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Paul Elliot; Steps down from his role at the FA. Called someone a thingmy
Topic Started: 23 Feb 2013, 03:41 PM (5,385 Views)
CoyleBhoy
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Good guy slipped up? Surely :ponder:

The semantics are worthy of a thread (probs in general) but Paul Elliot a racist :lol: do us a favour :rubeyes:
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Rather than twitter, I thought it was a text message that Rufus decided to release. If so it was therefore a private conversation. Elliot was obviously seriously pissed off with Rufus. Had he called him a carrot what would have happened? Elliot has been an idiot, assuming that Rufus had acted like a carrot then you would have to assume he would continue to do so. Looks like he did. Elliot is a fool, given his position.

The racist FA prefer resignations like this as there can be no comeback on them when in fact they are just avoiding doing any real management of the situation. Their approach is just get it off the table.

So it will continue. No progress is made and latent racialism will continue to rise.
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de racine
24 Feb 2013, 02:19 AM
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24 Feb 2013, 02:13 AM
Used the n word. Not sure how it compares with me calling a fellow tim a fenian.

It seems he also fabricated a fair bit of events and abuse while he was up here...
Yes, I saw that. When Paul Elliott was recounting his career and experiences of racism he was muddled about dates and incidents that happened to him.

When I read that I just wondered if maybe it was the interviewer who recounted it incorrectly when he wrote the piece. Or maybe Elliott forgot. I loved him as a player and he talks well about the game but maybe his memory isn't so good or he's just a bit daft. I'm not sure there was anything sinister in what he said or he was being deliberately misleading.
Was it not in his own books?
Im disappointed, he's the first guy I remember as sbig/good signing as a kid.
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24 Feb 2013, 02:44 AM
de racine
24 Feb 2013, 02:19 AM
dennistounkev
24 Feb 2013, 02:13 AM
Used the n word. Not sure how it compares with me calling a fellow tim a fenian.

It seems he also fabricated a fair bit of events and abuse while he was up here...
Yes, I saw that. When Paul Elliott was recounting his career and experiences of racism he was muddled about dates and incidents that happened to him.

When I read that I just wondered if maybe it was the interviewer who recounted it incorrectly when he wrote the piece. Or maybe Elliott forgot. I loved him as a player and he talks well about the game but maybe his memory isn't so good or he's just a bit daft. I'm not sure there was anything sinister in what he said or he was being deliberately misleading.
Was it not in his own books?
Im disappointed, he's the first guy I remember as sbig/good signing as a kid.
It could be but I've not read the book, only what I saw copy / pasted over on Rangers Media when I was checking out the reaction to their singing and ESPN's announcement. The book would have been ghost written anyway I would have thought but I don't know. I had seen what you were talking about today though and it did seem muddled.
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de racine
24 Feb 2013, 02:46 AM
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24 Feb 2013, 02:44 AM
de racine
24 Feb 2013, 02:19 AM

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Was it not in his own books?
Im disappointed, he's the first guy I remember as sbig/good signing as a kid.
It could be but I've not read the book, only what I saw copy / pasted over on Rangers Media when I was checking out the reaction to their singing and ESPN's announcement. The book would have been ghost written anyway I would have thought but I don't know. I had seen what you were talking about today though and it did seem muddled.
As much as Im all for proving how its not 50/50 up here theres plenty evidence without him needing to bend the truth!
Something I'll need to look into properly.
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24 Feb 2013, 01:38 AM
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24 Feb 2013, 01:35 AM
Niubi
24 Feb 2013, 01:31 AM


I would put a good amount of money on the fact that most black males of all professions, status', classes and backgrounds
will regularly use that word in common language to each other.



Sorry mate, but that part of your post is complete effing nonsense.

Maybe in the States - I honestly wouldn't know but none of my British black friends use "nigger" in any context, at least with any regularity.

Comparing Django with conversational usage is also redundant.
Bollocks, I've grown up in Essex, I live in London, spent years knocking around with black people in all kinds of situations
from the music scene, to everyday working environments, friends etc.. Heard it and still hear it frequently.

It's banter to them when used in a certain way.

You are talking shampooe
And I lived in Hackney before moving to Spain. Finsbury Park before that.

The only reason we have such different perceptions is that maybe we're of very different ages - I'm knocking on 50 and I repeat that the word "nigger" isn't a common word used in conversation between any of my black mates that I can think of, despite its prevalence in black American culture which you'd obviously expect to filter through to some extent.

You said that you'd put money on the fact that most black males, regardless of profession, status, class or background regularly use it when speaking to each other; no mention of age. If you want to add age to that list, I repeat, that part of your post was complete effing nonsense.
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At least he didn't spit on him.
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I'm not black so don't know the answer to this. While I've heard of black Americans calling each other the N word and it doesn't seem to be offensive do black British folk do this and treat it similarly? If not, then Elliot going is right.
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de racine
24 Feb 2013, 01:03 AM
Firstly, the N word and fenian are not the same thing. Secondly, you really can't have an anti-racism campaigner and the FA's trustee of their biggest campaign to kick racism out of the game, a game which incidentally has been blighted for two years by racism, going around using what is generally considered to be the worst racial epithet. It's pretty clear cut that what he did undermined his work and his position.

What he and his ex-business partner choose to call each other is to some degree between them but not when you throw his position as an FA trustee into the mix.

He was stupid to do it and he paid the price.
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This is what happens when you expect footballers to have even a modicum of intelligence. Obviously the man isn't racist, but saying the word nigger in any context certainly undermines his work in attempting to kick the word out of football and Britain in general.
The ol' "Oh, I'm black, I'm allowed say it" excuse doesn't and shouldn't work for someone working in anti-racism, as that sentiment is racist in itself.

As wee red says, live by the PC sword, die by the PC sword. The position is political. You need to be politically sound for it. Turns out Paul isn't.
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24 Feb 2013, 12:55 AM
How odd. A black man calling another black man the N word. If a fellow tim called me a fenian bastard I'm not sure if it would bother me.
You've no doubt heard the story about the old Celtic Player Jean McFarlane (A protestant) complaining to Jimmy McGrory about huns calling him a fenian bastard during a game. "Don't bother about it " said McGrory. "They call me that too".

"That's different" said McFarlane. "You are one!"

:lol:

(I think it came out wrong!)

Edited by IainG, 24 Feb 2013, 01:14 PM.
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Don't know what's worse. Something like this happening to a childhood hero of mine or a bunch of so called adults typing "The N word" On here. How the eff can you expect to discuss things like racism when you can't bring yourself to say or type certain words for fear of offending the greater community?

Now I don't know if Paul used nigga or nigger but either way it looks like he was using it in a derogatory way and thus he had to leave his job. His position was untenable. Just look at the confusion it causes some on here and I'd say this place tries to be nice about most things. You just know that racists would have tried to use Elliot's use of the word as an excuse that it is an acceptable term.
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costa bhoy
24 Feb 2013, 08:14 AM
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24 Feb 2013, 01:38 AM
costa bhoy
24 Feb 2013, 01:35 AM

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Bollocks, I've grown up in Essex, I live in London, spent years knocking around with black people in all kinds of situations
from the music scene, to everyday working environments, friends etc.. Heard it and still hear it frequently.

It's banter to them when used in a certain way.

You are talking shampooe
And I lived in Hackney before moving to Spain. Finsbury Park before that.

The only reason we have such different perceptions is that maybe we're of very different ages - I'm knocking on 50 and I repeat that the word "nigger" isn't a common word used in conversation between any of my black mates that I can think of, despite its prevalence in black American culture which you'd obviously expect to filter through to some extent.

You said that you'd put money on the fact that most black males, regardless of profession, status, class or background regularly use it when speaking to each other; no mention of age. If you want to add age to that list, I repeat, that part of your post was complete effing nonsense.
Hackney is where I have spent most of my time also.

Age probably does come in to this, but also we need to realise the difference
between the word "Nigger" and the word "Nigga", and even then the spelling
is occasionally inconsequential.

The fact we are discussing a well known black man who has worked in a high profile position
fightiing racism, yet uses the word quite flippantly proves my point does it not..?

And this is without going in to how black culture has changed over the last 30/40 years, and
the reasons why "N-er" and "N-a" are very different.
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23 Feb 2013, 03:49 PM
If there is any upshot of this sorry affair I hope it leads to Paul having an opportunity to do some television work analysing our matches.

From his rare appearances doing so in the noughties he remains best pundit to cover Celtic games in my memory.
Sorry, but he's a poor analyst. Very bland and cliched and tries to use big words to make himself look clever, but it backfires badly usually and makes him look stupid.

Used to cringe sometimes when he did Football Italia with James Richardson.

As regards the incident, heard it on radio yesterday and assumed it might have been some kind of honky insult. I do think he has been hard done by a bit but the nature of his job perhaps leaves no room for interpretation.

Like the big guy and hope he has something else lined up. Great player for us and was a good guy with the fans. Shame his career was curtailed as he would have been a multi millionaire had he been playing in the last fifteen years.

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Sorry for Paul. I have a lot of time for the lad. In many respects a class act off and on the field. This "Twitter" nonsense - where people can "speak" before they think is more trouble that it's worth. Another absurd feature of modern life. :(
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24 Feb 2013, 01:34 PM
Don't know what's worse. Something like this happening to a childhood hero of mine or a bunch of so called adults typing "The N word" On here. How the eff can you expect to discuss things like racism when you can't bring yourself to say or type certain words for fear of offending the greater community?

Now I don't know if Paul used nigga or nigger but either way it looks like he was using it in a derogatory way and thus he had to leave his job. His position was untenable. Just look at the confusion it causes some on here and I'd say this place tries to be nice about most things. You just know that racists would have tried to use Elliot's use of the word as an excuse that it is an acceptable term.
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23 Feb 2013, 03:49 PM
If there is any upshot of this sorry affair I hope it leads to Paul having an opportunity to do some television work analysing our matches.

Could maybe be studio analyst with Ron Atkinson
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24 Feb 2013, 06:02 PM
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23 Feb 2013, 03:49 PM
If there is any upshot of this sorry affair I hope it leads to Paul having an opportunity to do some television work analysing our matches.

Could maybe be studio analyst with Ron Atkinson
Must be a Villa thing.

http://www.offthepost.info/blog/2011/08/meet-aston-villas-slightly-racist-former-mascot/

One of the main reasons I enjoyed Elliott's punditry was his unashamed favouritism and enthusiasm for Celtic which which is sadly lacking in other former players who appear on our screens.
Edited by Pussyfoot, 24 Feb 2013, 06:16 PM.
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You're a fenian.
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