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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,915 Views)
paulfg42
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Patronising, condescending pish.
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29 Aug 2014, 08:55 PM
Sean67
29 Aug 2014, 08:01 PM
Thought the PL interview was fine and exactly what I'd expect. It wasn't patronising or untruthful, I do wonder how much money we have though and hope we can fully fund the ambitions we all have for our great club. I'm more than willing to give RD the time he needs to put his vision for attractive fast paced attacking football in place, and am encouraged by the views he has, as expressed by the latest Celtic Underground podcast. Europe league is our level this year, and truthful was last year too. Hopefully Champions League will be our level next year.
It was extremely patronising and untruthful.

He said that the manager - and no-one else, especially not himself or John Park - makes football decisions. How that tallies with Craig Gordon being signed before the ink was dry on Ronny Deila's contract, I'm not sure :ponder:

Also, the nonsense about how we could pay £6million for a striker but it's the wages which prevents us from signing him. Well, we had a £6million stiker - and by all accounts it wouldn't have cost £50,000 p/w to keep him here.
That's the one that gets me over all else.

Hooper would have stayed had Celtic hiked his wages. Instead Pukki and Balde arrived in the hope that they would be a success and be sold on at a profit as per the business model.

Except whoever scouted Balde and Pukki made a right royal arse of it.
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Zurawski 7
29 Aug 2014, 11:00 PM
really angering and condescending pish as usual. noone is asking for spend spend spend or 8million players (which the clown said we could afford and noone believed anyway). its not too much to ask for a few decent signings before the qualifiers

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See this shampoo, does my effin head in. It's often mentioned on here too, 'we don't want to go down the huns route'! We'll I've yet to meet or hear another fan call for us to spend, spend, spend...just 2 or 3 players who can go straight into 1st team
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He said everything I expected him to say & I disagreed with a good bit of it.

The only sympathy I have with the board is trying to convince good players to come to the SPL. Scotland must be pretty far down the list of places players want to come and play.

Our league is effing mince.
Edited by Lester Burnham, 29 Aug 2014, 11:14 PM.
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29 Aug 2014, 11:03 PM
Not entirely sure context of interview or line of questioning but despite not being exactly overly enamoured by Deila I think most Celtic fans are more concerned by the failings of Lawwell and lack of investment in the team. It wasn't a vote of confidence in Deila I was wanting from Lawwell but an admittance from him that he had completely fecked up the signing policy for this year.

For him to brings the sons and cousins of William into it and for the club to moan about the struggles they have in attracting players is an admittance that Lawwell isn't doing his job. In my job I don't always have the best product to sell but I still convince more people than not that my company is the right choice and that we bring other things to the table. By signing so many second rate loan signings Lawwell is achieving very little and continues to abuse his position and the good will of the fans. He is now nothing more than an embarrassment of a man.
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Having listened to the various Lawwell interviews one thing that doesn't seem to sit right is the level of investment afforded to each of the previous 4 managers. Over £30m under Lenny?

Taking what should be the most straightforward, Mowbray, who did he spend £13m on? I can only think of Fortune and Ki in terms of significant transfers. Has he thrown wages in there too??
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Lester Burnham
29 Aug 2014, 11:13 PM
He said everything I expected him to say & I disagreed with a good bit of it.

The only sympathy I have with the board is trying to convince good players to come to the SPL. Scotland must be pretty far down the list of places players want to come and play.

Our league is effing mince.
theres definitely truth in that but theres still no way theres not players in our range able to improve our midfield and attack given how poor it is.

if scepovic had rejected us after us being knocked out they might have had another excuse but the fact we are out the champs league and still willing to come only leaves one question. "why was he not signed before any of the deadlines?"
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29 Aug 2014, 11:18 PM
Having listened to the various Lawwell interviews one thing that doesn't seem to sit right is the level of investment afforded to each of the previous 4 managers. Over £30m under Lenny?

Taking what should be the most straightforward, Mowbray, who did he spend £13m on? I can only think of Fortune and Ki in terms of significant transfers. Has he thrown wages in there too??
the transfer fees sound about right tbh. mowbrays signings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_Celtic_F.C._season#In

dont think mon spent over 40m as said right enough

he also said shane long got 4 goals last season when he got 7
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He's a lying, condescending arsehole.

Get him to eff.
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Lester Burnham
29 Aug 2014, 11:13 PM
He said everything I expected him to say & I disagreed with a good bit of it.

The only sympathy I have with the board is trying to convince good players to come to the SPL. Scotland must be pretty far down the list of places players want to come and play.

Our league is effing mince.
Offer them the right money and they'll come here no problem.
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Poggibonsi
29 Aug 2014, 11:18 PM
Having listened to the various Lawwell interviews one thing that doesn't seem to sit right is the level of investment afforded to each of the previous 4 managers. Over £30m under Lenny?

Taking what should be the most straightforward, Mowbray, who did he spend £13m on? I can only think of Fortune and Ki in terms of significant transfers. Has he thrown wages in there too??
Around a million for each of Rasmussen, hoiveld and fox?
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Bob Loblaw
29 Aug 2014, 11:23 PM
Lester Burnham
29 Aug 2014, 11:13 PM
He said everything I expected him to say & I disagreed with a good bit of it.

The only sympathy I have with the board is trying to convince good players to come to the SPL. Scotland must be pretty far down the list of places players want to come and play.

Our league is effing mince.
Offer them the right money and they'll come here no problem.
Always remember a conversation I had with my Uncle at half-time against Milan back in 2004. We were talking about their side and how we couldn't attract players of that calibre to Celtic.

My Uncle said "Pay them £60,000 a week and they will"

Now that was never going to happen then, but the sentiment remains. Give a quality player, a striker, a decent wage, even if it breaks the effing wage cap whatever that is, and they'll wear the hoops.

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29 Aug 2014, 11:21 PM
Poggibonsi
29 Aug 2014, 11:18 PM
Having listened to the various Lawwell interviews one thing that doesn't seem to sit right is the level of investment afforded to each of the previous 4 managers. Over £30m under Lenny?

Taking what should be the most straightforward, Mowbray, who did he spend £13m on? I can only think of Fortune and Ki in terms of significant transfers. Has he thrown wages in there too??
the transfer fees sound about right tbh. mowbrays signings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_Celtic_F.C._season#In
Fair dos - does actually add up when you consider we probably paid a fair wedge on loan fees in the January. Had also wiped the names of Hooiveld, Fox and Rasmussen from memory!
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Having just heard interview and read a few pages on this thread it appears for the first time I can think of , that the vast majority of fans want rid of Lawell . I would hope that we don't stop here as the rest of the board have the potential to be even worse.

When he mentions the club I think he's including the academy (might b being kind too him) which like his imaginary £6m striker also costs more than any other SPL club with a budget of around £2m per year. Why are we allowing Chris McCart to run around like David Murray spending hundreds of thousand signing boys who have just stopped wetting the bed. Why are we not scouting them directly rather than buying them. Who's holding Lennoxtown accountable ? Do the board really think that winning a youth league or Glasgow cup means the academy is a success. Why are we training them on a swimmers training plan????

Park will jump ship first decent offer. God help us if it's left to McCart
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Dear Peter,

Sometimes you have to spend money to make money.

For example if we'd have signed a half decent striker at some point in the last year and possibly one or two more we'd be in the CL right now and you could be watching the money flow in.

Instead, just like last year, we gambled that what we had, minus some players who had been important previously, would get us through. We almost weren't good enough last year but you didn't learn. We tried it again this year and failed spectacularly and now you'll no doubt be telling us that because of the lack of CL football this year we'll have to reduce the spending again moving forward.

To be honest I'm fairly happy with the main aspects of the way the club is run. Looking for young players to promote and bring in who we can develop and sell on for more money. Our circumstances dictate that that's how we should be doing business and I'm fed up with the big money being thrown around in modern football anyway. It's ruining the game.

I also like Ronny Deila and hope he succeeds. I like his philosophy and the systems he wants to put in place throughout the whole club. In the long run we will be a better club for it but if it doesn't work out and we're rummaging around looking for a new manager in December or February with a shockingly average squad supplemented by four or five loan signings who no longer want to be here it won't be the manager to blame, it'll be you. And we'll be back to where we were four years ago before Lennon took over.

And think how much money we'll need to put that right again...
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29 Aug 2014, 08:06 PM
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29 Aug 2014, 06:24 PM
PL on STV in an interview on having too much influence on football matters:

"All football matters are decided by the football manager... particularly signing players. Catagorically I don't sign players, John Park doesn't sign players. Ultimately it's the manager"
He actually expects us to believe that when we had Gordon before we had a effing manager!!?? :lol: :rubeyes:

Truly shows just how thick they think we are.
absolutely.

next question should have been:

"So who signed Craig Gordon?"
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29 Aug 2014, 11:23 PM
Lester Burnham
29 Aug 2014, 11:13 PM
He said everything I expected him to say & I disagreed with a good bit of it.

The only sympathy I have with the board is trying to convince good players to come to the SPL. Scotland must be pretty far down the list of places players want to come and play.

Our league is effing mince.
Offer them the right money and they'll come here no problem.
Offering them more money won't make the league any better tho, that problem remains.

Our competitive environment is holding us back, stopping the club fulfilling its potential and frustrating the fans who want more from the club.

I think the board have to be more liberal in the calculated risk applied when signing players but as long as we remain in Scottish football and the uncompetitive, one horse race league we are in means they are unlikely to do so.
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29 Aug 2014, 11:27 PM
Bob Loblaw
29 Aug 2014, 11:23 PM
Lester Burnham
29 Aug 2014, 11:13 PM
He said everything I expected him to say & I disagreed with a good bit of it.

The only sympathy I have with the board is trying to convince good players to come to the SPL. Scotland must be pretty far down the list of places players want to come and play.

Our league is effing mince.
Offer them the right money and they'll come here no problem.
Always remember a conversation I had with my Uncle at half-time against Milan back in 2004. We were talking about their side and how we couldn't attract players of that calibre to Celtic.

My Uncle said "Pay them £60,000 a week and they will"

Now that was never going to happen then, but the sentiment remains. Give a quality player, a striker, a decent wage, even if it breaks the effing wage cap whatever that is, and they'll wear the hoops.

That won't happen tho.

When you start paying wages like that sooner or later other players will want parity.
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