Paul Elliot

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Paul Elliot; Steps down from his role at the FA. Called someone a thingmy
Topic Started: 23 Feb 2013, 03:41 PM (4,908 Views)
CoyleBhoy	24 Feb 2013, 02:19 AM Post #61
Macaroon Seller Posts: 4,442 Group: Snr. Member Member #25,822 Joined: 3 April 2010 Favourite all-time player Jinky	Good guy slipped up? Surely The semantics are worthy of a thread (probs in general) but Paul Elliot a racist do us a favour



markovan	24 Feb 2013, 02:31 AM Post #62
All that we see or seem. Is but a dream within a dream. Posts: 5,312 Group: Snr. Member Member #508 Joined: 16 January 2005 Favourite all-time player Bobby Murdoch	Rather than twitter, I thought it was a text message that Rufus decided to release. If so it was therefore a private conversation. Elliot was obviously seriously pissed off with Rufus. Had he called him a carrot what would have happened? Elliot has been an idiot, assuming that Rufus had acted like a carrot then you would have to assume he would continue to do so. Looks like he did. Elliot is a fool, given his position. The racist FA prefer resignations like this as there can be no comeback on them when in fact they are just avoiding doing any real management of the situation. Their approach is just get it off the table. So it will continue. No progress is made and latent racialism will continue to rise.



dennistounkev	24 Feb 2013, 02:44 AM Post #63
First-team starter Posts: 748 Group: Members Member #30,056 Joined: 22 December 2011 Favourite all-time player Larsson	de racine 24 Feb 2013, 02:19 AM dennistounkev 24 Feb 2013, 02:13 AM Used the n word. Not sure how it compares with me calling a fellow tim a fenian. It seems he also fabricated a fair bit of events and abuse while he was up here... Yes, I saw that. When Paul Elliott was recounting his career and experiences of racism he was muddled about dates and incidents that happened to him. When I read that I just wondered if maybe it was the interviewer who recounted it incorrectly when he wrote the piece. Or maybe Elliott forgot. I loved him as a player and he talks well about the game but maybe his memory isn't so good or he's just a bit daft. I'm not sure there was anything sinister in what he said or he was being deliberately misleading. Was it not in his own books? Im disappointed, he's the first guy I remember as sbig/good signing as a kid.



de racine	24 Feb 2013, 02:46 AM Post #64
Occasional Substitute Posts: 304 Group: Members Member #27,248 Joined: 15 November 2010	dennistounkev 24 Feb 2013, 02:44 AM de racine 24 Feb 2013, 02:19 AM dennistounkev 24 Feb 2013, 02:13 AM Used the n word. Not sure how it compares with me calling a fellow tim a fenian. It seems he also fabricated a fair bit of events and abuse while he was up here... Yes, I saw that. When Paul Elliott was recounting his career and experiences of racism he was muddled about dates and incidents that happened to him. When I read that I just wondered if maybe it was the interviewer who recounted it incorrectly when he wrote the piece. Or maybe Elliott forgot. I loved him as a player and he talks well about the game but maybe his memory isn't so good or he's just a bit daft. I'm not sure there was anything sinister in what he said or he was being deliberately misleading. Was it not in his own books? Im disappointed, he's the first guy I remember as sbig/good signing as a kid. It could be but I've not read the book, only what I saw copy / pasted over on Rangers Media when I was checking out the reaction to their singing and ESPN's announcement. The book would have been ghost written anyway I would have thought but I don't know. I had seen what you were talking about today though and it did seem muddled.



dennistounkev	24 Feb 2013, 02:51 AM Post #65
First-team starter Posts: 748 Group: Members Member #30,056 Joined: 22 December 2011 Favourite all-time player Larsson	de racine 24 Feb 2013, 02:46 AM dennistounkev 24 Feb 2013, 02:44 AM de racine 24 Feb 2013, 02:19 AM Quoting limited to 3 levels deep Was it not in his own books? Im disappointed, he's the first guy I remember as sbig/good signing as a kid. It could be but I've not read the book, only what I saw copy / pasted over on Rangers Media when I was checking out the reaction to their singing and ESPN's announcement. The book would have been ghost written anyway I would have thought but I don't know. I had seen what you were talking about today though and it did seem muddled. As much as Im all for proving how its not 50/50 up here theres plenty evidence without him needing to bend the truth! Something I'll need to look into properly.



costa bhoy	24 Feb 2013, 08:14 AM Post #66
First-team captain Posts: 3,005 Group: Snr. Member Member #8,912 Joined: 20 June 2007	Niubi 24 Feb 2013, 01:38 AM costa bhoy 24 Feb 2013, 01:35 AM Niubi 24 Feb 2013, 01:31 AM I would put a good amount of money on the fact that most black males of all professions, status', classes and backgrounds will regularly use that word in common language to each other. Sorry mate, but that part of your post is complete effing nonsense. Maybe in the States - I honestly wouldn't know but none of my British black friends use "nigger" in any context, at least with any regularity. Comparing Django with conversational usage is also redundant. Bollocks, I've grown up in Essex, I live in London, spent years knocking around with black people in all kinds of situations from the music scene, to everyday working environments, friends etc.. Heard it and still hear it frequently. It's banter to them when used in a certain way. You are talking shampooe And I lived in Hackney before moving to Spain. Finsbury Park before that. The only reason we have such different perceptions is that maybe we're of very different ages - I'm knocking on 50 and I repeat that the word "nigger" isn't a common word used in conversation between any of my black mates that I can think of, despite its prevalence in black American culture which you'd obviously expect to filter through to some extent. You said that you'd put money on the fact that most black males, regardless of profession, status, class or background regularly use it when speaking to each other; no mention of age. If you want to add age to that list, I repeat, that part of your post was complete effing nonsense.



Wee Red	24 Feb 2013, 10:04 AM Post #67
not too serious Posts: 9,439 Group: Snr. Member Member #439 Joined: 31 December 2004 Favourite all-time player Murdoch	Live by the PC sword, die by the PC sword sad to say.



A N Other	24 Feb 2013, 10:18 AM Post #68
I'm Spartacus Posts: 14,633 Group: Snr. Member Member #23,125 Joined: 9 March 2009	At least he didn't spit on him.



donnybhoy	24 Feb 2013, 10:44 AM Post #69
First-team starter Posts: 718 Group: Members Member #20,539 Joined: 9 July 2008	I'm not black so don't know the answer to this. While I've heard of black Americans calling each other the N word and it doesn't seem to be offensive do black British folk do this and treat it similarly? If not, then Elliot going is right.



oneillsrevolution	24 Feb 2013, 11:00 AM Post #70
but in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. Posts: 11,365 Group: Snr. Member Member #2,377 Joined: 29 November 2005	de racine 24 Feb 2013, 01:03 AM Firstly, the N word and fenian are not the same thing. Secondly, you really can't have an anti-racism campaigner and the FA's trustee of their biggest campaign to kick racism out of the game, a game which incidentally has been blighted for two years by racism, going around using what is generally considered to be the worst racial epithet. It's pretty clear cut that what he did undermined his work and his position. What he and his ex-business partner choose to call each other is to some degree between them but not when you throw his position as an FA trustee into the mix. He was stupid to do it and he paid the price.



behan	24 Feb 2013, 11:58 AM Post #71
borstal bhoy. Posts: 19,844 Group: Snr. Member Member #20,988 Joined: 1 August 2008	This is what happens when you expect footballers to have even a modicum of intelligence. Obviously the man isn't racist, but saying the word nigger in any context certainly undermines his work in attempting to kick the word out of football and Britain in general. The ol' "Oh, I'm black, I'm allowed say it" excuse doesn't and shouldn't work for someone working in anti-racism, as that sentiment is racist in itself. As wee red says, live by the PC sword, die by the PC sword. The position is political. You need to be politically sound for it. Turns out Paul isn't.



IainG	24 Feb 2013, 01:13 PM Post #72
We win Posts: 24,804 Group: Snr. Member Member #8,425 Joined: 24 May 2007 Favourite all-time player Mehmet Scholl & Alfredo di Stefano: Celt-Kenny Dalglish	tinytim81 24 Feb 2013, 12:55 AM How odd. A black man calling another black man the N word. If a fellow tim called me a fenian bastard I'm not sure if it would bother me. You've no doubt heard the story about the old Celtic Player Jean McFarlane (A protestant) complaining to Jimmy McGrory about huns calling him a fenian bastard during a game. "Don't bother about it " said McGrory. "They call me that too". "That's different" said McFarlane. "You are one!" (I think it came out wrong!) Edited by IainG, 24 Feb 2013, 01:14 PM.



Neil Jung	24 Feb 2013, 01:34 PM Post #73
Retired and now a Setanta pundit Posts: 10,725 Group: Snr. Member Member #8,815 Joined: 15 June 2007	Don't know what's worse. Something like this happening to a childhood hero of mine or a bunch of so called adults typing "The N word" On here. How the eff can you expect to discuss things like racism when you can't bring yourself to say or type certain words for fear of offending the greater community? Now I don't know if Paul used nigga or nigger but either way it looks like he was using it in a derogatory way and thus he had to leave his job. His position was untenable. Just look at the confusion it causes some on here and I'd say this place tries to be nice about most things. You just know that racists would have tried to use Elliot's use of the word as an excuse that it is an acceptable term.



Niubi	24 Feb 2013, 02:37 PM Post #74
I ♥ GONGA Posts: 18,495 Group: Snr. Member Member #5,057 Joined: 28 September 2006 Favourite all-time player Henrick Larrson	costa bhoy 24 Feb 2013, 08:14 AM Niubi 24 Feb 2013, 01:38 AM costa bhoy 24 Feb 2013, 01:35 AM Quoting limited to 3 levels deep Bollocks, I've grown up in Essex, I live in London, spent years knocking around with black people in all kinds of situations from the music scene, to everyday working environments, friends etc.. Heard it and still hear it frequently. It's banter to them when used in a certain way. You are talking shampooe And I lived in Hackney before moving to Spain. Finsbury Park before that. The only reason we have such different perceptions is that maybe we're of very different ages - I'm knocking on 50 and I repeat that the word "nigger" isn't a common word used in conversation between any of my black mates that I can think of, despite its prevalence in black American culture which you'd obviously expect to filter through to some extent. You said that you'd put money on the fact that most black males, regardless of profession, status, class or background regularly use it when speaking to each other; no mention of age. If you want to add age to that list, I repeat, that part of your post was complete effing nonsense. Hackney is where I have spent most of my time also. Age probably does come in to this, but also we need to realise the difference between the word "Nigger" and the word "Nigga", and even then the spelling is occasionally inconsequential. The fact we are discussing a well known black man who has worked in a high profile position fightiing racism, yet uses the word quite flippantly proves my point does it not..? And this is without going in to how black culture has changed over the last 30/40 years, and the reasons why "N-er" and "N-a" are very different.



Pat McGatt	24 Feb 2013, 03:33 PM Post #75
Occasional Substitute Posts: 637 Group: Members Member #32,021 Joined: 5 December 2012	Pussyfoot 23 Feb 2013, 03:49 PM If there is any upshot of this sorry affair I hope it leads to Paul having an opportunity to do some television work analysing our matches. From his rare appearances doing so in the noughties he remains best pundit to cover Celtic games in my memory. Sorry, but he's a poor analyst. Very bland and cliched and tries to use big words to make himself look clever, but it backfires badly usually and makes him look stupid. Used to cringe sometimes when he did Football Italia with James Richardson. As regards the incident, heard it on radio yesterday and assumed it might have been some kind of honky insult. I do think he has been hard done by a bit but the nature of his job perhaps leaves no room for interpretation. Like the big guy and hope he has something else lined up. Great player for us and was a good guy with the fans. Shame his career was curtailed as he would have been a multi millionaire had he been playing in the last fifteen years.



Edithhead	24 Feb 2013, 03:37 PM Post #76
Everyone's Fantasy Football first pick Posts: 2,048 Group: Members Member #25,573 Joined: 16 February 2010	Sorry for Paul. I have a lot of time for the lad. In many respects a class act off and on the field. This "Twitter" nonsense - where people can "speak" before they think is more trouble that it's worth. Another absurd feature of modern life.



costa bhoy	24 Feb 2013, 05:56 PM Post #77
First-team captain Posts: 3,005 Group: Snr. Member Member #8,912 Joined: 20 June 2007	Neil Jung 24 Feb 2013, 01:34 PM Don't know what's worse. Something like this happening to a childhood hero of mine or a bunch of so called adults typing "The N word" On here. How the eff can you expect to discuss things like racism when you can't bring yourself to say or type certain words for fear of offending the greater community? Now I don't know if Paul used nigga or nigger but either way it looks like he was using it in a derogatory way and thus he had to leave his job. His position was untenable. Just look at the confusion it causes some on here and I'd say this place tries to be nice about most things. You just know that racists would have tried to use Elliot's use of the word as an excuse that it is an acceptable term.



Henkesghost	24 Feb 2013, 06:02 PM Post #78
Let the people sing Posts: 8,271 Group: Snr. Member Member #5,774 Joined: 26 November 2006 Favourite all-time player Tommy Burns, Henke	Pussyfoot 23 Feb 2013, 03:49 PM If there is any upshot of this sorry affair I hope it leads to Paul having an opportunity to do some television work analysing our matches. Could maybe be studio analyst with Ron Atkinson



Pussyfoot	24 Feb 2013, 06:11 PM Post #79
First name on the team-sheet Posts: 1,466 Group: Members Member #22,774 Joined: 12 January 2009 Favourite all-time player Paul McStay	Henkesghost 24 Feb 2013, 06:02 PM Pussyfoot 23 Feb 2013, 03:49 PM If there is any upshot of this sorry affair I hope it leads to Paul having an opportunity to do some television work analysing our matches. Could maybe be studio analyst with Ron Atkinson Must be a Villa thing. http://www.offthepost.info/blog/2011/08/meet-aston-villas-slightly-racist-former-mascot/ One of the main reasons I enjoyed Elliott's punditry was his unashamed favouritism and enthusiasm for Celtic which which is sadly lacking in other former players who appear on our screens. Edited by Pussyfoot, 24 Feb 2013, 06:16 PM.



Tommy_Burns	24 Feb 2013, 11:24 PM Post #80
Getting on a bit Posts: 4,473 Group: Snr. Member Member #19,303 Joined: 15 May 2008 Favourite all-time player Fr. Romeo Sensini	You're a fenian.



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