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Generic SPFL Thread; all the other stuff
Topic Started: 5 Apr 2014, 05:29 PM (152,755 Views)
Mubo Loravcik
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Full time and it's 5-0 to the sheep. The heaviest European scoreline in favour of a Scottish club since Motherwell thrashed Albanian giants Flamurtari 8-1 :lol:

It's just a shame Aberdeen will be up against Groningen in the next qualifying round.
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They also had a guy sent to the stand from the technical area - for giving the 4th official the vicky. :lmao:
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Mubo Loravcik
3 Jul 2014, 09:41 PM
Full time and it's 5-0 to the sheep. The heaviest European scoreline in favour of a Scottish club since Motherwell thrashed Albanian giants Flamurtari 8-1 :lol:

It's just a shame Aberdeen will be up against Groningen in the next qualifying round.
They beat us a couple of times last season and we're better than Groningen. It's there to be won.
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Wailer
3 Jul 2014, 09:42 PM
They also had a guy sent to the stand from the technical area - for giving the 4th official the vicky. :lmao:
:lol: :lol:
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Good on the sheep. We need them to go as far as they possibly can in this tournament.
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Good result for the Sheep, given that any Scottish team getting a result in Europe is a bonus. Good crowd too.
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fatboab
3 Jul 2014, 09:46 PM
Good result for the Sheep, given that any Scottish team getting a result in Europe is a bonus. Good crowd too.
You counting us as Irish or do you just have share McSwain's level of confidence in the new set-up? :ph43r:
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Good result for them.

Hope they dont take it easy next week, we need the coefficient points for the win. :lol:
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Good on the sheep - hope they make the groups. I always support Scottish teams (but never quintessentially British ones) in Europe.
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15,000 punters for a game on 3 July is good going for Aberdeen.

Pity that they've got a much harder tie than they might have had in the next round. They could have got off much more lightly than drawing Groningen, who they might still give a game over two legs.

I reckon they'll come unstuck though, which would be typically be blow to the prospect of co-efficient points, because they look like the strongest of the rest again.
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Marado
4 Jul 2014, 08:51 AM
Good on the sheep - hope they make the groups. I always support Scottish teams (but never quintessentially British ones) in Europe.
To make the group stages of the CL and EL the four Scottish teams in European competition need to play in 24 qualifying games - 12 ties (4 for Aberdeen, 3 for Motherwell, St Johnstone and Celtic.)

Not that there is any chance of all four teams getting to the final round and even less of all four being involved in the group stages but it does highlight how utterly stacked against them the odds are, especially as they will all be unseeded from the next round onwards, us aside (and Motherwell in the next round only).
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Forza
4 Jul 2014, 11:26 AM
Marado
4 Jul 2014, 08:51 AM
Good on the sheep - hope they make the groups. I always support Scottish teams (but never quintessentially British ones) in Europe.
To make the group stages of the CL and EL the four Scottish teams in European competition need to play in 24 qualifying games - 12 ties (4 for Aberdeen, 3 for Motherwell, St Johnstone and Celtic.)

Not that there is any chance of all four teams getting to the final round and even less of all four being involved in the group stages but it does highlight how utterly stacked against them the odds are, especially as they will all be unseeded from the next round onwards, us aside (and Motherwell in the next round only).
Is it still the case that the third round gets drawn before the second round is finished, i.e. unseeded teams can "steal" a seeding if they knock the seeded side out in the second round? Like St Johnstone when they beat Rosenborg last year?
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Forza
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duffsticks
4 Jul 2014, 11:32 AM
Forza
4 Jul 2014, 11:26 AM
Marado
4 Jul 2014, 08:51 AM
Good on the sheep - hope they make the groups. I always support Scottish teams (but never quintessentially British ones) in Europe.
To make the group stages of the CL and EL the four Scottish teams in European competition need to play in 24 qualifying games - 12 ties (4 for Aberdeen, 3 for Motherwell, St Johnstone and Celtic.)

Not that there is any chance of all four teams getting to the final round and even less of all four being involved in the group stages but it does highlight how utterly stacked against them the odds are, especially as they will all be unseeded from the next round onwards, us aside (and Motherwell in the next round only).
Is it still the case that the third round gets drawn before the second round is finished, i.e. unseeded teams can "steal" a seeding if they knock the seeded side out in the second round? Like St Johnstone when they beat Rosenborg last year?
Yes I believe so but only for 1st and second round, so but won't affect Scottish teams this year, as they already know who they are facing. Groningen and Luzern are seeds (two of the better ranked seeds at that) and they'll play Aberdeen and St Johnstone respectively.

Motherwell are seeds, and will likely play an Icelandic team after they humped Bangor last night.
Edited by Forza, 4 Jul 2014, 11:36 AM.
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Having taken the initiative and answered my own question...

UEFA schedules

The third qualifying round draw is on the 18th July, the day after the first legs of the second qualifying round.

Edit: Right, I think I've worked this out, although again - my understanding may be completely off here.

Tromso and Rosenborg have comfortable leads in their first qualifying round ties (Tromso beat Santos Tartu of Estonia 7-0 with the home leg in Norway to come, and Rosenborg beat Jelgava of Latvia 4-0 in Norway last night). Both sides will, therefore, surely be involved in the second round of qualifying.

As the third qualifying round is drawn before the winners of the second qualifying round is known, there will be a bunch of "seeded ties". Because Rosenborg and Tromso will be in the second round, their coefficients are high enough to secure seeding for the third round, meaning Groningen get bumped from 29th to 31st in the list, and therefore do not get a seeding.

Luzern, however, remain one of the top 29 sides in the draw and therefore the Luzern v St Johnstone tie will be seeded in the third round qualifying.

Should St Johnstone beat Luzern, they would then effectively take Luzern's seeding in the 3rd round qualifying. They would then lose that seeding for the play-off, should they make it that far.

Edited by duffsticks, 4 Jul 2014, 12:06 PM.
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Good result for Aberdeen. Really hope Scottish sides do well in Europe this season to raise the coefficient.
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duffsticks
4 Jul 2014, 11:46 AM
Having taken the initiative and answered my own question...

UEFA schedules

The third qualifying round draw is on the 18th July, the day after the first legs of the second qualifying round.

So according to my mental arithmetic, Groningen will be the 29th and final seeded side in the 3rd round qualifying when it's done on the 18th, meaning Aberdeen would steal their seeding for the third round if they beat them.

They would then play one of their fellow second-round qualifying winners, I think.

Unless my understanding is totally wrong.

Which is very possible.

Edit: it is. Rosenborg and Tromso (both in the 1st qualifying round) have higher coefficients than Groningen, so Groningen would be unseeded for the 3rd round qualifying if either made it through.
:thumbsup:

I think it will be immaterial anyway as I really cannot see them beating Groningen. Would be good if they could, and stranger things have happened.

All the best to them, looks like their third round tie would be easier (at least on paper) if they do prevail.
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They have a chance against Groningen I feel. Apply what they did to beating us.
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drks
4 Jul 2014, 12:15 PM
They have a chance against Groningen I feel. Apply what they did to beating us.
Possibly. Groningen were 7th in the League last season, but won the 4 team play off for teams finishing 5-8 for the last Europa League place.

They'll likely be no great shakes. I just think confidence in any other Scottish football team's ability to do anything in Europe is at an all time low, especially against teams that are of a certain level.
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Noticed on Live Score last night that Hibernians were playing (and getting beat). I assume this isnt Hibs. From memory there is some lithuanian team isnt there?

Colt - sounds like a name a hun would call their kid.
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daleybhoy
4 Jul 2014, 12:27 PM
Noticed on Live Score last night that Hibernians were playing (and getting beat). I assume this isnt Hibs. From memory there is some lithuanian team isnt there?

Colt - sounds like a name a hun would call their kid.
Hibernians FC are a Maltese club. :thumbsup:
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