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Youth Set Up - St Ninians HS obviously working.; Scotland development squad announced.
Topic Started: 9 Feb 2013, 10:32 AM (5,544 Views)
boneill88
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I received a letter from the SFA asking that one of our pupils is allowed to attend a development day for the U15 Scotland squad. This is a squad of 24 kids which has been whittled down from 50-60 of the best boys at pro youth level over the past year and will be the Victory Shield squad next season. I was looked at the squad list and on it was 11 boys from us, 2 from St Mirren, 2 from Dundee Utd and 1 each from various clubs including Arsenal and West Ham. I was surprised when Sevco had no one in the squad and obviously shows that they are not producing top quality players at this point.

Most of you will know that Celtic have a link with St Ninians in Kirkintilloch where they send boys to school here so that we can train them more. A basic day for the boys is:

Bused from home to St Ninians
Training session before school
Breakfast with the squad
Lunch with the squad
Bused to Lennoxtown after the game
2 hours to study/complete homework
Training at night
Parents pick kids up afterwards.

I am under the impression that this is 3 or 4 days a week of this routine and it seems to be producing the results at the moment in terms of youngsters being the best in the country. Any one I have spoken to at St Ninians have been impressed with the boys attitude, albeit not perfect as kids that age aren't.

Just wondering what anyone we thought about our youth structure and the positives/negatives behind it?
Edited by boneill88, 9 Feb 2013, 10:34 AM.
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It may produce some decent players but the St Ninian's schedule kinda reminds me of the old east germany/romanian/russian set ups in 70's bit indoctrinated and robotic no flair.
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I don't know the specifics of the tie up but I do know the head teacher of St Ninian's. the last time I spoke to him - at Celtic Park no less - he was very proud of his school's contribution to the club
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esteponabhoy
9 Feb 2013, 10:37 AM
It may produce some decent players but the St Ninian's schedule kinda reminds me of the old east germany/romanian/russian set ups in 70's bit indoctrinated and robotic no flair.
It seems to be based on the Dutch system, I have been to Feyenoord and Balencia on football development trips and it is almost exactly what is happening in Rotterdam. Not a million miles away from the Valencia model either. Kinda a slightly watered down version of La Masia I reckon.
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esteponabhoy
9 Feb 2013, 10:37 AM
It may produce some decent players but the St Ninian's schedule kinda reminds me of the old east germany/romanian/russian set ups in 70's bit indoctrinated and robotic no flair.
Yep. Personally I'd be gutted if we produced the next Michael Ballack with this scheme
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9 Feb 2013, 10:41 AM
esteponabhoy
9 Feb 2013, 10:37 AM
It may produce some decent players but the St Ninian's schedule kinda reminds me of the old east germany/romanian/russian set ups in 70's bit indoctrinated and robotic no flair.
Yep. Personally I'd be gutted if we produced the next Michael Ballack with this scheme
Or Hagi, or Moravcik
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Catholic schools :nono:
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boneill88
9 Feb 2013, 10:42 AM
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9 Feb 2013, 10:41 AM
esteponabhoy
9 Feb 2013, 10:37 AM
It may produce some decent players but the St Ninian's schedule kinda reminds me of the old east germany/romanian/russian set ups in 70's bit indoctrinated and robotic no flair.
Yep. Personally I'd be gutted if we produced the next Michael Ballack with this scheme
Or Hagi, or Moravcik
From the amount of players the romanian FA directed to certain clubs in that era Hagi is a memorable 1 but most of his big games were post ceausescu when he went to real madrid in 1990
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esteponabhoy
9 Feb 2013, 10:37 AM
It may produce some decent players but the St Ninian's schedule kinda reminds me of the old east germany/romanian/russian set ups in 70's bit indoctrinated and robotic no flair.
Don't think that it is anything like that. Giving talented youths a chance at the sport they love and an education in the event of it not working for them.

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esteponabhoy
9 Feb 2013, 10:37 AM
It may produce some decent players but the St Ninian's schedule kinda reminds me of the old east germany/romanian/russian set ups in 70's bit indoctrinated and robotic no flair.
Can you talk us through the leap you've made between the schedule, and how this results in "no flair"?
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esteponabhoy
9 Feb 2013, 10:37 AM
It may produce some decent players but the St Ninian's schedule kinda reminds me of the old east germany/romanian/russian set ups in 70's bit indoctrinated and robotic no flair.
Wibble.
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Said before on this forum, excellent school with brilliant people working there.
The boys could do a lot worse than St Ninians
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started in a few schools last year, boys and girls of good potential are invited to attend schools of excellence where they follow a similar routine, holyrood is my nearest one, one of my girls who plays for celtic was asked but she had already started secondary school a year early.
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My Alma Mater. :cry:
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Used to go to that school, when did they move Eastwood to Kirkintilloch
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9 Feb 2013, 10:32 AM
I received a letter from the SFA asking that one of our pupils is allowed to attend a development day for the U15 Scotland squad. This is a squad of 24 kids which has been whittled down from 50-60 of the best boys at pro youth level over the past year and will be the Victory Shield squad next season. I was looked at the squad list and on it was 11 boys from us, 2 from St Mirren, 2 from Dundee Utd and 1 each from various clubs including Arsenal and West Ham. I was surprised when Sevco had no one in the squad and obviously shows that they are not producing top quality players at this point.

Most of you will know that Celtic have a link with St Ninians in Kirkintilloch where they send boys to school here so that we can train them more. A basic day for the boys is:

Bused from home to St Ninians
Training session before school
Breakfast with the squad
Lunch with the squad
Bused to Lennoxtown after the game
2 hours to study/complete homework
Training at night
Parents pick kids up afterwards.

I am under the impression that this is 3 or 4 days a week of this routine and it seems to be producing the results at the moment in terms of youngsters being the best in the country. Any one I have spoken to at St Ninians have been impressed with the boys attitude, albeit not perfect as kids that age aren't.

Just wondering what anyone we thought about our youth structure and the positives/negatives behind it?
Well done St Ninian's, and the headie and staff who had the understanding to put it in place and continue to make it happen. On a shoestring budget I suspect.
Invite the Scotland manager for a visit.
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It costs us 200K a year, I think we have around 40 players their now. They train Mon to Friday starting at 6:30am, 9 training session per week, 18 hours in total. They probably train more than a lot of first team pros in Scotland.

Dundee Utd also have a similar setup.
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9 Feb 2013, 10:05 PM
It costs us 200K a year, I think we have around 40 players their now. They train Mon to Friday starting at 6:30am, 9 training session per week, 18 hours in total. They probably train more than a lot of first team pros in Scotland.

Dundee Utd also have a similar setup.
Great to hear about this. That's the road to Scotland qualifing for Euros and World Cups (eventually). No nonsense hard work. Listen to Andy Murray and his schedule. The youngsters can only benefit whatever happens.
Well done you guys.
Where does the SFA money actually go???
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9 Feb 2013, 10:34 PM
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9 Feb 2013, 10:05 PM
It costs us 200K a year, I think we have around 40 players their now. They train Mon to Friday starting at 6:30am, 9 training session per week, 18 hours in total. They probably train more than a lot of first team pros in Scotland.

Dundee Utd also have a similar setup.
Great to hear about this. That's the road to Scotland qualifing for Euros and World Cups (eventually). No nonsense hard work. Listen to Andy Murray and his schedule. The youngsters can only benefit whatever happens.
Well done you guys.
Where does the SFA money actually go???
I think the SFA are trying to copy the concept in 7 schools around the country with this new "performance school strategy". It's about 25 years too late but better late than never I suppose.
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