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| Topic Started: 5 Apr 2014, 05:29 PM (152,784 Views) | |
| tinsoldier | 12 May 2014, 03:15 PM Post #461 |
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Older than dirt
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Where you hear this mhate? |
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| TheEvilGenius | 12 May 2014, 03:27 PM Post #462 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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Bill Leckie will be pleased that Lennon has gone no doubt.
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| jake1958 | 12 May 2014, 03:27 PM Post #463 |
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Occasional Substitute
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Just regarding the Danny Lennon sacking, I think this is a disgraceful decision. Interesting yo note during the relegation 'dogfight' and even prior to that, there were a number of teams in similar position to St Mirren but no media talk about their managers being under pressure or losing their jobs also compare the media campaign to get rid of Pat Fenlon at Hibs when they were in the top 6 compared to the almost total lack of criticism of Terry Butcher. I might be paranoid but could the intense media criticism be something to do with the fact that Danny and Pat both sound a bit taigy? |
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| Dubz | 12 May 2014, 03:34 PM Post #464 |
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Getting on a bit
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Cheers. |
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| Wee Ed KTF | 12 May 2014, 03:57 PM Post #465 |
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Considering retirement
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I am puzzled as to what the expectation levels are by Gilmour and his St Mirren cronies? Scottish Cup triumph? Top six in the SPFL? Winners of the SPFL? Champions League last 16? Fuds |
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| randombloke | 12 May 2014, 04:12 PM Post #466 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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I think the expectation (or hope) is simply that they don't want to be in a relegation battle every season and they believe that Lennon should be achieving more with the squad he has available. Probably a similar situation with Locke at Hertz - it looks to us outsiders like he's done a decent job in difficult circumstances, but the guys who deal with him on a daily basis and see how he goes about the job might be saying "eff me, this guy is taking us nowhere, let's get rid of him before he becomes a problem"......arguably that's also what Hibs should have been saying about Fenlon a year before they did ditch him Basically if you've been dodging relegation for 2 or 3 seasons then you need to change something before the inevitable happens. Most clubs that are down there don't have the cash to significantly improve the squad, so instead they ditch their manager in the hope that the next guy might have some fresh ideas on how to drag them back up the league. |
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| ChillerBee | 12 May 2014, 04:23 PM Post #467 |
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Time for the medicine
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| mikebhoy | 12 May 2014, 04:28 PM Post #468 |
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Too old for hamlet, too young for Lear
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That’s maybe fair enough, but did St Mirren not climb clear of relegation a fair while back? I remember they had a pretty dodgy run earlier in the season and I remember actually thinking that it was admirable that the St Mirren board were sticking by him. They certainly haven’t been as close to the wire at Kilmarnock or Partick Thistle, though maybe I’m giving them more credit than they deserve. I suppose the likes of Ross County and (until Yogi rocked up) ICT are the sort of benchmark that clubs like St Mirren are aspiring to – comfortable mid-table/top 6 finishes. It could also be that he’s pissed off some or all of the board I suppose. |
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| randombloke | 12 May 2014, 05:47 PM Post #469 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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I think there's also an element of any manager having a shelf life at a club and there comes a point where the powers that be just don't believe he has anything else to offer. Looking at his league record over the four years he's been at St Mirren... 2010/11 - 11th place 2011/12 - 8th place 2012-13 - 11th place 2013-14 - 8th place (only 4 points clear of the play-off place and it took an unexpected run of 3 wins and 2 draws in the last 6 games to achieve that! ) So only 1 "safe" season in 4 and the constant threat of relegation the rest of the time and only abject perfomances from other teams and points deductions for administration keeping them up....good guy or not, you can see why his chairman wants somebody new in as manager before their luck runs out, especially now that the play off means they need two other clubs to have a dire season every year to keep them safe. At a guess I'd also say Lennon has had more money to spend on players than the likes of ICT, Ross County and St Johnstone so there's an argument for saying it's only the League Cup win actually kept him in a job this long. |
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| jim62 | 12 May 2014, 05:51 PM Post #470 |
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up on the roof!!
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My brother in law ( and the niece and nephew) are season ticket holders They will be rejoicing at this news... Lennon had a squad more than capable of being top 6 ...arguably far better than ICT/St Johnstone /Motherwell.... he is utterly negative |
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| 33-rpm | 12 May 2014, 05:57 PM Post #471 |
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Still we sing with our heroes, thirty-three-rounds-per-minute
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I see Mulgrew, Brown and Griffiths are in the Scotland squad for an utterly pointless friendly against Nigeria at the end of the month. Shouldn't we be pulling these guys out considering the limited time they have off before they're back playing real football and in important Champions League qualifiers? |
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| arklys | 12 May 2014, 06:32 PM Post #472 |
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i'm not even listening
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Will Efe be in the Nigeria squad as well? I suppose it's a more important game for them. |
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| J_C_X | 12 May 2014, 06:32 PM Post #473 |
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Considering retirement
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I think Neil Doncaster's SPFL willingness to take the first offer doesn't help either. More people were watching the SPFL than Aviva Premier League Rugby, yet they managed to get a tv deal is worth 2.5x than that of ours. I don't think for one second that Sky thought the APL rights were worth £152m, but credit to the APL they used the threat of competition to their advantage. Let's not forget that Sky thought the SPL rights were worth £120m when there was competition. |
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| Big Drew | 12 May 2014, 06:41 PM Post #474 |
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Rio Fergus McCann CSC
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do you think this how it works or are you just belly-aching?
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| 33-rpm | 12 May 2014, 06:47 PM Post #475 |
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Still we sing with our heroes, thirty-three-rounds-per-minute
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I think it's how it should work, yes. Our Champions League qualifiers in early July are much more important than some friendly in London. Lennon's often talking about resting players towards the end of the season because they don't get that long of a summer break, so why should we send two of our most important players (and Leigh Griffiths) off to some completely meaningless friendly after our season has ended? Edited by 33-rpm, 12 May 2014, 06:48 PM.
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| rpceltic | 12 May 2014, 06:51 PM Post #476 |
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First name on the team-sheet
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The Scottish media will have their morale raised by Hibs going down, no doubt about it. Even although Celtic fans all know there is no love lost with us and Hibs, the main stream media in their twisted and warped existence, see Hibs going down as a victory against the green. |
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| Big Drew | 12 May 2014, 06:56 PM Post #477 |
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Rio Fergus McCann CSC
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But how does it work, not how you'd like it to work. A player makes the decision, not his club. if he wants to play he'll play and its feck all to do with you or Celtic. Lennon may decide to rest players for Celtic games but again he has no say in internationals. that's how it works.
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| remy mcswain | 12 May 2014, 06:57 PM Post #478 |
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Big in Canada
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He could quite easily ask Strachan. |
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| 26. Javier sanchez Broto | 12 May 2014, 06:59 PM Post #479 |
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Winning a cup is a great achievement but it can be used to mask horrific results, horrible football and a horrific manager. Imagine we'd done our usual in the cup last year against Hibs in the final, Fenlon would have been considered a great appointment. Don't see enough of St Mirren to judge, but I do like Danny Lennon. |
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| Big Drew | 12 May 2014, 07:04 PM Post #480 |
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Rio Fergus McCann CSC
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33-rpm doesn't know strachan, does he? Broonie has said he loves playing for Scotland, with our season over what right would Lennon have in asking for him to be dropped? Euro qualifiers start pretty soon after the Worlld Cup and Strachan will be looking to get his team selections sorted. i do get that a lot of folks on here don't care for international matches, but many of the players do. |
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do you think this how it works or are you just belly-aching?


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