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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,415,015 Views)
Mubo Loravcik
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Celtic have never built from a position of strength.

That sums it up.
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janvoh
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I'm my 34 years as a fan I've never known a Celtic so lacklustre in the transfer market, we have turned into a selling club, problem is we arnt investing any of the income on potential sellable assets

id be happy to sign players like wanyama etc and sell them on however i think its a must that we replace these players will players who have at least a chance of improving our team and potentially making money on future sales.
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28 Jul 2014, 06:30 PM
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28 Jul 2014, 06:23 PM
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28 Jul 2014, 06:18 PM

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Yeah but they're more likely to close the gap than us to pull away. We are the champions of failing to act when it counts.
I can't see them getting near us for a long time.
Two years. We've effed up big style.
Edited by JimG31Bhoy, 28 Jul 2014, 06:39 PM.
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28 Jul 2014, 06:38 PM
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28 Jul 2014, 06:30 PM
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28 Jul 2014, 06:23 PM

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I can't see them getting near us for a long time.
Two years. We've effect up big style.
:lmao:

I'm keeching it from Cammy Bell, Richard Foster, Bilel Moshni, Lee McCulloch, Ian Back, Kenny Miller et al. They are utter mince.
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Wee Red
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28 Jul 2014, 06:18 PM
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28 Jul 2014, 05:03 PM

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Problem is that we are heading down to their level. That continuation would be scandalous
We are nowhere near their level.
Hopefully we never get there, but our club are taking a breather whilst they are absent, and our standards have also gone down. Last year's CL group displays were abject surrender, against badly misfiring previously legendary clubs.
That is where any benchmark against improvement is self evident. We are and have been deteriorating. Hopefully Ronny will clear out the dross and turn it around in two or three seasons, when hopefully we will have our sequence of home raised players forming the bulk of our teams. We are using their absence to instigate our own new hydroponic youth system. We did'nt really have much of a choice, and money will not be spent unnecessarily. However we may slip further before reviving, hopefully we develop a cutting edge for the CL as we are presently gumsy.
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28 Jul 2014, 06:23 PM
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28 Jul 2014, 06:17 PM

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We are nowhere near their level.
Yeah but they're more likely to close the gap than us to pull away. We are the champions of failing to act when it counts.
Sweet smothering eff.
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dr mueller
28 Jul 2014, 05:27 PM
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28 Jul 2014, 05:03 PM
dr mueller
28 Jul 2014, 04:22 PM
Frankly, I find this notion that "It'll take them years to challenge for the League again" quite baffling. People are treating this as if it were the likes of Forfar who'd climbed into the top level after successive promotions. They can't afford not to almost immediately challenge, and the domestic "cultural" setup will all but ensure that they do, even if it means running on a rolling phantom deficit for a year or two.
Mate, Dundee United have shagged them twice in as many years. Utd are guff. They couldn't manage to finish above Motherwell ffs. They'll kill themselves trying to reach the level we're at. eff, I think they'll be dead before they even reach the dizzy heights if the SPFL.
Single games as a definite example don't make an entire season, though.

And how do you reconcile this "they'll kill themselves trying to reach our level" with a near-unanimous consensus that our own level of quality has gone dramatically down in the past few years ?

That's precisely my point: they'll be no great shakes, but it seems neither will we.

Who here honestly believes that they'll be "allowed" to rot mid-table for years on end? Too much at stake for too many people.

Oh, and BTW, the above doesn't mean we can't claim a further three or four consecutive Leagues.
I agree – for all they’re rotten for now it’s silly to assume that we’re so far ahead that they won’t be challenging again within a few years. Maybe they will, maybe they won’t but the fact is we don’t know.

In terms of the Board more generally, the fact is that a certain number of people will renew season tickets regardless of the standard of the team and so they can trade off that loyalty. That’s a set level of income (which will probably be increased by £100 per season ticket next season / the one after) and, certainly for this season / CL qualifier next year, there is no ‘need’ to spend money to win the league and guarantee a shot at European football.

It’s a difficult balancing act because I am naturally inclined to think that financial prudence / living within our means is absolutely the way to run the club. However, while I think buying prospects and selling them on at a profit is the right approach, there also has to be a focus on the here and now and the relative strength of the team. A difficult balance to strike.
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28 Jul 2014, 06:39 PM
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28 Jul 2014, 06:38 PM
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28 Jul 2014, 06:30 PM

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Two years. We've effect up big style.
:lmao:

I'm keeching it from Cammy Bell, Richard Foster, Bilel Moshni, Lee McCulloch, Ian Back, Kenny Miller et al. They are utter mince.
You know yourself there's absolutely no chance they don't add to that once in the top flight.
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dr mueller
28 Jul 2014, 07:37 PM
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28 Jul 2014, 06:38 PM

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:lmao:

I'm keeching it from Cammy Bell, Richard Foster, Bilel Moshni, Lee McCulloch, Ian Back, Kenny Miller et al. They are utter mince.
You know yourself there's absolutely no chance they don't add to that once in the top flight.
We all love talking about the huns. They're so fascinating! Maybe we should worry about them! Maybe they'll sign good players! Look out - here they come!

Wake me up if and when they make it to the SPL, because that's probably when our Board has the alarm set for anyway.
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There's nothing wrong with being a selling club provided you're striking the right balance. Porto and Benfica sell their best players every summer but they always have several new guys lined up who come in and do a brilliant job. Porto have sold Fernando, Mangala, Otamendi and Iturbe this summer for huge money. But they've signed Martins Indi, Casemiro, Tello and Adrian. We sell our best players and expect they can be replaced by guys who struggle to get a game in the Championship.
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28 Jul 2014, 06:23 PM
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28 Jul 2014, 06:17 PM

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We are nowhere near their level.
Yeah but they're more likely to close the gap than us to pull away. We are the champions of failing to act when it counts.
:lol:
that's a bit much.

See, I've been trying to pinpoint the exact level where we lie on the spectrum between

a) the essentially cyclical nature of Scottish football makes the "glass ceiling" of performance within a heavily compromised national setup hard to dislodge( hence us "failing" to permanently pull away from our rivals ); and

b) within that shackling, but predictable and even possibly "planning-positive" constraint, the current board have committed multiple mistakes and utterly failed to adjust for the circumstances; ie are not behaving proactively where others might have done better if dealt the same hand.
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28 Jul 2014, 07:40 PM
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28 Jul 2014, 07:37 PM
remy mcswain
28 Jul 2014, 06:39 PM

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You know yourself there's absolutely no chance they don't add to that once in the top flight.
We all love talking about the huns. They're so fascinating! Maybe we should worry about them! Maybe they'll sign good players! Look out - here they come!

Wake me up if and when they make it to the SPL, because that's probably when our Board has the alarm set for anyway.
can't tell if you're being sarcastic with your second sentence, because if not, it goes some way toward illustrating the dynamic exposed in your first one. I'm guessing you are, but that strawman reply may not be as far from reality as you hope it is.

Basically, I'm sure no one on this board, including myself, gives a damn about them, when devoid of any context. That much is clear. But some simply assume that the board will modify their approach if faced with a legit domestic threat, whether it be from across the city or elsewhere. People here may disagree, but it sure as hell not an observation so flippant that mere smugness can justifiably sweep it away.
Edited by dr mueller, 28 Jul 2014, 08:07 PM.
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Not overly happy. I'm happy we are in a healthy financial position but we should be signing better quality. Sadly Pedro has done a grand job lowering expectations.
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dr mueller
28 Jul 2014, 07:57 PM
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28 Jul 2014, 07:37 PM

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We all love talking about the huns. They're so fascinating! Maybe we should worry about them! Maybe they'll sign good players! Look out - here they come!

Wake me up if and when they make it to the SPL, because that's probably when our Board has the alarm set for anyway.
can't tell if you're being sarcastic with your second sentence, because if not, it goes some way toward illustrating the dynamic exposed in your first one.

Basically, I'm sure no one on this board, including myself, gives a damn about them, when devoid of any context. That much is clear. But some simply assume that the board will modify their approach if faced with a legit domestic threat, whether it be from across the city or elsewhere.
Of all the reasons there are for the Board to spend a bit of money on decent players right now, and there are several very good ones, concern over the potential for a "legit domestic threat" - especially sevco - ain't one of them.
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dr mueller
28 Jul 2014, 07:37 PM
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JimG31Bhoy
28 Jul 2014, 06:38 PM

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:lmao:

I'm keeching it from Cammy Bell, Richard Foster, Bilel Moshni, Lee McCulloch, Ian Back, Kenny Miller et al. They are utter mince.
You know yourself there's absolutely no chance they don't add to that once in the top flight.
What with?
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28 Jul 2014, 08:08 PM
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can't tell if you're being sarcastic with your second sentence, because if not, it goes some way toward illustrating the dynamic exposed in your first one.

Basically, I'm sure no one on this board, including myself, gives a damn about them, when devoid of any context. That much is clear. But some simply assume that the board will modify their approach if faced with a legit domestic threat, whether it be from across the city or elsewhere.
Of all the reasons there are for the Board to spend a bit of money on decent players right now, and there are several very good ones, concern over the potential for a "legit domestic threat" - especially sevco - ain't one of them.
How do you reckon ?

If the League's already a foreone conclusion, where's the incentive to significantly add to the squad?
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Of all the reasons there are for the Board to spend a bit of money on decent players right now, and there are several very good ones, concern over the potential for a "legit domestic threat" - especially sevco - ain't one of them.
How do you reckon ?

If the League's already a foreone conclusion, where's the incentive to significantly add to the squad?
So that people actually want to buy tickets to see us play? So we don't get absolutely hammered in Europe again? So Remy can have a hero again? All of that, and more.
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28 Jul 2014, 08:09 PM
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You know yourself there's absolutely no chance they don't add to that once in the top flight.
What with?
Intuitively, I'd say without great risk that they'll be looking at roughly the same level of player as us.

If not the first year, then the following one.

IMO, people who assume that they'll just happily turn into perennial Motherwell-types are deliberately neglecting several factors, such as the constant lure of potential investors from Australia, South Africa etc
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28 Jul 2014, 08:16 PM
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What with?
Intuitively, I'd say without great risk that they'll be looking at roughly the same level of player as us.

If not the first year, then the following one.

IMO, people who assume that they'll just happily turn into perennial Motherwell-types are deliberately neglecting several factors, such as the constant lure of potential investors from Australia, South Africa etc
:lol:

Ok.
Edited by Tim Waits, 28 Jul 2014, 08:18 PM.
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How will they justify the £100 increase in SB's next year?
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