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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,917 Views)
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Quiet Assasin
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29 Aug 2014, 06:29 PM
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..for the maintenance of dinner tables for the children and the unemployed
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- 29 Aug 2014, 06:24 PM
PL on STV in an interview on having too much influence on football matters:
"All football matters are decided by the football manager... particularly signing players. Catagorically I don't sign players, John Park doesn't sign players. Ultimately it's the manager"
And Mr Quisling made all the calls in Norway.
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josephledley
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29 Aug 2014, 06:31 PM
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- 29 Aug 2014, 06:23 PM
- Bawman
- 29 Aug 2014, 05:59 PM
- Bawman
- 29 Aug 2014, 05:56 PM
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BTw as a wee aside, take out our player sales in the last three seasons and we are struggling for income.
Yep I took that from his interview. Better hope that the VVD cash plugs an enormous hole as he is the only one left that they could get £5M plus for. If we are struggling for income outwith player sales then I'm sorry unnacceptable. In fact utter buffoonery to be signing the likes of balde and pukki
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murphio
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29 Aug 2014, 06:34 PM
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Could start a row in an empty room
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- Locky255
- 29 Aug 2014, 06:24 PM
PL on STV in an interview on having too much influence on football matters:
"All football matters are decided by the football manager... particularly signing players. Catagorically I don't sign players, John Park doesn't sign players. Ultimately it's the manager"
Utter rubbish. Tony Mowbray admitted he had nothing to do with the Ki signing. Mo Camara had been virtually tied up before Strachan even got the job. Tonev has been a target for two years. This guy talks out his arse.
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paddyjoe
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29 Aug 2014, 06:35 PM
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- murphio
- 29 Aug 2014, 06:06 PM
Here is a great piece from Donal og Cusack who is a Cork hurler and Celtic fan. His words probably sum up how a lot of us feel. Why I have fallen out of love with Celtic- Quote:
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This last few weeks it’s been hard to watch Celtic. The romance and the ambition and the vision have all been stripped away, writes Donal Óg Cusack.
Two weeks before I made my debut for Cork in 1999, I went to Jimmy Barry-Murphy with what I regarded as a very serious problem.
To be fair to Jimmy, he understood the nature of the problem, and he knew how to handle it. He said to go ahead and do what I needed to do. He said it was probably best to just keep quiet about it afterwards. I saw where he was coming from and agreed. That was the way to handle it.
It was a delicate business. If I were managing a team now, and a young fella came to me with the same problem, I know I wouldn’t so understanding. It wasn’t a weekend of mental calm and preparation I was thinking of. Back in 1999, I needed to go to the Scottish Cup final between Celtic and Rangers. No place for faint hearts. Link Excellent read
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Locky255
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29 Aug 2014, 06:37 PM
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- fatboab
- 29 Aug 2014, 06:25 PM
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- 29 Aug 2014, 06:24 PM
PL on STV in an interview on having too much influence on football matters:
"All football matters are decided by the football manager... particularly signing players. Catagorically I don't sign players, John Park doesn't sign players. Ultimately it's the manager"
So who signed Craig Gordon? Some amount of crap from him with this and the celtictv interview.
For a number of reasons, he needs to go.
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kearnsy
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29 Aug 2014, 06:41 PM
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- paddyjoe
- 29 Aug 2014, 06:35 PM
- murphio
- 29 Aug 2014, 06:06 PM
Here is a great piece from Donal og Cusack who is a Cork hurler and Celtic fan. His words probably sum up how a lot of us feel. Why I have fallen out of love with Celtic- Quote:
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This last few weeks it’s been hard to watch Celtic. The romance and the ambition and the vision have all been stripped away, writes Donal Óg Cusack.
Two weeks before I made my debut for Cork in 1999, I went to Jimmy Barry-Murphy with what I regarded as a very serious problem.
To be fair to Jimmy, he understood the nature of the problem, and he knew how to handle it. He said to go ahead and do what I needed to do. He said it was probably best to just keep quiet about it afterwards. I saw where he was coming from and agreed. That was the way to handle it.
It was a delicate business. If I were managing a team now, and a young fella came to me with the same problem, I know I wouldn’t so understanding. It wasn’t a weekend of mental calm and preparation I was thinking of. Back in 1999, I needed to go to the Scottish Cup final between Celtic and Rangers. No place for faint hearts. Link
Excellent read I think we all are falling out of love for celtic the way this board are treating us
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SpiritofLisbon
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29 Aug 2014, 06:56 PM
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- Locky255
- 29 Aug 2014, 06:37 PM
- fatboab
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- Locky255
- 29 Aug 2014, 06:24 PM
PL on STV in an interview on having too much influence on football matters:
"All football matters are decided by the football manager... particularly signing players. Catagorically I don't sign players, John Park doesn't sign players. Ultimately it's the manager"
So who signed Craig Gordon?
Some amount of crap from him with this and the celtictv interview. For a number of reasons, he needs to go. Peter Lawwell is a born liar !! He is egotistical and unfortunately for us .... He is making every decision at Celtic Football Club.
Lawwell and Lawwell alone chose Ronny Deila !!
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murphio
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29 Aug 2014, 06:58 PM
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Could start a row in an empty room
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- Bawman
- 29 Aug 2014, 05:56 PM
Look at us. The product on the park is getting weaker and weaker, people have been complaining year on year with the demand for Season Books getting less and what do they do? Keep doing the same things that have people complain and season books diminish, i.e. cut their cloth accordingly. Profits continue. How come? We are slashing our wage bill, minimizing investment and selling anything that moves. shampoo we even halved the salary of the manager in the Summer. What a saving there!!
You had said we are definitely in the business of expansion, well the actions of the majority shareholder and those in office are not in a dance with expansion, quite the opposite in fact. Expansion would have us invest a little more in playing staff, give a bigger contract to Wanyama while signing VvD, pay for a quality striker, take a run at the last 8 of the CL, attract a better class of sponsorship, demonstrate to higher profile players that while you might be playing in a weaker domestic league, you will also get to play against European opposition well into the season and a healthy bonus structure to match.
A number of points there; I agree with some of what you say but not all. The product on the park is certainly getting weaker but not all of that can be put at the door of the board. It is simple economics. Once upon a time we were in a position to compete in terms of salaries but not any longer. Average players are earning upwards of 50k per week. We have tried to bring in quality players we can afford and, to be fair, we have been fairly successful. It is only over the last 12 months that the investment we have made in guys like Puuki, Balde and Boerrigter has failed us. That being said I see no reason why - from a wagebill of 40m - we can't make room for two or three bigger salaries. Lawwell claims we will spend 6m or 7m on a player when he knows full well it will never happen because such a player is going to want a wage which will blow this ceiling we have put in place out of the water.
I also never said we were 'definitely expanding' - I said the club has hit a glass ceiling in terms of income. Even a last eight Champions League place (which cash rich Man City have yet to achieve) won't go anywhere near to plugging the gap between ourselves and the TV revenue from down south and the bigger European leagues. Of course there would be commercial spin-offs from getting to that stage but the money needing spent is far greater than the potential financial reward. The board are right to be cautious. My argument is that they are far too cautious. There are a number of reason why we are where we are and the board has to take a large slice of the blame - but not all of it.
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Corky Buczek
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29 Aug 2014, 07:00 PM
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Those interviews on TV tonight - that was nothing more than succulent lamb.
Where were the following questions :
1) Two days before the close of the transfer window, why have Celtic yet to complete a deal that involves a transfer fee ? 2) Those loan signings if they work out, you do know that the player DOESN'T HAVE to stay at Celtic - he can chose to return to the previous club or look to be transferred to another - is that prudent? 3) do Celtic have to be NET sellers to break even ? 4) What are you doing to arrest the huge fall in season ticket numbers from 5 years ago? 5) Why did you appoint a manager that you had lined up to be an assistant to someone else ? 6) The previous manager and assistant manager have said is a lack of investment in the team - your response ? 7) There was a demonstration outside CP after Tuesday nights game calling for your head - why do you think the fans feel that way ? 8) Does it not provide evidence that there is real breakdown in your relationship with many Celtic supporters ?
Instead it was like PMQs where backbenchers get to massage the leader's ego.
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paulfg42
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29 Aug 2014, 07:11 PM
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Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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- murphio
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- Bawman
- 29 Aug 2014, 05:56 PM
Look at us. The product on the park is getting weaker and weaker, people have been complaining year on year with the demand for Season Books getting less and what do they do? Keep doing the same things that have people complain and season books diminish, i.e. cut their cloth accordingly. Profits continue. How come? We are slashing our wage bill, minimizing investment and selling anything that moves. shampoo we even halved the salary of the manager in the Summer. What a saving there!!
You had said we are definitely in the business of expansion, well the actions of the majority shareholder and those in office are not in a dance with expansion, quite the opposite in fact. Expansion would have us invest a little more in playing staff, give a bigger contract to Wanyama while signing VvD, pay for a quality striker, take a run at the last 8 of the CL, attract a better class of sponsorship, demonstrate to higher profile players that while you might be playing in a weaker domestic league, you will also get to play against European opposition well into the season and a healthy bonus structure to match.
A number of points there; I agree with some of what you say but not all. The product on the park is certainly getting weaker but not all of that can be put at the door of the board. It is simple economics. Once upon a time we were in a position to compete in terms of salaries but not any longer. Average players are earning upwards of 50k per week. We have tried to bring in quality players we can afford and, to be fair, we have been fairly successful. It is only over the last 12 months that the investment we have made in guys like Puuki, Balde and Boerrigter has failed us. That being said I see no reason why - from a wagebill of 40m - we can't make room for two or three bigger salaries. Lawwell claims we will spend 6m or 7m on a player when he knows full well it will never happen because such a player is going to want a wage which will blow this ceiling we have put in place out of the water. I also never said we were 'definitely expanding' - I said the club has hit a glass ceiling in terms of income. Even a last eight Champions League place (which cash rich Man City have yet to achieve) won't go anywhere near to plugging the gap between ourselves and the TV revenue from down south and the bigger European leagues. Of course there would be commercial spin-offs from getting to that stage but the money needing spent is far greater than the potential financial reward. The board are right to be cautious. My argument is that they are far too cautious. There are a number of reason why we are where we are and the board has to take a large slice of the blame - but not all of it. Why are we buyig players who have less technical ability than most teams we play in Europe, many of which have a much smaller budget than ours?
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murphio
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29 Aug 2014, 07:15 PM
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Could start a row in an empty room
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- murphio
- 29 Aug 2014, 06:58 PM
- Bawman
- 29 Aug 2014, 05:56 PM
Look at us. The product on the park is getting weaker and weaker, people have been complaining year on year with the demand for Season Books getting less and what do they do? Keep doing the same things that have people complain and season books diminish, i.e. cut their cloth accordingly. Profits continue. How come? We are slashing our wage bill, minimizing investment and selling anything that moves. shampoo we even halved the salary of the manager in the Summer. What a saving there!!
You had said we are definitely in the business of expansion, well the actions of the majority shareholder and those in office are not in a dance with expansion, quite the opposite in fact. Expansion would have us invest a little more in playing staff, give a bigger contract to Wanyama while signing VvD, pay for a quality striker, take a run at the last 8 of the CL, attract a better class of sponsorship, demonstrate to higher profile players that while you might be playing in a weaker domestic league, you will also get to play against European opposition well into the season and a healthy bonus structure to match.
A number of points there; I agree with some of what you say but not all. The product on the park is certainly getting weaker but not all of that can be put at the door of the board. It is simple economics. Once upon a time we were in a position to compete in terms of salaries but not any longer. Average players are earning upwards of 50k per week. We have tried to bring in quality players we can afford and, to be fair, we have been fairly successful. It is only over the last 12 months that the investment we have made in guys like Puuki, Balde and Boerrigter has failed us. That being said I see no reason why - from a wagebill of 40m - we can't make room for two or three bigger salaries. Lawwell claims we will spend 6m or 7m on a player when he knows full well it will never happen because such a player is going to want a wage which will blow this ceiling we have put in place out of the water. I also never said we were 'definitely expanding' - I said the club has hit a glass ceiling in terms of income. Even a last eight Champions League place (which cash rich Man City have yet to achieve) won't go anywhere near to plugging the gap between ourselves and the TV revenue from down south and the bigger European leagues. Of course there would be commercial spin-offs from getting to that stage but the money needing spent is far greater than the potential financial reward. The board are right to be cautious. My argument is that they are far too cautious. There are a number of reason why we are where we are and the board has to take a large slice of the blame - but not all of it.
Why are we buyig players who have less technical ability than most teams we play in Europe, many of which have a much smaller budget than ours? Because our recent scouting, van Dijk apart, has been a complete failure.
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paulfg42
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29 Aug 2014, 07:22 PM
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Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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- 29 Aug 2014, 06:58 PM
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Why are we buyig players who have less technical ability than most teams we play in Europe, many of which have a much smaller budget than ours?
Because our recent scouting, van Dijk apart, has been a complete failure. Agreed. That's why that's the first area of the club that needs a complete rethink.
I'm not asking for an £8 million player. I want to see players who can control a ball and keep possession under pressure. That would be a big improvement on what we have now.
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murphio
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29 Aug 2014, 07:28 PM
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Because our recent scouting, van Dijk apart, has been a complete failure.
Agreed. That's why that's the first area of the club that needs a complete rethink. I'm not asking for an £8 million player. I want to see players who can control a ball and keep possession under pressure. That would be a big improvement on what we have now. Totally agree. We brought in Johansen as a playmaker and his passing is woeful. That is the one player you want to be able to keep the ball - and he loses it constantly.
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29 Aug 2014, 07:32 PM
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first time he speaks on camera, he covers his mouth and then touches his nose - classic examples of lying by body language experts - rest of the "show" off right then
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29 Aug 2014, 07:33 PM
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- 29 Aug 2014, 06:24 PM
PL on STV in an interview on having too much influence on football matters:
"All football matters are decided by the football manager... particularly signing players. Catagorically I don't sign players, John Park doesn't sign players. Ultimately it's the manager"

So Ronny has been keeping tabs on Tonev for the past year or so?
Just remarkable.
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ChiliPepper
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29 Aug 2014, 07:37 PM
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In the Celtic tv interviewer he said it's not that we're downsizing, just that we made bad signings. 1)Scout better then 2) aim higher than pish EPL team flops.
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ChiliPepper
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29 Aug 2014, 07:42 PM
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Some amount of crap from him with this and the celtictv interview. For a number of reasons, he needs to go.
Peter Lawwell is a born liar !! He is egotistical and unfortunately for us .... He is making every decision at Celtic Football Club. Lawwell and Lawwell alone chose Ronny Deila !! I think by that he means that the manager can say no to signings recommended by him and Park.
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sevilliano
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29 Aug 2014, 07:52 PM
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Retired and now a BT Sports pundit
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- 29 Aug 2014, 06:24 PM
PL on STV in an interview on having too much influence on football matters:
"All football matters are decided by the football manager... particularly signing players. Catagorically I don't sign players, John Park doesn't sign players. Ultimately it's the manager"
It's this blatant crap from him that means he's got to go
He is totally shameless
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ssmith81
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29 Aug 2014, 07:55 PM
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Mo..Mo..Super Mo....Super Mo Camara!
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Did he actually try and use Rangers and Hearts admins an example of us being well run? Two of the most mis-managed clubs in recent British history?
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SpiritofLisbon
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29 Aug 2014, 08:00 PM
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Getting noticed in the reserves
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- 29 Aug 2014, 06:24 PM
PL on STV in an interview on having too much influence on football matters:
"All football matters are decided by the football manager... particularly signing players. Catagorically I don't sign players, John Park doesn't sign players. Ultimately it's the manager"
It's this blatant crap from him that means he's got to go He is totally shameless So what Peter the liar Lawwell is saying is that Neil Lennon decided to sign Rami Gershon on loan from Lawwell's big pal Dudu Dahan ha ha ha ha ha
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