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Topic Started: 5 Apr 2014, 05:29 PM (152,735 Views)
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Maybe the delight at Livi promotion will be tempered somewhat now. Looking like whipping boys in waiting, just what every automatic one up one down League needs for excitement
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31 May 2018, 05:21 PM
Maybe the delight at Livi promotion will be tempered somewhat now. Looking like whipping boys in waiting, just what every automatic one up one down League needs for excitement
They would be the same if Hopkin had stayed and it was probably part of his decision to leave.

They will bring nothing to the premiership, joke of a club. It’s been a haven for criminals, chancers and gangsters ever since they moved to West Lothian.
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31 May 2018, 05:32 PM
Pussyfoot
31 May 2018, 05:21 PM
Maybe the delight at Livi promotion will be tempered somewhat now. Looking like whipping boys in waiting, just what every automatic one up one down League needs for excitement
They would be the same if Hopkin had stayed and it was probably part of his decision to leave.

They will bring nothing to the premiership, joke of a club. It’s been a haven for criminals, chancers and gangsters ever since they moved to West Lothian.
Hibs, Hearts or United can have twenty good seasons in the Premier but the law of averages and our abnormal setup catches up eventually, one or two bad campaigns, a dodgy appointment and then it's multiple years down the 2nd League. Harsh and pretty boring when it's plastic pitches and what you've mentioned above that comes up as replacement.

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31 May 2018, 05:41 PM
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31 May 2018, 05:32 PM
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31 May 2018, 05:21 PM
Maybe the delight at Livi promotion will be tempered somewhat now. Looking like whipping boys in waiting, just what every automatic one up one down League needs for excitement
They would be the same if Hopkin had stayed and it was probably part of his decision to leave.

They will bring nothing to the premiership, joke of a club. It’s been a haven for criminals, chancers and gangsters ever since they moved to West Lothian.
Hibs, Hearts or United can have twenty good seasons in the Premier but the law of averages and our abnormal setup catches up eventually, one or two bad campaigns, a dodgy appointment and then it's multiple years down the 2nd League. Harsh and pretty boring when it's plastic pitches and what you've mentioned above that comes up as replacement.

It's not Livingston's fault that Dundee Utd are a effing shambles and Thistle decided not to show up to the playoff's. Utd especially, had both an automatic place and playoff place to aim for and royally effed it. I didn't like the previous one up one down system but I think the current setup is fair enough for a league with only twelve teams.

Hibs, Hearts and Utd will always have the resources to bounce back at the first attempt and its only their own ineptness that ever stops them doing it.
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31 May 2018, 05:21 PM
Maybe the delight at Livi promotion will be tempered somewhat now. Looking like whipping boys in waiting, just what every automatic one up one down League needs for excitement
They would be the same if Hopkin had stayed and it was probably part of his decision to leave.

They will bring nothing to the premiership, joke of a club. It’s been a haven for criminals, chancers and gangsters ever since they moved to West Lothian.
Josh Cullen, one of their regular starters, left them for a Championship club, citing that it was “best for his development”. Sounds like he doesn’t want to be one of the whipping boys, either.
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Maybe the delight at Livi promotion will be tempered somewhat now. Looking like whipping boys in waiting, just what every automatic one up one down League needs for excitement
They would be the same if Hopkin had stayed and it was probably part of his decision to leave.

They will bring nothing to the premiership, joke of a club. It’s been a haven for criminals, chancers and gangsters ever since they moved to West Lothian.
Josh Cullen, one of their regular starters, left them for a Championship club, citing that it was “best for his development”. Sounds like he doesn’t want to be one of the whipping boys either.
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31 May 2018, 05:41 PM
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31 May 2018, 05:32 PM

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Hibs, Hearts or United can have twenty good seasons in the Premier but the law of averages and our abnormal setup catches up eventually, one or two bad campaigns, a dodgy appointment and then it's multiple years down the 2nd League. Harsh and pretty boring when it's plastic pitches and what you've mentioned above that comes up as replacement.

It's not Livingston's fault that Dundee Utd are a effing shambles and Thistle decided not to show up to the playoff's. Utd especially, had both an automatic place and playoff place to aim for and royally effed it. I didn't like the previous one up one down system but I think the current setup is fair enough for a league with only twelve teams.

Hibs, Hearts and Utd will always have the resources to bounce back at the first attempt and its only their own ineptness that ever stops them doing it.
Completely agree, it's the mini League of 12 that is the issue.
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31 May 2018, 05:41 PM

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It's not Livingston's fault that Dundee Utd are a effing shambles and Thistle decided not to show up to the playoff's. Utd especially, had both an automatic place and playoff place to aim for and royally effed it. I didn't like the previous one up one down system but I think the current setup is fair enough for a league with only twelve teams.

Hibs, Hearts and Utd will always have the resources to bounce back at the first attempt and its only their own ineptness that ever stops them doing it.
Completely agree, it's the mini League of 12 that is the issue.
I’d love a sixteen team league. It’d make each fixture more meaningful and our players woulld play 8 less games a season. We are playing a crazy amount of games each season now.
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Completely agree, it's the mini League of 12 that is the issue.
I’d love a sixteen team league. It’d make each fixture more meaningful and our players woulld play 8 less games a season. We are playing a crazy amount of games each season now.
30 games wouldn't be enough for a top flight league, would probably still require a split into a championship and relegation group (Should probably make this clear by creating two new groups of 1st through to 8th place rather than drawing a line through the table as they currently do) which would result in a 37 game season, which is only one less than we currently play (15 teams home and away, and then 7 games in championship or relegation group following the split).

I agree it would make things much more competitive and interesting with the increased pool of teams, though, lots of championship teams and lowers ends of the premiership are about the same level. Would probably make sense for us to have a pyramid with two 16 team leagues (Prem 12 + top 4 championship sides and then a second flight of the remaining championship teams and the entirety of League 1), retain the existing league 2 as the new League 1, and then the tier below that being Highlands and Lowlands as it currently is. It wouldn't be a massive restructuring if you actually consider it, just building on the existing system and trying to iron out the flaws.

Also should ditch the Premiership, Championship, League 1 shampoo as it's only reinforcing the stereotype of us being a feeder league to the EPL by copying their naming system, think of our own and create a distinct identity for the league - Lìog na h-Alba or something like that.
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I’d love a sixteen team league. It’d make each fixture more meaningful and our players woulld play 8 less games a season. We are playing a crazy amount of games each season now.
30 games wouldn't be enough for a top flight league, would probably still require a split into a championship and relegation group (Should probably make this clear by creating two new groups of 1st through to 8th place rather than drawing a line through the table as they currently do) which would result in a 37 game season, which is only one less than we currently play (15 teams home and away, and then 7 games in championship or relegation group following the split).

I agree it would make things much more competitive and interesting with the increased pool of teams, though, lots of championship teams and lowers ends of the premiership are about the same level. Would probably make sense for us to have a pyramid with two 16 team leagues (Prem 12 + top 4 championship sides and then a second flight of the remaining championship teams and the entirety of League 1), retain the existing league 2 as the new League 1, and then the tier below that being Highlands and Lowlands as it currently is. It wouldn't be a massive restructuring if you actually consider it, just building on the existing system and trying to iron out the flaws.
We have 16 teams, 30 games and no championship or relegation groups in Sweden. Think Norway is the same as well :thumbsup:

Did have a championship play-off with two-legged semi finals and finals a few decades ago though
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30 games wouldn't be enough for a top flight league, would probably still require a split into a championship and relegation group (Should probably make this clear by creating two new groups of 1st through to 8th place rather than drawing a line through the table as they currently do) which would result in a 37 game season, which is only one less than we currently play (15 teams home and away, and then 7 games in championship or relegation group following the split).

I agree it would make things much more competitive and interesting with the increased pool of teams, though, lots of championship teams and lowers ends of the premiership are about the same level. Would probably make sense for us to have a pyramid with two 16 team leagues (Prem 12 + top 4 championship sides and then a second flight of the remaining championship teams and the entirety of League 1), retain the existing league 2 as the new League 1, and then the tier below that being Highlands and Lowlands as it currently is. It wouldn't be a massive restructuring if you actually consider it, just building on the existing system and trying to iron out the flaws.
We have 16 teams, 30 games and no championship or relegation groups in Sweden. Think Norway is the same as well :thumbsup:

Did have a championship play-off with two-legged semi finals and finals a few decades ago though
Problem is, most teams rely on the funds generated from home games against us and the huns.

If I was in charge of a team like Killie, i'd not want to cut that income.
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30 games wouldn't be enough for a top flight league, would probably still require a split into a championship and relegation group (Should probably make this clear by creating two new groups of 1st through to 8th place rather than drawing a line through the table as they currently do) which would result in a 37 game season, which is only one less than we currently play (15 teams home and away, and then 7 games in championship or relegation group following the split).

I agree it would make things much more competitive and interesting with the increased pool of teams, though, lots of championship teams and lowers ends of the premiership are about the same level. Would probably make sense for us to have a pyramid with two 16 team leagues (Prem 12 + top 4 championship sides and then a second flight of the remaining championship teams and the entirety of League 1), retain the existing league 2 as the new League 1, and then the tier below that being Highlands and Lowlands as it currently is. It wouldn't be a massive restructuring if you actually consider it, just building on the existing system and trying to iron out the flaws.
We have 16 teams, 30 games and no championship or relegation groups in Sweden. Think Norway is the same as well :thumbsup:

Did have a championship play-off with two-legged semi finals and finals a few decades ago though
:thumbsup: I think a fair few leagues do thirty game seasons. I don’t really see a problem with it, especially since we now play 14 European games to even get to the round of sixteen. Even an 18 team league is workable. Think it increases the chances of dead rubbers towards the end of the season though.

I am aware the clubs will never vote for less home games.
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2 Jun 2018, 10:32 AM
Also should ditch the Premiership, Championship, League 1 shampoo as it's only reinforcing the stereotype of us being a feeder league to the EPL by copying their naming system, think of our own and create a distinct identity for the league - Lìog na h-Alba or something like that.
This also really annoys me more than it should.

The reason the English system has that naming system is that the Premiership and the EFL are different bodies.

When you win the Championship you are leaving the EFL ago join the Premier League. Scotland has no such 'border' between the leagues and it's just a lady copy of the English system.

We really should have our own identity.
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Also should ditch the Premiership, Championship, League 1 shampoo as it's only reinforcing the stereotype of us being a feeder league to the EPL by copying their naming system, think of our own and create a distinct identity for the league - Lìog na h-Alba or something like that.
This also really annoys me more than it should.

The reason the English system has that naming system is that the Premiership and the EFL are different bodies.

When you win the Championship you are leaving the EFL ago join the Premier League. Scotland has no such 'border' between the leagues and it's just a lady copy of the English system.

We really should have our own identity.
Yep a great insight into the masterminds running our game up here.
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Also should ditch the Premiership, Championship, League 1 shampoo as it's only reinforcing the stereotype of us being a feeder league to the EPL by copying their naming system, think of our own and create a distinct identity for the league - Lìog na h-Alba or something like that.
This also really annoys me more than it should.

The reason the English system has that naming system is that the Premiership and the EFL are different bodies.

When you win the Championship you are leaving the EFL ago join the Premier League. Scotland has no such 'border' between the leagues and it's just a lady copy of the English system.

We really should have our own identity.
I genuinely hate that we've copied the English naming system, especially as the English naming system is effing shampooe too regardless of the difference between the EPL and the EFL.

League Two is four divisions off the top league ffs, how does that work? :cuckoo: That said, the English using it is just daft marketing nonsense. When we use it though it smacks of total desperation, lack of imagination and fear of being seen to be different.

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Scotland's professional footballers have voted Hamilton Academical's pitch as the worst in the country.

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What a shock!
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Scotland's professional footballers have voted Hamilton Academical's pitch as the worst in the country.

PFA Survey.

What a shock!
And Fir Park as the best.

Most improved, perhaps...
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Scotland's professional footballers have voted Hamilton Academical's pitch as the worst in the country.

PFA Survey.

What a shock!
And Livingston is laying one right now. :ffs:
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I’d love a sixteen team league. It’d make each fixture more meaningful and our players woulld play 8 less games a season. We are playing a crazy amount of games each season now.
30 games wouldn't be enough for a top flight league, would probably still require a split into a championship and relegation group (Should probably make this clear by creating two new groups of 1st through to 8th place rather than drawing a line through the table as they currently do) which would result in a 37 game season, which is only one less than we currently play (15 teams home and away, and then 7 games in championship or relegation group following the split).

I agree it would make things much more competitive and interesting with the increased pool of teams, though, lots of championship teams and lowers ends of the premiership are about the same level. Would probably make sense for us to have a pyramid with two 16 team leagues (Prem 12 + top 4 championship sides and then a second flight of the remaining championship teams and the entirety of League 1), retain the existing league 2 as the new League 1, and then the tier below that being Highlands and Lowlands as it currently is. It wouldn't be a massive restructuring if you actually consider it, just building on the existing system and trying to iron out the flaws.

Also should ditch the Premiership, Championship, League 1 shampoo as it's only reinforcing the stereotype of us being a feeder league to the EPL by copying their naming system, think of our own and create a distinct identity for the league - Lìog na h-Alba or something like that.
Would make it less likely for a team other than us to win the league as they could only drop a max of 6 points against us.
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Scotland's professional footballers have voted Hamilton Academical's pitch as the worst in the country.

PFA Survey.

What a shock!
Everyone has managed fine on grass here longer than any nation except England, again we're adopting winter sport nations philosophies when we in truth lay down the foundations, along with the English, for everything that had followed since, everywhere.

We need to stop adopting unnecessary and complicated ideas. A clear lack of innovation in-house matched by an inability to simplify where necessary.
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