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Generic SPFL Thread; all the other stuff
Topic Started: 5 Apr 2014, 05:29 PM (152,773 Views)
samscafeamericain
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Dannybhoy95
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25 May 2014, 10:25 PM
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25 May 2014, 10:07 PM

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No disrespect Danny but have you ever seen a LoI game? :lol:
Aye. It's not quite at that level yet, obviously. But in the last 5-6 years the standard of football has declined a fair bit and it's only going in one direction. Take ourselves out of the SPFL and I think it'd be pretty safe bet that most English League 1 clubs would beat the vast majority of what the SPFL has to offer.
The standard of football in Scotland has improved over the past three years. Teams are technically better and prepared to play the ball on the ground.
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Watched the highlights last night on BBC2 ( complete with dodgy sound :lol: ) and HA fully deserved their win. Hibs were dreadful last season and Leigh's goals papered over the cracks. Next season will see a record amount of football related arrests in the Championship as Hearts/ Hibs / Sevco fans enjoy their journey. :boxer:

Finally, anyone heard from the Rev. P. Nevin? I am worried for him ;)
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26 May 2014, 07:23 AM
Watched the highlights last night on BBC2 ( complete with dodgy sound :lol: ) and HA fully deserved their win. Hibs were dreadful last season and Leigh's goals papered over the cracks. Next season will see a record amount of football related arrests in the Championship as Hearts/ Hibs / Sevco fans enjoy their journey. :boxer:

Finally, anyone heard from the Rev. P. Nevin? I am worried for him ;)
He's in Moscow at the moment, laying down the law to Putin over Ukraine. He's also in Sao Paulo, negotiating between street gangs and the government and FIFA, to secure a fairer trickle down of World Cup money. He's is in both these cities simultaneously. He is blessed.
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samscafeamericain
26 May 2014, 06:54 AM
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25 May 2014, 08:21 PM
I remember the last time we played Hamilton in the SPL at Celtic Park. I was in the LL stand close to the away support. I counted them - 83.
Yep.
I wonder if all those laughing at Hibs, and our league, going down the drain, pay any attention to this.
No disrespect to Hamilton and their on-field efforts, but today was not good for us.
Are you suggesting gerrymandering of the leagues?

New rules, teams with more than 15,000 fans cannot be relegated?
We used to have that under the guise of stadium regulations...
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26 May 2014, 07:53 AM
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26 May 2014, 06:54 AM
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25 May 2014, 08:58 PM

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Are you suggesting gerrymandering of the leagues?

New rules, teams with more than 15,000 fans cannot be relegated?
We used to have that under the guise of stadium regulations...
The 10,000 requirement at the millenium was utter bollocks.

Clubs like Airdrie have 10k seater with barely 1k regular visitors.
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samscafeamericain
26 May 2014, 06:54 AM
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25 May 2014, 08:58 PM
TheHumanTorpedo
25 May 2014, 08:21 PM
I remember the last time we played Hamilton in the SPL at Celtic Park. I was in the LL stand close to the away support. I counted them - 83.
Yep.
I wonder if all those laughing at Hibs, and our league, going down the drain, pay any attention to this.
No disrespect to Hamilton and their on-field efforts, but today was not good for us.
Are you suggesting gerrymandering of the leagues?

New rules, teams with more than 15,000 fans cannot be relegated?
No.
I was merely sighing that I thought Hibs relegation was something that was not necessarily good for our game overall. Sometimes the schadenfreude on here is risibly narrow-minded.
Pablo's post about the way forward is commendable and I should like to think that would work.
My Hamilton ticket better not be in that marquee thing :nono:
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26 May 2014, 01:59 AM
I wanted Hibs to go down.

Hibs play terrible football. Both Fenlon and Butcher have used the most destructive, ugly style imaginable. For Hamilton to go to Easter Road and pass the ball while Hibs' only idea was lumping it into the channels was a disgrace.

When Malmo pumped Hibs, their only answer was to to sign the likes of Michael Nelson because they thought they needed to be more physical. When Fenlon failed, their only answer was to appoint Butcher and become even more brutal.

For too long have teams in Scotland been coached to distrust possession and to win by endeavor alone. This Hibs team shows what happens when you coach all the football out of a team, and adopt a signing-policy that rejects the idea that every team needs creativity. Teams like Hibs deserve to be relegated and the division is better without them.

Hamilton take a progressive approach. They have an artificial surface because they want to be able to pass the ball on the deck. They develop youth try to entertain. So do Partick Thistle and St Mirren. We need these teams to succeed in Scotland to prove that it can be done.

Hibs will be back, and hopefully they'll have learned that sabotaging your team's ability to play football in pursuit of a more rugged style is as counter-productive as it is boring to watch.
Bang on the money.

The dictionary does not have enough words to describe how poor Hibs were yesterday, and have been since Butcher took over.

Hamilton not only beat them, but embarrassed them on their own park.

In dreadful conditions the Accies sought to keep the ball and had the courage to keep passing in a vital pressure game

Hibs on the other hand stank the place out.

I'll miss Hibs.

They have been easy money to back against in any number of games, particularly against Hearts, where the odds were generous to say the least.
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Great post from The Pin. :thumbsup:
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Does Hibs' relegation mean the league or Celtic is substantially worse off?

From what I can tell, a team with a great youth set up and a sense of attacking verve (well, for Scotland) just replaced a mismanaged bunch of wasters who needed a good kick up the arse.

Even if a lack of Hibs does financially hurt clubs then maybe they shouldn't be relying on Hibernian to survive ffs.

:-/ what The Pin said
Edited by Smiley, 26 May 2014, 09:06 AM.
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vlad
26 May 2014, 08:52 AM
The Pin
26 May 2014, 01:59 AM
I wanted Hibs to go down.

Hibs play terrible football. Both Fenlon and Butcher have used the most destructive, ugly style imaginable. For Hamilton to go to Easter Road and pass the ball while Hibs' only idea was lumping it into the channels was a disgrace.

When Malmo pumped Hibs, their only answer was to to sign the likes of Michael Nelson because they thought they needed to be more physical. When Fenlon failed, their only answer was to appoint Butcher and become even more brutal.

For too long have teams in Scotland been coached to distrust possession and to win by endeavor alone. This Hibs team shows what happens when you coach all the football out of a team, and adopt a signing-policy that rejects the idea that every team needs creativity. Teams like Hibs deserve to be relegated and the division is better without them.

Hamilton take a progressive approach. They have an artificial surface because they want to be able to pass the ball on the deck. They develop youth try to entertain. So do Partick Thistle and St Mirren. We need these teams to succeed in Scotland to prove that it can be done.

Hibs will be back, and hopefully they'll have learned that sabotaging your team's ability to play football in pursuit of a more rugged style is as counter-productive as it is boring to watch.
Bang on the money.

The dictionary does not have enough words to describe how poor Hibs were yesterday, and have been since Butcher took over.

Hamilton not only beat them, but embarrassed them on their own park.

In dreadful conditions the Accies sought to keep the ball and had the courage to keep passing in a vital pressure game

Hibs on the other hand stank the place out.

I'll miss Hibs.

They have been easy money to back against in any number of games, particularly against Hearts, where the odds were generous to say the least.
Sevco v Hibs next season should be oh so pleasing on the eye for lovers of the beautiful game...
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vlad
26 May 2014, 08:52 AM
The Pin
26 May 2014, 01:59 AM
I wanted Hibs to go down.

Hibs play terrible football. Both Fenlon and Butcher have used the most destructive, ugly style imaginable. For Hamilton to go to Easter Road and pass the ball while Hibs' only idea was lumping it into the channels was a disgrace.

When Malmo pumped Hibs, their only answer was to to sign the likes of Michael Nelson because they thought they needed to be more physical. When Fenlon failed, their only answer was to appoint Butcher and become even more brutal.

For too long have teams in Scotland been coached to distrust possession and to win by endeavor alone. This Hibs team shows what happens when you coach all the football out of a team, and adopt a signing-policy that rejects the idea that every team needs creativity. Teams like Hibs deserve to be relegated and the division is better without them.

Hamilton take a progressive approach. They have an artificial surface because they want to be able to pass the ball on the deck. They develop youth try to entertain. So do Partick Thistle and St Mirren. We need these teams to succeed in Scotland to prove that it can be done.

Hibs will be back, and hopefully they'll have learned that sabotaging your team's ability to play football in pursuit of a more rugged style is as counter-productive as it is boring to watch.
Bang on the money.

The dictionary does not have enough words to describe how poor Hibs were yesterday, and have been since Butcher took over.

Hamilton not only beat them, but embarrassed them on their own park.

In dreadful conditions the Accies sought to keep the ball and had the courage to keep passing in a vital pressure game

Hibs on the other hand stank the place out.

I'll miss Hibs.

They have been easy money to back against in any number of games, particularly against Hearts, where the odds were generous to say the least.
Agree with all of that

Can't believe that in Hearts' most traumatic season, Hibs would have had an even worse year. As other have said on here, how on earth did they eft that up ?

From last July when they had the worst ever performance by a Scottish team at home in Europe, to the relegation party cards at Tynecastle

https://twitter.com/HibsMeltdown/status/470622230934994945/photo/1

Getting duffed at home to Hearts in the League Cup and Raith Rovers in the Scottish Cup. Losing at home to Kilmarnock - a team whose own fans sing that their manager is out of his depth - when a win would have kept them up. And finally to blow a 2nil lead at home to a lower division side really is the ultimate embarrassment.

Michael Stewart called it spot on last night when he lambasted Butcher's style of play and the fact that he clearly made it known that he didn't rate the players while expecting them to go out and play for him at the same time. Butcher deserves the sack for this.

But fair play to Hamilton. They were a far far better footballing side. Even near the end when they needed a goal and the conditions were awful, they never resorted to just booting it up the park. They kept it on the deck and got their reward. Hibs deserved all they got and if thats the way Butcher wants to play the game, they won't be missed.

Edited by Corky Buczek, 26 May 2014, 09:41 AM.
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Kris
26 May 2014, 08:49 AM
samscafeamericain
26 May 2014, 06:54 AM
Kris
25 May 2014, 08:58 PM

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Are you suggesting gerrymandering of the leagues?

New rules, teams with more than 15,000 fans cannot be relegated?
No.
I was merely sighing that I thought Hibs relegation was something that was not necessarily good for our game overall. Sometimes the schadenfreude on here is risibly narrow-minded.
Pablo's post about the way forward is commendable and I should like to think that would work.
My Hamilton ticket better not be in that marquee thing :nono:
:rolleyes:
The sevconian bawbag who hangs his Union Jack on his roof when we go to New Douglas Park will have to clamber on to his roof again - Hopefully will fall off it with a bit of luck. ;)
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I also really think Hibs will struggle next year.

For Petrie and Butcher just to have dismissed the fans calls for their resignation suggests that they are learning nothing.

Call on the Hibs fans websites seems to be for boycotts, which whilst I understand, will hardly help the team get back up to the SPFL. Herats will go into next season with enthusiasm having come out administration (although I'm not convinced of Levein as DoF) and whilst Sevco could yet go into administration (fingers crossed) I wouldn't put it past the likes of Falkirk and Raith to do better than Hibs next season.

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No hibs hearts or huns next season, well that saves us some visits to bigotry infested grounds in both glasgow and edinburgh but in the eyes of the outsider will further diminish the top division. Two out of three of those clubs have been also rans for years but at least carried the weight of their history behind them. We're in for a crummy year in the top division and the spfl board should be coming up with some ideas on how to sell this.
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No problem with the outcome - 2 top tier teams with lowest points tally replaced by 2 lower division teams with highest points.

Hamilton were by far the better side - Hibs looked like a pub team.

Would prefer the bigger supported teams in the top league but having said that Hibs and Hearts have not carried a decent support to CP for years.

With regard to the championship it should be a tight affair with Hibs , Hearts and Sevco all being pish.

Exciting - like the donkeys running on Blackpool beach.

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Has anyone heard from Griffiths, he must be gutted
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26 May 2014, 10:24 AM
Has anyone heard from Griffiths, he must be gutted
I dunno mate he'll still have the Edinburgh derby and opportunities for a wee sing song with both teams being in the same division next season.
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26 May 2014, 01:59 AM
I wanted Hibs to go down.

Hibs play terrible football. Both Fenlon and Butcher have used the most destructive, ugly style imaginable. For Hamilton to go to Easter Road and pass the ball while Hibs' only idea was lumping it into the channels was a disgrace.

When Malmo pumped Hibs, their only answer was to to sign the likes of Michael Nelson because they thought they needed to be more physical. When Fenlon failed, their only answer was to appoint Butcher and become even more brutal.

For too long have teams in Scotland been coached to distrust possession and to win by endeavor alone. This Hibs team shows what happens when you coach all the football out of a team, and adopt a signing-policy that rejects the idea that every team needs creativity. Teams like Hibs deserve to be relegated and the division is better without them.

Hamilton take a progressive approach. They have an artificial surface because they want to be able to pass the ball on the deck. They develop youth try to entertain. So do Partick Thistle and St Mirren. We need these teams to succeed in Scotland to prove that it can be done.

Hibs will be back, and hopefully they'll have learned that sabotaging your team's ability to play football in pursuit of a more rugged style is as counter-productive as it is boring to watch.
This is bang on.

Hibs have had this coming for years.
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Those players loathed butcher, this was always on the cards.

I can't believe he has the brassneck not to be clearing out his desk the day. I can see hibs spending a couple of seasons in the championship.
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Frankly I expect this to do much more for Hibs in the long run than survival would have.

They've got a new chief exec coming in, one with a track record of success and by all accounts a woman very prepared to drive change through the organisation. And boy do Hibs need someone like that.

They've got a big summer coming up. I fully expect Butcher to go, as part of the squad clear-out they desperately need. If Dempster is allowed to do her work unhindered, they've got a good chance of coming out the end of it as a team fit enough to challenge Hearts and Rangers for the Championship title.
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