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Generic SPFL Thread; all the other stuff
Topic Started: 5 Apr 2014, 05:29 PM (152,732 Views)
Mackin
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smudgethecat
6 Jun 2018, 07:59 AM
Butters
5 Jun 2018, 04:23 PM
If we can vote to send Sevco to the third division despite Sky wanting 4 Celtic - Rangers games surely we could vote to have only 2 Celtoic - Sevco games a year.

It's the other 10 clubs who want their 2 home games against us & Sevco that are the problem.

If the SPFL want to stop Celtic winning the league having everyone play us only twice rather than 4 times would help the challenger whoever they may be.
Hang on, no one voted Sevco to the third division.
Glasgow Rangers were liquidated. Sevco applied for a license and were granted it. They began like any other new team in the third division. It's not difficult to understand.
That is true.

Butters is also correct. There was a vote to let them into the SPL, there was also a vote about sending them straight into the First division.
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Forza
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Mackin
6 Jun 2018, 09:14 AM
smudgethecat
6 Jun 2018, 07:59 AM
Butters
5 Jun 2018, 04:23 PM
If we can vote to send Sevco to the third division despite Sky wanting 4 Celtic - Rangers games surely we could vote to have only 2 Celtoic - Sevco games a year.

It's the other 10 clubs who want their 2 home games against us & Sevco that are the problem.

If the SPFL want to stop Celtic winning the league having everyone play us only twice rather than 4 times would help the challenger whoever they may be.
Hang on, no one voted Sevco to the third division.
Glasgow Rangers were liquidated. Sevco applied for a license and were granted it. They began like any other new team in the third division. It's not difficult to understand.
That is true.

Butters is also correct. There was a vote to let them into the SPL, there was also a vote about sending them straight into the First division.
Yep. They've become very good at re-writing history. However that doesn't mean we should join them.

The was an SPL vote on Oldco's share being taken by Newco. It was rejected. Dundee became Club 12 instead.

There was then an SFL vote on Newco entering into the First Division. It was also rejected. Airdrie moved up to the First Division, Stranraer were moved up to the Second Division.
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“The events which culminated
in Rangers Football Club entering into liquidation
- and subsequently being accommodated in Scottish Football League Division Three – have been well documented and have had major implications for the entire senior game”

SFA President Campbell Ogilvie 2013.

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smudgethecat
6 Jun 2018, 07:59 AM
Butters
5 Jun 2018, 04:23 PM
If we can vote to send Sevco to the third division despite Sky wanting 4 Celtic - Rangers games surely we could vote to have only 2 Celtoic - Sevco games a year.

It's the other 10 clubs who want their 2 home games against us & Sevco that are the problem.

If the SPFL want to stop Celtic winning the league having everyone play us only twice rather than 4 times would help the challenger whoever they may be.
Hang on, no one voted Sevco to the third division.
Glasgow Rangers were liquidated. Sevco applied for a license and were granted it. They began like any other new team in the third division. It's not difficult to understand.
So there was no vote to parachute Sevco in to the SPL & let them become club 12?

Sevco applied to take Oldco place in the league & it was voted down by the SPL clubs, sending them to division one was also knocked back by the lower league clubs but that if I remember right didn't get as far as a vote.

It's not difficult to understand.
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littlegmbhoy
5 Jun 2018, 04:42 PM
pieol
5 Jun 2018, 04:27 PM
littlegmbhoy
5 Jun 2018, 04:11 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepa place in a structured set up should be found for them to reflect their status.
Being Cove Rangers chairman shouldn't preclude him from being high up in the SFA. Some of the best administrators will be at lower league clubs.
IMO it should. What does he know about the larger clubs and their needs? He has never ran one nor has any idea what it takes for revenues and growth with at times hundreds of thousands of followers.

Say what we you want about Petire but he has an idea about how to run things & will ahev a better acumen at that level.

Smaller clubs should have no bearing on decisions that effect the top tier.

Classic eaxmple is Cowdenbeath winning 4 games all season..yet dont get booted out of the league.

Or indeed getting his pal Mcleish (Mcrae was his testimonail chairman) the manager gig.

No other business nor organisation would it be acceptable with our 40 odd teams playing in 4 leagues. Its literally insane.
I get what you're saying, but you only need to look at charlatans like our old board, and basically everyone who's run the huns over the last few years, to see that simply having the job of running a big club doesn't mean that you're actually any good at doing so.

There's no reason why someone who runs a lower league club couldn't turn out to be a very capable administrator of the wider game. The problem comes from most Scottish clubs - big and small - having parochial nincompoops in charge. Get better people running the clubs and that will ultimately filter up to administrative level.
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Butters
6 Jun 2018, 10:27 AM
smudgethecat
6 Jun 2018, 07:59 AM
Butters
5 Jun 2018, 04:23 PM
If we can vote to send Sevco to the third division despite Sky wanting 4 Celtic - Rangers games surely we could vote to have only 2 Celtoic - Sevco games a year.

It's the other 10 clubs who want their 2 home games against us & Sevco that are the problem.

If the SPFL want to stop Celtic winning the league having everyone play us only twice rather than 4 times would help the challenger whoever they may be.
Hang on, no one voted Sevco to the third division.
Glasgow Rangers were liquidated. Sevco applied for a license and were granted it. They began like any other new team in the third division. It's not difficult to understand.
So there was no vote to parachute Sevco in to the SPL & let them become club 12?

Sevco applied to take Oldco place in the league & it was voted down by the SPL clubs, sending them to division one was also knocked back by the lower league clubs but that if I remember right didn't get as far as a vote.

It's not difficult to understand.
There was an SFL vote. 25 of 30 voted to have Sevco in the bottom tier, although I think Airdrie abstained due to their chairman being vice-chair of the SFL. Or it might have been due to his allegiances. :suspect:

29 of 30 voted to have them as an associate member of the SFL.
Edited by Forza, 6 Jun 2018, 10:34 AM.
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Butters
6 Jun 2018, 10:27 AM
smudgethecat
6 Jun 2018, 07:59 AM
Butters
5 Jun 2018, 04:23 PM
If we can vote to send Sevco to the third division despite Sky wanting 4 Celtic - Rangers games surely we could vote to have only 2 Celtoic - Sevco games a year.

It's the other 10 clubs who want their 2 home games against us & Sevco that are the problem.

If the SPFL want to stop Celtic winning the league having everyone play us only twice rather than 4 times would help the challenger whoever they may be.
Hang on, no one voted Sevco to the third division.
Glasgow Rangers were liquidated. Sevco applied for a license and were granted it. They began like any other new team in the third division. It's not difficult to understand.
So there was no vote to parachute Sevco in to the SPL & let them become club 12?

Sevco applied to take Oldco place in the league & it was voted down by the SPL clubs, sending them to division one was also knocked back by the lower league clubs but that if I remember right didn't get as far as a vote.

It's not difficult to understand.
Aye sorry for the 'its not difficult to understand' cheek.

It might be semantics, but the vote was to parachute them into the SPL. There was no vote to 'send' them to division 3. Sevco chose to enter at div 3 with help from a compliant football authority. It was better than they could have wished for, and trampled over the Spartans of this world.

It's not normally important, but when you have huns everywhere trying to rewrite history.....

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Forza
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littlegmbhoy
5 Jun 2018, 04:42 PM
pieol
5 Jun 2018, 04:27 PM
littlegmbhoy
5 Jun 2018, 04:11 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepa place in a structured set up should be found for them to reflect their status.
Being Cove Rangers chairman shouldn't preclude him from being high up in the SFA. Some of the best administrators will be at lower league clubs.
IMO it should. What does he know about the larger clubs and their needs? He has never ran one nor has any idea what it takes for revenues and growth with at times hundreds of thousands of followers.

Say what we you want about Petire but he has an idea about how to run things & will ahev a better acumen at that level.

Smaller clubs should have no bearing on decisions that effect the top tier.

Classic eaxmple is Cowdenbeath winning 4 games all season..yet dont get booted out of the league.

Or indeed getting his pal Mcleish (Mcrae was his testimonail chairman) the manager gig.

No other business nor organisation would it be acceptable with our 40 odd teams playing in 4 leagues. Its literally insane.
Petrie was that capable he chaired the SFA Licensing Committee in 2011 that waved through the Deadco accounts ending up with the granting of that UEFA licence.

Petrie was that capable that he managed to oversee the relegation of the fourth or fifth biggest club in Scotland. Twice.

He was also part of the SFA Board faction that wanted McLeish as Scotland manager (he'd appointed him as Hibs manager), and is apparently in agreement with Gary Hughes no longer being part of the SFA Board, because he sees an easier voting path to him getting the Presidency after Macrae.

He was involved in the Five Way Agreement.

He also wants to "move on" from the Supreme Court EBT decision fallout and is keen for the licensing issue to go away. In short, he is the biggest current barrier to progress because he has presided over many of these legacy issues.

The bottom 20 clubs share about 9% of SPFL revenue. They are represented on the SPFL Board by one member, compared to three from the Premiership and two from the Championship. They are not exactly landing significant blows against progress. Most of them are quite aware of their place in the food chain, and focus largely on their community role.
Edited by Forza, 6 Jun 2018, 11:01 AM.
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smudgethecat
6 Jun 2018, 10:54 AM
Butters
6 Jun 2018, 10:27 AM
smudgethecat
6 Jun 2018, 07:59 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
So there was no vote to parachute Sevco in to the SPL & let them become club 12?

Sevco applied to take Oldco place in the league & it was voted down by the SPL clubs, sending them to division one was also knocked back by the lower league clubs but that if I remember right didn't get as far as a vote.

It's not difficult to understand.
Aye sorry for the 'its not difficult to understand' cheek.

It might be semantics, but the vote was to parachute them into the SPL. There was no vote to 'send' them to division 3. Sevco chose to enter at div 3 with help from a compliant football authority. It was better than they could have wished for, and trampled over the Spartans of this world.

It's not normally important, but when you have huns everywhere trying to rewrite history.....

What you are saying is fundamentally not true though. There WAS an SFL vote about where Sevco should start life. One of the options was the First Division. In the end the clubs took a vote and 25 of 30 were in favour of them starting in the Third Division.

There was also a vote on whether they should become an associate member of the SFL, which was passed.

You are quite right to say that they accepted it, but they had no other choice.
Edited by Forza, 6 Jun 2018, 11:06 AM.
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Forza
6 Jun 2018, 11:00 AM
smudgethecat
6 Jun 2018, 10:54 AM
Butters
6 Jun 2018, 10:27 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Aye sorry for the 'its not difficult to understand' cheek.

It might be semantics, but the vote was to parachute them into the SPL. There was no vote to 'send' them to division 3. Sevco chose to enter at div 3 with help from a compliant football authority. It was better than they could have wished for, and trampled over the Spartans of this world.

It's not normally important, but when you have huns everywhere trying to rewrite history.....

What you are saying is fundamentally not true though. There WAS an SFL vote about where Sevco should start life. One of the options was the First Division. In the end the clubs took a vote and 25 of 30 were in favour of them starting in the Third Division.

There was also a vote on whether they should become an associate member of the SFL, which was passed.

You are quite right to say that they accepted it, but they had no other choice.
It’s all semantics but the vote was to allow the new club entry to the SFL. At the bottom.
Edited by Dubz, 6 Jun 2018, 11:14 AM.
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I stand corrected.
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Dubz
6 Jun 2018, 08:02 AM
IainG
5 Jun 2018, 03:57 PM
Hairytoes
5 Jun 2018, 02:52 PM
Too many Scottish clubs will always be the issue, some should just merge like Inverness did & like they did maybe bring some football success to their area (if that's what they want?).
Lawell has called it correctly in saying the spfl should take the reigns more.
Agree with this. In a small,lightly populated county like Angus for instance there are 4 senior clubs and the two Dundee clubs are near at hand. I don't necessarly want these clubs to vanish. They are important focal points for the communities but a place in a structured set up should be found for them to reflect their status.
Those four clubs are only important for the cheating bastards who throw games against each other so they can win big at the bookies every month. Carrots.

Bomb ra lot o them.
Never heard this before, any evidence or substantiated rumour?
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TheScotsman
8 Jun 2018, 01:27 AM
Dubz
6 Jun 2018, 08:02 AM
IainG
5 Jun 2018, 03:57 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Those four clubs are only important for the cheating bastards who throw games against each other so they can win big at the bookies every month. Carrots.

Bomb ra lot o them.
Never heard this before, any evidence or substantiated rumour?
Neither has anyone else.

:lol:
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Same old Alloa...

https://stv.tv/sport/football/1418522-alloa-shrink-pitch-to-gain-a-championship-advantage/

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Alloa Athletic have redrawn the dimensions of their pitch, making it narrower in an attempt to give them an advantage in the Championship next season.

The newly-promoted side have repeated a move they believe served them well in the league two years ago, hoping a tight pitch can help them better full-time opponents.

The pitch at the Indodrill Stadium was the widest in Scotland, but has been drastically drawn in by a total of nine metres to meet the minimum width required in the laws of the game.
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JamesM
13 Jun 2018, 10:35 AM
Same old Alloa...

https://stv.tv/sport/football/1418522-alloa-shrink-pitch-to-gain-a-championship-advantage/

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Alloa Athletic have redrawn the dimensions of their pitch, making it narrower in an attempt to give them an advantage in the Championship next season.

The newly-promoted side have repeated a move they believe served them well in the league two years ago, hoping a tight pitch can help them better full-time opponents.

The pitch at the Indodrill Stadium was the widest in Scotland, but has been drastically drawn in by a total of nine metres to meet the minimum width required in the laws of the game.
Saw tha on the news yesterday. Total joke but you need to admire their baws.
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13 Jun 2018, 10:35 AM
Same old Alloa...

https://stv.tv/sport/football/1418522-alloa-shrink-pitch-to-gain-a-championship-advantage/

Quote:
 
Alloa Athletic have redrawn the dimensions of their pitch, making it narrower in an attempt to give them an advantage in the Championship next season.

The newly-promoted side have repeated a move they believe served them well in the league two years ago, hoping a tight pitch can help them better full-time opponents.

The pitch at the Indodrill Stadium was the widest in Scotland, but has been drastically drawn in by a total of nine metres to meet the minimum width required in the laws of the game.
It's no wonder we can't produce players that qualify for world cups when we have teams that make pitches as small as possible, and teams that grow the grass too long to let players play decent football.
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13 Jun 2018, 03:22 PM
JamesM
13 Jun 2018, 10:35 AM
Same old Alloa...

https://stv.tv/sport/football/1418522-alloa-shrink-pitch-to-gain-a-championship-advantage/

Quote:
 
Alloa Athletic have redrawn the dimensions of their pitch, making it narrower in an attempt to give them an advantage in the Championship next season.

The newly-promoted side have repeated a move they believe served them well in the league two years ago, hoping a tight pitch can help them better full-time opponents.

The pitch at the Indodrill Stadium was the widest in Scotland, but has been drastically drawn in by a total of nine metres to meet the minimum width required in the laws of the game.
It's no wonder we can't produce players that qualify for world cups when we have teams that make pitches as small as possible, and teams that grow the grass too long to let players play decent football.
The owner of the club is an SFA Board and Professional Game Board member too.

The mind boggles.
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BoboBalde6
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SPFL players past and present World Cup 11:

Kasper Schmeichel, Denmark (ex Falkirk)

Cristian Gamboa, Costa Rica (Celtic) :home18:
Kari Arnason, Iceland (ex Aberdeen)
Dedryk Boyata, Belgium (Celtic) :home18:
Bruno Alves, Portugal (Rangers)
Mikael Lustig, Sweden (Celtic) :home18:

Tom Rogic, Australia (Celtic) :home18:
Jackson Irvine, Australia (ex Celtic/Kilmarnock/Ross County) :home18:
Aaron Mooy, Australia (ex St Mirren)

Jamie MacLaren, Australia (ex Hibs)
John Guidetti, Sweden (ex Celtic) :home18:
Edited by BoboBalde6, 13 Jun 2018, 09:30 PM.
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BoboBalde6
13 Jun 2018, 09:29 PM
SPFL players past and present World Cup 11:

Kasper Schmeichel, Denmark (ex Falkirk)

Cristian Gamboa, Costa Rica (Celtic) :home18:
Kari Arnason, Iceland (ex Aberdeen)
Dedryk Boyata, Belgium (Celtic) :home18:
Bruno Alves, Portugal (Rangers)
Mikael Lustig, Sweden (Celtic) :home18:

Tom Rogic, Australia (Celtic) :home18:
Jackson Irvine, Australia (ex Celtic/Kilmarnock/Ross County) :home18:
Aaron Mooy, Australia (ex St Mirren)

Jamie MacLaren, Australia (ex Hibs)
John Guidetti, Sweden (ex Celtic) :home18:
Just as well Rogic can do it all himself.
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Forza
13 Jun 2018, 03:35 PM
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13 Jun 2018, 03:22 PM
JamesM
13 Jun 2018, 10:35 AM
It's no wonder we can't produce players that qualify for world cups when we have teams that make pitches as small as possible, and teams that grow the grass too long to let players play decent football.
The owner of the club is an SFA Board and Professional Game Board member too.

The mind boggles.
I don't think the goings on at teams like Alloa have any impact on the Scottish national team.
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