats at the same time.

If the support has its way, then all long term planning goes out the window. We've been through 14 odd years, many successful, but ultimately driven by short term measures. So we had some very effective short term managers, and we behaved like an EPL team, when we could afford to. Now we can't and the whole strategy has to change. This is simply because the players that we could buy are now harder to get. And what we spend ultimately proves to be second rate. The footballing recruitment division is failing because of bad judgement, and not because of unwillingness to spend. We will only get out of it, but finding a means to unearth more Wanyamas and producing more McGregors. And that is not going to happen overnight.
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I'm sorry but I don't remember too many of us demanding 4-6million pound players. 2 or 3 at 3million would be nice though.

edit; have we as a support, maybe underestimated the zombiefication of deid co?
Edited by ssmith81, 30 Aug 2014, 09:42 AM.
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Here's a simple analogy. You come into a windfall but your house badly needs a lot of maintenance. Do you choose to reduce your mortgage, patch up the repairs and let the value of your house decrease? This is Lawwell's masterplan.
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