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Generic SPFL Thread; all the other stuff
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19 Dec 2017, 03:54 PM
Was thinking about making a thread like this so we could talk about other teams in the SPFL (outwith Sevco) and what's happening in the league in general, but a quick search turned this one up, hope the bump isn't an issue :thumbsup: I'll admit to being quite ignorant of the goings on at other SPFL clubs and thought it would be good to have a place to fire things into and discuss! For example I saw Aberdeen are building a new 10m training facility, and plans for a 40m stadium are being considered:

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/aberdeen-fc/donsnews/dons-chairman-milne-tells-agm-determination-deliver-50m-stadium-training-facility/

Nice to see them showing ambition as the second best club in Scotland, hope they continue to build and improve, can only be good in the long run for the league
Major issue now is the local village Westhill protesting the location. Taking a look at Google Maps the stadium would be about four hundred metres from the entrance to Westhill on the main road.

Was looking very promising but this might put an end to it. All up in the air until January.
NIMBY bollocks of the worst kind, IMO.

Having lived up in Aberdeen for a short while, it is in keeping with a few other proposed capital works projects designed to improve the lot of the local area and which provide jobs, inward investment etc. They never got off the ground either because so many of the inward looking locals, whether councillors or otherwise, are frequently at each others throats.

This is the place where one dude (who subsequently moved to Newcastle) held up the building of the AWPR for a good three years with lone crusade legal challenges. :ffs: The fear for the Sheep is that this Westhill mob will go the same route.

Plenty controversy among Sheep fans as to whether the stadium is too far out, and how easy it will be to access, which is fair. But the Westhill locals have cited everything short of the Apocalypse for blocking the building of a new 20,000 stadium and training ground when they appear blind to the potential community benefits both would inevitably bring.
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Murderwell getting 500k for Moult , who had 6 months left on his deal, is excellent business from them

I can't help but think that Alex Neill is paying double than what he could be paying & is trying to help them/spfl :hmmm:
Edited by tonyjaa-csc, 19 Dec 2017, 05:37 PM.
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Murderwell getting 500k for Moult , who had 6 months left on his deal, is excellent business from them

I can't help but think that Alex Neill is paying double than what he could be paying & is trying to help them/spfl :hmmm:
He also seen fit to give Hamilton a million quid for Tony Andreu when he was manager of Norwich. :lmao:

Agent Neil indeed.
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19 Dec 2017, 05:36 PM
Murderwell getting 500k for Moult , who had 6 months left on his deal, is excellent business from them

I can't help but think that Alex Neill is paying double than what he could be paying & is trying to help them/spfl :hmmm:
He also seen fit to give Hamilton a million quid for Tony Andreu when he was manager of Norwich. :lmao:

Agent Neil indeed.
:lol:

Pity they then went and squandered that to a dodgy African investment banker though :doh:
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19 Dec 2017, 04:10 PM
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19 Dec 2017, 03:54 PM
Was thinking about making a thread like this so we could talk about other teams in the SPFL (outwith Sevco) and what's happening in the league in general, but a quick search turned this one up, hope the bump isn't an issue :thumbsup: I'll admit to being quite ignorant of the goings on at other SPFL clubs and thought it would be good to have a place to fire things into and discuss! For example I saw Aberdeen are building a new 10m training facility, and plans for a 40m stadium are being considered:

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/aberdeen-fc/donsnews/dons-chairman-milne-tells-agm-determination-deliver-50m-stadium-training-facility/

Nice to see them showing ambition as the second best club in Scotland, hope they continue to build and improve, can only be good in the long run for the league
Major issue now is the local village Westhill protesting the location. Taking a look at Google Maps the stadium would be about four hundred metres from the entrance to Westhill on the main road.

Was looking very promising but this might put an end to it. All up in the air until January.
NIMBY bollocks of the worst kind, IMO.

Having lived up in Aberdeen for a short while, it is in keeping with a few other proposed capital works projects designed to improve the lot of the local area and which provide jobs, inward investment etc. They never got off the ground either because so many of the inward looking locals, whether councillors or otherwise, are frequently at each others throats.

This is the place where one dude (who subsequently moved to Newcastle) held up the building of the AWPR for a good three years with lone crusade legal challenges. :ffs: The fear for the Sheep is that this Westhill mob will go the same route.

Plenty controversy among Sheep fans as to whether the stadium is too far out, and how easy it will be to access, which is fair. But the Westhill locals have cited everything short of the Apocalypse for blocking the building of a new 20,000 stadium and training ground when they appear blind to the potential community benefits both would inevitably bring.
Trying to look at if from their point of view, I'm not sure what the right and wrong of this is. If you live in Westhill, you bought there because it's quiet and semi rural. The stadium will take away from the views and that plus the sudden increase in people using the village as a car park every fortnight might make for an unpleasant living experience that you didn't sign up for. House prices could be affected as well.

I think Aberdeen FC have said measures will be taken to ensure supporters can't park there but not sure how enforceable that would be.

In terms of the financial benefits, again I'm not sure how the stadium would really be good for the locals (although to be fair I haven't read the reports that were compiled so not really qualified to comment).

It's a tricky one. Overall, I think the stadium would be good for the club and the city but at the same time I'm not sure about the price.
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NIMBY bollocks of the worst kind, IMO.

Having lived up in Aberdeen for a short while, it is in keeping with a few other proposed capital works projects designed to improve the lot of the local area and which provide jobs, inward investment etc. They never got off the ground either because so many of the inward looking locals, whether councillors or otherwise, are frequently at each others throats.

This is the place where one dude (who subsequently moved to Newcastle) held up the building of the AWPR for a good three years with lone crusade legal challenges. :ffs: The fear for the Sheep is that this Westhill mob will go the same route.

Plenty controversy among Sheep fans as to whether the stadium is too far out, and how easy it will be to access, which is fair. But the Westhill locals have cited everything short of the Apocalypse for blocking the building of a new 20,000 stadium and training ground when they appear blind to the potential community benefits both would inevitably bring.
Trying to look at if from their point of view, I'm not sure what the right and wrong of this is. If you live in Westhill, you bought there because it's quiet and semi rural. The stadium will take away from the views and that plus the sudden increase in people using the village as a car park every fortnight might make for an unpleasant living experience that you didn't sign up for. House prices could be affected as well.

I think Aberdeen FC have said measures will be taken to ensure supporters can't park there but not sure how enforceable that would be.

In terms of the financial benefits, again I'm not sure how the stadium would really be good for the locals (although to be fair I haven't read the reports that were compiled so not really qualified to comment).

It's a tricky one. Overall, I think the stadium would be good for the club and the city but at the same time I'm not sure about the price.
Views? There are zero views in Westhill worth talking about. And there is certainly nothing that a one tier 20,000 stadium with a fairly modest elevation at the bottom of a hill is going to fundamentally change.

Virtually everything on the south side of the main road in the town itself is a miserable industrial estate. The majority of the footprint on the Aberdeen stadium site, way further out of town, is a training ground (grass pitches) and car parking.

They've also got a nice existing view of a massive, generic Tesco and Costco, which they welcomed with open arms. They are also on a larger footprint. The traffic and footfall from these 365 days a year far exceeds what will happen 25 times a year for Aberdeen home games. Looking at the site, there's no way thousands of additional cars are going to park in the nearest housing estate, because its a 30 minute walk along the side of a main road.

Some of their objections also pander to some of the worst stereotypes of football fans that groups like FAC are busy objecting to.

You'd probably be looking at the best football arena in the country outside Glasgow, that could bring any amount of other events to within 10 miles of your front door. Presumably having a professional football club move its entire 24/7 operation to the region is not without a knock on benefit in terms of jobs and wider economic benefits for the local economy. Presumably it would up Aberdeen's youth development game and present better opportunities for local kids to use much improved facilities in a bigger youth system?




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Trying to look at if from their point of view, I'm not sure what the right and wrong of this is. If you live in Westhill, you bought there because it's quiet and semi rural. The stadium will take away from the views and that plus the sudden increase in people using the village as a car park every fortnight might make for an unpleasant living experience that you didn't sign up for. House prices could be affected as well.

I think Aberdeen FC have said measures will be taken to ensure supporters can't park there but not sure how enforceable that would be.

In terms of the financial benefits, again I'm not sure how the stadium would really be good for the locals (although to be fair I haven't read the reports that were compiled so not really qualified to comment).

It's a tricky one. Overall, I think the stadium would be good for the club and the city but at the same time I'm not sure about the price.
Views? There are zero views in Westhill worth talking about. And there is certainly nothing that a one tier 20,000 stadium with a fairly modest elevation at the bottom of a hill is going to fundamentally change.

Virtually everything on the south side of the main road in the town itself is a miserable industrial estate. The majority of the footprint on the Aberdeen stadium site, way further out of town, is a training ground (grass pitches) and car parking.

They've also got a nice existing view of a massive, generic Tesco and Costco, which they welcomed with open arms. They are also on a larger footprint. The traffic and footfall from these 365 days a year far exceeds what will happen 25 times a year for Aberdeen home games. Looking at the site, there's no way thousands of additional cars are going to park in the nearest housing estate, because its a 30 minute walk along the side of a main road.

Some of their objections also pander to some of the worst stereotypes of football fans that groups like FAC are busy objecting to.

You'd probably be looking at the best football arena in the country outside Glasgow, that could bring any amount of other events to within 10 miles of your front door. Presumably having a professional football club move its entire 24/7 operation to the region is not without a knock on benefit in terms of jobs and wider economic benefits for the local economy. Presumably it would up Aberdeen's youth development game and present better opportunities for local kids to use much improved facilities in a bigger youth system?




Fair enough. As I say, don't know the area well enough to have fully formed an opinion.
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On Aberdeen's (proposed) new stadium - the transport links are the biggest issue for me. Westhill is a pain in the arse to get to on a public transport system that's just not fit for purpose outwith the city centre. That should be easy enough to sort out, though.

In other news - it looks like Falkirk's academy is closing down, going by tweets from Tam McManus.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RE The meeting between the Falkirk supporters and potential investors today. A substantial 5 figure sum was made available to the club by investors wishing to keep the Academy going. That group was told that Falkirk won’t provide a pathway which is needed for any Academy 1/2</p>— Tam McManus (@The_Tman10) <a href="https://twitter.com/The_Tman10/status/944246282788405248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To receive central funding to supplement the club investment. Unfortunately it rendered the potential investment in the Academy pointless. It is now thought that Falkirk will now give permission to other Academy’s to take their players if they do wish. So it looks like it’s done.</p>— Tam McManus (@The_Tman10) <a href="https://twitter.com/The_Tman10/status/944247211810009088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Hope the tweets work - never done this before...!
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Owen Coyle working his magic again as Ross County go bottom.
sacking the manager isn't always the answer. (Ask the huns!)
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On Aberdeen's (proposed) new stadium - the transport links are the biggest issue for me. Westhill is a pain in the arse to get to on a public transport system that's just not fit for purpose outwith the city centre. That should be easy enough to sort out, though.

In other news - it looks like Falkirk's academy is closing down, going by tweets from Tam McManus.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RE The meeting between the Falkirk supporters and potential investors today. A substantial 5 figure sum was made available to the club by investors wishing to keep the Academy going. That group was told that Falkirk won’t provide a pathway which is needed for any Academy 1/2</p>— Tam McManus (@The_Tman10) <a href="https://twitter.com/The_Tman10/status/944246282788405248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To receive central funding to supplement the club investment. Unfortunately it rendered the potential investment in the Academy pointless. It is now thought that Falkirk will now give permission to other Academy’s to take their players if they do wish. So it looks like it’s done.</p>— Tam McManus (@The_Tman10) <a href="https://twitter.com/The_Tman10/status/944247211810009088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Hope the tweets work - never done this before...!
Read about this the other day. It’s not a nice decision for a club to make but they clearly feel it’s the best approach. I wonder how much of an impact Project Brave made on their decision. I’d guess young players will be more inclined to choose the clubs with an Elite grading over a club/academy with a Progressive grading.
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On Aberdeen's (proposed) new stadium - the transport links are the biggest issue for me. Westhill is a pain in the arse to get to on a public transport system that's just not fit for purpose outwith the city centre. That should be easy enough to sort out, though.

In other news - it looks like Falkirk's academy is closing down, going by tweets from Tam McManus.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RE The meeting between the Falkirk supporters and potential investors today. A substantial 5 figure sum was made available to the club by investors wishing to keep the Academy going. That group was told that Falkirk won’t provide a pathway which is needed for any Academy 1/2</p>— Tam McManus (@The_Tman10) <a href="https://twitter.com/The_Tman10/status/944246282788405248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To receive central funding to supplement the club investment. Unfortunately it rendered the potential investment in the Academy pointless. It is now thought that Falkirk will now give permission to other Academy’s to take their players if they do wish. So it looks like it’s done.</p>— Tam McManus (@The_Tman10) <a href="https://twitter.com/The_Tman10/status/944247211810009088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Hope the tweets work - never done this before...!
Read about this the other day. It’s not a nice decision for a club to make but they clearly feel it’s the best approach. I wonder how much of an impact Project Brave made on their decision. I’d guess young players will be more inclined to choose the clubs with an Elite grading over a club/academy with a Progressive grading.
Apparently they would rather spend the running costs on directly improving the first team and hoovering up young players discarded from other academies. Strange decision from Falkirk given the relative success of their youth system. Saying that, they have been in the Championship for 8 years and they have ambitions of getting into and staying in the SPFL, so perhaps changing the model will work for them. Just a shame the news comes out before Christmas as they will be laying off staff in the youth set up.
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On Aberdeen's (proposed) new stadium - the transport links are the biggest issue for me. Westhill is a pain in the arse to get to on a public transport system that's just not fit for purpose outwith the city centre. That should be easy enough to sort out, though.

In other news - it looks like Falkirk's academy is closing down, going by tweets from Tam McManus.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RE The meeting between the Falkirk supporters and potential investors today. A substantial 5 figure sum was made available to the club by investors wishing to keep the Academy going. That group was told that Falkirk won’t provide a pathway which is needed for any Academy 1/2</p>— Tam McManus (@The_Tman10) <a href="https://twitter.com/The_Tman10/status/944246282788405248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To receive central funding to supplement the club investment. Unfortunately it rendered the potential investment in the Academy pointless. It is now thought that Falkirk will now give permission to other Academy’s to take their players if they do wish. So it looks like it’s done.</p>— Tam McManus (@The_Tman10) <a href="https://twitter.com/The_Tman10/status/944247211810009088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Hope the tweets work - never done this before...!
Read about this the other day. It’s not a nice decision for a club to make but they clearly feel it’s the best approach. I wonder how much of an impact Project Brave made on their decision. I’d guess young players will be more inclined to choose the clubs with an Elite grading over a club/academy with a Progressive grading.
Apparently they would rather spend the running costs on directly improving the first team and hoovering up young players discarded from other academies. Strange decision from Falkirk given the relative success of their youth system. Saying that, they have been in the Championship for 8 years and they have ambitions of getting into and staying in the SPFL, so perhaps changing the model will work for them. Just a shame the news comes out before Christmas as they will be laying off staff in the youth set up.
I don’t understand why the SFA aren’t doing more to help them. This isn’t a single clubs Academy. It affects East Stirling and Stenhousemuir as well.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RE The meeting between the Falkirk supporters and potential investors today. A substantial 5 figure sum was made available to the club by investors wishing to keep the Academy going. That group was told that Falkirk won’t provide a pathway which is needed for any Academy 1/2</p>— Tam McManus (@The_Tman10) <a href="https://twitter.com/The_Tman10/status/944246282788405248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To receive central funding to supplement the club investment. Unfortunately it rendered the potential investment in the Academy pointless. It is now thought that Falkirk will now give permission to other Academy’s to take their players if they do wish. So it looks like it’s done.</p>— Tam McManus (@The_Tman10) <a href="https://twitter.com/The_Tman10/status/944247211810009088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Apparently they would rather spend the running costs on directly improving the first team and hoovering up young players discarded from other academies. Strange decision from Falkirk given the relative success of their youth system. Saying that, they have been in the Championship for 8 years and they have ambitions of getting into and staying in the SPFL, so perhaps changing the model will work for them. Just a shame the news comes out before Christmas as they will be laying off staff in the youth set up.
I don’t understand why the SFA aren’t doing more to help them. This isn’t a single clubs Academy. It affects East Stirling and Stenhousemuir as well.
East Stirling dropped out of League 2 so I'd imagine they don't fall under the SPFL umbrella anymore. I do feel quite uncomfortable with the idea of a club in our second tier, with premiership aspirations, no longer having an academy though. Should be mandatory for any clubs who want to be in the top flight to play a part in developing young talent, rather than relying on other teams to do so.
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Talk of my Dad's Stranraer facebook group the day. Asking the players to take a paycut due to finances. Always wondered how they managed to sruvive on attendances of less than 300 on average.
Used to be a very well run club, always in the black. Financially nearly went tits up a couple of seasons ago. Scottish cup tie against Celtic helped, among other things.
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Talk of my Dad's Stranraer facebook group the day. Asking the players to take a paycut due to finances. Always wondered how they managed to sruvive on attendances of less than 300 on average.
My brother's a massive Stranraer fan. Secretary of the Tommy Sloan supporters club (membership of 1), stopped going when he moved away from Glasgow.

Stranraer were a very well run club, who knew where they existed in the community and acted accordingly. Bent over backwards for supporters in the 90s. Very sad if they're on the way out, however I wondered how long they could sustain the low attendances.
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