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Artificial Pitches
Topic Started: 26 Jan 2013, 06:30 PM (4,037 Views)
Rosco67
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29 Jan 2013, 11:53 AM
Rosco67
29 Jan 2013, 11:33 AM
Playing on one of these pitches tonight for the first time. Are slide tackles going to burn like eff?
Not really. You'll be picking the wee rubber bits out of every orifice if you try a slide tackle, though.
Bugger. I spend a ridiculous amount of time on the ground :lol:
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Wee bump after todays match, surely couldn't be worse than playing on that pitch today??
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Today's pitch was certainly space age. It was like playing on the moon. Actually, scratch that. The ball wouldn't be stuck to the deck on the moon!
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28 Jan 2013, 07:01 AM
I'd like to see SPL teams like Motherwell try the hybrid pitch. Fake grass woven into the turf. I think Wembley uses it and the New England
Patriots who share their stadium with a MLS team who use it with no issues. Field turf which was the previous generation had issues with the way the ball bounced. As much as artificial pitches can be bad on joints, a poorly maintained grass pitch can be just as serious.


The Patriots installed the newest version of FieldTurf a couple of years ago, FIFA approves:

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Gillette Stadium's FieldTurf surface has now earned FIFA 2-Star recommended status - for the second consecutive year. It is now the only field in the United States to have successfully passed FIFA 2-Star tests in back-to-back years. When the FieldTurf was initially tested in 2010, Gillette Stadiumís surface marked the only field in the United States to have FIFA 2-Star status.


Home to Major League Soccer's New England Revolution for soccer matches and the New England Patriots for football, Gillette Stadium has proven to be the ideal multi-purpose venue with a field that has been designed specifically to mirror the playing characteristics of professional soccer, in addition to football.


The FIFA Recommended 2-Star designation is the highest synthetic turf rating from FIFA and is issued after a battery of tests are performed by a FIFA approved testing agent. FIFA final round competitions and top UEFA competitions have the FIFA Recommended 2-Star in their respective competition regulations.


Pic of the turf below:

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There's a price tag, of course. Estimates put the cost of the turf at Gillette at close to $1 million. That's offset somewhat by drastically reduced maintenance costs, but whether an SPL club could afford it remains to be seen.




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Anyone who thinks 4G or even the new 5G pitches are better than grass, doesnt play on grass very often.

They are great for training etc, but the ball still does funny things on artificial surfaces, bounces irratically, sticks etc..
I have also yet to play on one that doesnt burn if you slide tackle or fall going full pelt, so, Petrov (Remy) style tights all round...

They have their uses, but top class football is not one of them. Having said that, the hybrid above sounds intriguing :thumbsup:
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k3vkr
5 Feb 2013, 05:03 PM
Anyone who thinks 4G or even the new 5G pitches are better than grass, doesnt play on grass very often.

They are great for training etc, but the ball still does funny things on artificial surfaces, bounces irratically, sticks etc..
I have also yet to play on one that doesnt burn if you slide tackle or fall going full pelt, so, Petrov (Remy) style tights all round...

They have their uses, but top class football is not one of them. Having said that, the hybrid above sounds intriguing :thumbsup:
All of that happens on grass pitches as well though. If anything an artificial pitch is more consistent than a myriad of different grass pitches all in different conditions
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Falkirk's hybrid pitch was a shambles the other day. Obviously not standing up to the Scottish winter.
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5 Feb 2013, 05:19 PM
k3vkr
5 Feb 2013, 05:03 PM
Anyone who thinks 4G or even the new 5G pitches are better than grass, doesnt play on grass very often.

They are great for training etc, but the ball still does funny things on artificial surfaces, bounces irratically, sticks etc..
I have also yet to play on one that doesnt burn if you slide tackle or fall going full pelt, so, Petrov (Remy) style tights all round...

They have their uses, but top class football is not one of them. Having said that, the hybrid above sounds intriguing :thumbsup:
All of that happens on grass pitches as well though. If anything an artificial pitch is more consistent than a myriad of different grass pitches all in different conditions
You are misunderstanding i think...
Poor grass pitches do it, yes.
The point i am aking is that it can happen at anytime on an artificial pitch, and it will take you by surprise, at least on a pants grass park you are aware of divets, mud patches, wet parts and can to a certain extent allow for it... On an artificial park you cant.

You could maybe develop a material that can be used for footballs, that could eliminate it??
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k3vkr
5 Feb 2013, 06:03 PM
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5 Feb 2013, 05:19 PM
k3vkr
5 Feb 2013, 05:03 PM
Anyone who thinks 4G or even the new 5G pitches are better than grass, doesnt play on grass very often.

They are great for training etc, but the ball still does funny things on artificial surfaces, bounces irratically, sticks etc..
I have also yet to play on one that doesnt burn if you slide tackle or fall going full pelt, so, Petrov (Remy) style tights all round...

They have their uses, but top class football is not one of them. Having said that, the hybrid above sounds intriguing :thumbsup:
All of that happens on grass pitches as well though. If anything an artificial pitch is more consistent than a myriad of different grass pitches all in different conditions
You could maybe develop a material that can be used for footballs, that could eliminate it??
Wonder how a Mouldmaster would react to a plastic pitch :hmmm:
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5 Feb 2013, 06:27 PM
k3vkr
5 Feb 2013, 06:03 PM
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5 Feb 2013, 05:19 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepbounces irratically, sticks etc..
You could maybe develop a material that can be used for footballs, that could eliminate it??
Wonder how a Mouldmaster would react to a plastic pitch :hmmm:
A nuclear fusion reaction would be induced.
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5 Feb 2013, 06:27 PM
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5 Feb 2013, 05:19 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepbounces irratically, sticks etc..
You could maybe develop a material that can be used for footballs, that could eliminate it??
Wonder how a Mouldmaster would react to a plastic pitch :hmmm:
A mouldmaster would have the same effect on a plastic pitch that it did on many many children of yesteryear, in that I would expect the plastic pitch to have big bald patches in places from the constant tearing out at the roots of the fibres everytime the ball bounced on it (as it would to your hear when headering), with many parts of the pitch being forever scarred with huge dimpled indentations, finishing off by running crying to it's big plstic mummy after the game.......... :cry:
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uistbhoy
26 Jan 2013, 11:09 PM
i think a lot of pitches are hybrid these days right? including Easter Road apparently.

Desso GrassMaster and all that.
Ours is hybrid too. I remember reading (in The View i think) that the Celtic park pitch is something like 86% grass woven round 14% artificial fibres.
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6 Feb 2013, 12:19 AM
uistbhoy
26 Jan 2013, 11:09 PM
i think a lot of pitches are hybrid these days right? including Easter Road apparently.

Desso GrassMaster and all that.
Ours is hybrid too. I remember reading (in The View i think) that the Celtic park pitch is something like 86% grass woven round 14% artificial fibres.
did not know that
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k3vkr
5 Feb 2013, 05:03 PM
Anyone who thinks 4G or even the new 5G pitches are better than grass, doesnt play on grass very often.

They are great for training etc, but the ball still does funny things on artificial surfaces, bounces irratically, sticks etc..
I have also yet to play on one that doesnt burn if you slide tackle or fall going full pelt, so, Petrov (Remy) style tights all round...

They have their uses, but top class football is not one of them. Having said that, the hybrid above sounds intriguing :thumbsup:
I'd rather play on a plastic park with an erratic bounce than a grassy bog with no bounce as we witnessed against Raith.

A plastic pitch encourages players to get the ball down and play football.
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tinytim81
28 Jan 2013, 09:47 AM
Based on the fact that Celtic Park is usually kept in excellent condition isn't it fair to say that the other pitches are a mess because of the poor standard of groundskeeping?
not 100% true. Celtic Park (and Pittodrie I think) as well as most english prem league grounds, now use the UV growlamps on non match days. this process replicates sunlight, and makes a massive difference to the growth of grass on the field. There was a discussion on the radio last season (or the season before) where the pundits were saying these lamps are very expensive to run, and so many clubs can't afford to buy and run them. also - all epl clubs have to have weather protection for the pitch. traditionally this meant undersoil heating (like we have at celtic park) but nowadays, most epl clubs use a cheaper alternative, a kind of plastic cover with heaters underneath it. in the spl, clubs without heating seem to be using tarpaulins and even straw etc to protect the pitch in winter. given our climate, weather protection for the pitch SHOULD imo be one of the minimum standards for spl admission. (ie undersoil heating, or somehing equivalent). that way, we would ensure games could always go ahead.
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6 Feb 2013, 12:23 AM
k3vkr
5 Feb 2013, 05:03 PM
Anyone who thinks 4G or even the new 5G pitches are better than grass, doesnt play on grass very often.

They are great for training etc, but the ball still does funny things on artificial surfaces, bounces irratically, sticks etc..
I have also yet to play on one that doesnt burn if you slide tackle or fall going full pelt, so, Petrov (Remy) style tights all round...

They have their uses, but top class football is not one of them. Having said that, the hybrid above sounds intriguing :thumbsup:
I'd rather play on a plastic park with an erratic bounce than a grassy bog with no bounce as we witnessed against Raith.

A plastic pitch encourages players to get the ball down and play football.
Fair do's, but there is a reason why these haven't been rolled out everywhere with crap weather like us...

My guess is its cos they're shampooe :thumbsup:
Do no end of damage to your feet also, unless you plump for a pair of pumps like mick405...

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uistbhoy
26 Jan 2013, 11:09 PM
i think a lot of pitches are hybrid these days right? including Easter Road apparently.

Desso GrassMaster and all that.
Ours is hybrid too. I remember reading (in The View i think) that the Celtic park pitch is something like 86% grass woven round 14% artificial fibres.
What about the other 5%

:ponder:
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6 Feb 2013, 05:35 AM
Luxo
6 Feb 2013, 12:19 AM
uistbhoy
26 Jan 2013, 11:09 PM
i think a lot of pitches are hybrid these days right? including Easter Road apparently.

Desso GrassMaster and all that.
Ours is hybrid too. I remember reading (in The View i think) that the Celtic park pitch is something like 86% grass woven round 14% artificial fibres.
What about the other 5%

:ponder:
:hmmm: Here was me thinking that 86 + 14 equalled 100.
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k3vkr
6 Feb 2013, 12:26 AM
Fair do's, but there is a reason why these haven't been rolled out everywhere with crap weather like us...

My guess is its cos they're shampooe :thumbsup:
Do no end of damage to your feet also, unless you plump for a pair of pumps like mick405...

You'll, no doubt, have evidence for your claim that artificial pitches are bad for players' feet? In fact FIFA's research suggests that there is no increase in injuries in games played on artificial pitches.

Good quality artificial pitches are far superior to poorly maintained grass. Nobody's suggesting the Nou Camp should have astro, but you can't seriosly agrue that Fir Park's surface is preferable to 4G.

They're used in Serie A, Ligue 1, Eredivisie and the Russian premier league, but you don't think they're good enough for the SPL...
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Watching Sportscene, just thought I'd give this a bump.

The pitches are almost universally dreadful and make the SPL look like a pub league.
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