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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,922 Views)
tinsoldier
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Bawman
29 Aug 2014, 12:41 PM
Lawwell is an employee. He is doing his employers bidding. Get rid of Lawwell all ye like, they'll just employ somebody else.
Then it requires new control at the very top. A new owner.

How likely Is that to happen?
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Chocky75
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Perry Whyte
29 Aug 2014, 12:41 PM
Going forward- the corporatespeak phrase that replaced proactive for "I haven't a clue but want to sound important"
That's the sort of bull that I hear(and have used myself,lol) in meetings that basically mean we have totally f'ed up but forget about it now and move on.
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Bawman
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tinsoldier
29 Aug 2014, 12:44 PM
Bawman
29 Aug 2014, 12:41 PM
Lawwell is an employee. He is doing his employers bidding. Get rid of Lawwell all ye like, they'll just employ somebody else.
Then it requires new control at the very top. A new owner.

How likely Is that to happen?
Therein is the real issue. I said it before, we have a boardroom of chessplayers not poker players. We are not in the business of football, we are in the business of business. We are out to continue to generate profit, be that in the CL, Europa, selling players etc as long as we generate a profit year on year.
People might not like Lawwell but that's partly why he's paid the way he is. He's a figurehead, a barrier to those that make policy at Celtic. He implements policy.
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The worst thing that could happen to us is if Lawwell left and we got some guy in who thinks what we want is spending 3mil on 27/28 year olds. The policy we have of sign low sell big is a good policy- it has worked very well for us. We've made an awful lot of money from it. What needs to change is how we use the money thereafter. For example, the wage cap must increase as it's wages that determine quality. Last year, we knew Wanyama was leaving, so sell for 12m and give Hooper a better contract and then sell next year, or maybe even the year after- it would have saved us money as we wouldn't have had to sign diddies like Balde, Pukki or Griffiths, plus the standard of the squad stays high. We could also have made Kelvin Wilson's contract sweeter to get him to stay- Wilson and VvD would've been a fantastic central defence and Efe is good back up.

The problem that the board have is that they think we must sell at the first opportune moment, when actually, you can sell maybe one player and use the money to up your better players' wages and therefore keep them. And if Stokes, Forrest or whoever come knocking on your door asking for a wage hike too, you tell them to become the best player in that position or find their wages elsewhere as squad players are easily replaceable, but your starters are not.

If we kept the players I mentioned, we would be in the CL and they'd have paid for themselves, but the board would never risk keeping to players to get more money in the long run, so they'll just punt to the first buyer and replace with some loan signing who, as yet, has done nothing of note to make them worthy of being a Celtic player.
Edited by ChiliPepper, 29 Aug 2014, 01:07 PM.
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The Poacher
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You would think if someone, with lots of money, who wanted to push new ideas ahead at Celtic then there wouldnt be much opposition from the existing bloc.

I dont disagree with Bawman, or anyone else who's ranging action against the custodians, but there has to be a better long term solution to the disconnect, the lack of scrutiny &/or vision.
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Lawwell is a supporter and he shares the pain. Well why doesn't he give up the same percentage of his money as your guy in the stand does to support the team. Why doesn't he start using his holidays and time off to pay his money to follow the team about.

What a patronising tool
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CELTBHOY1988
29 Aug 2014, 12:07 PM
tinsoldier
29 Aug 2014, 12:06 PM
The answer to the Hooper one, the true answer, is “not even remotely close”. Perhaps the boat should have been pushed out just a wee bit to keep instead of the wages offered to a succession of strikers not worthy of the jersey.
We could have given Hooper what he wanted, and got shot of Samaras.
aye hooper.......wot became o him ...fat blazy bassa....no hoper wi norwich...more i think of it i dont think weve signed a good un fae lubo larsson sutton era...
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noelab
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To get rid of DD you need to buy his shares.

Either we tough it out, see the share price drop and hopefully the right people buy. This does leave the chance that a shark buys them and rips us off in similar fashion to the Zombies. The alternative is that his shares get bought now likely at inflated rate by someone with the Clubs best interest at heart. DD would argue that that would be what he has.

I doubt within DD's portfolio that CFC is a huge contributor in terms of dividend.
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Pat McGatt
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Isn't he going to be on Clyde this evening? Hopefully they might actually ask him some more pertinent questions if so, even Delahunt would look like Paxman in comparison to this stunted, staged PR crap.
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SaMule
29 Aug 2014, 12:25 PM
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29 Aug 2014, 12:20 PM
paulfg42
29 Aug 2014, 12:18 PM
Did he actually say all money would be reinvested in the club rather than the team?
I picked up on that too. :thumbsup:
In fairness, Deila did say about wanting a full size indoor training pitch recently, so the money for that will have to come from somewhere.
I was thinking that lawwell was probably thinking more about his wages and bonus when talking about the money being reinvested in the club.
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SaMule
29 Aug 2014, 12:25 PM
fatboab
29 Aug 2014, 12:20 PM
paulfg42
29 Aug 2014, 12:18 PM
Did he actually say all money would be reinvested in the club rather than the team?
I picked up on that too. :thumbsup:
In fairness, Deila did say about wanting a full size indoor training pitch recently, so the money for that will have to come from somewhere.
I think he might have kissed goodbye to that plan the other night..
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reading on the update of what was said a few pages back just angered me more. at no point is he holding himself accountable, or anyone on the board. thats the way it always is, he just goes with, not what we hoped for, but we will move on pish. no we didnt replace with better, but we aim to do that. if yer not doing the job you give yourself a massive paycheck to do then how bad does it need to get?!
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Joe the Baker
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Customary wee dig at the huns. Hearts thrown in as well.

Pathetic. Most on here could have written that patronizing pish.

Get to eff Lawwell.

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PL " well that's all I have time for guys, it's the last Friday of the month, pay day. Need to take the wife for a BIG shop. Well a new BMW actually, and it's all thanks to you. Remember we're all hurting."
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He was completely disingenuous with some of his comments. He says Lenny spent 30m. And while that is obviously true the club has brought in something like 50m ftom the sales of McGeady, Fortune, Boruc, McManus, Maloney, Hoeiveld, Ki, Hooper, Ledley, Wanyama, Wilson and Forster. That is before we even account for a single penny from two Champions League campaigns including a last 16 place. To suggest that money has been reinvested in the team is utter, utter nonsense.
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Joe the Baker
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murphio
29 Aug 2014, 01:39 PM
He was completely disingenuous with some of his comments. He says Lenny spent 30m. And while that is obviously true the club has brought in something like 50m ftom the sales of McGeady, Fortune, Boruc, McManus, Maloney, Hoeiveld, Ki, Hooper, Ledley, Wanyama, Wilson and Forster. That is before we even account for a single penny from two Champions League campaigns including a last 16 place. To suggest that money has been reinvested in the team is utter, utter nonsense.
Add to that the money we got for the commonwealth games lease.
£5 million or so ?
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Pistol Pete shoots himself in the foot.

Over to us.
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It sure is easy to hurt on £1m per year.
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Bawman
29 Aug 2014, 12:41 PM
Lawwell is an employee. He is doing his employers bidding. Get rid of Lawwell all ye like, they'll just employ somebody else.
And maybe that someone will implement the policy of living within our means better then Lawwell has? For example, by not acting as de facto DoF, by using the large amounts of money we sill have available better, by reviewing the systems and personnel we have in place and assessing how effective they are, by setting out the vision and the strategy to fans in a more honest way, by making the football side of the club as successful as the business/financial side.

Lawwell might be acting to DD's and the board's directives but he's not doing it very well. The supporters are a key factor in the 'business' so the club, from top to bottom, need to pay much more attention to the quality of what's happening on the pitch.
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