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Celtic v Celtic; 2013/14 by comparison
Topic Started: 25 Aug 2012, 07:35 PM (43,264 Views)
Crossraguel
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Celtic v Juventus - European Cup & Champions League
PWDLFAWDLFAGDPts
Celtic 1981/8221001000102-13*
Celtic 2001/022100430012303
Overall42005300225-16*


1981/82 European Cup

16 September 1981
Celtic 1 Juventus 0
MacLeod 65
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30 September 1981
Juventus 2 Celtic 0
Virdis 28, Bettega 40
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2001/02 Champions League

18 September 2001
Juventus 3 Celtic 2
Trezeguet 43, 55, Petrov 67, :larsson: 85 pen, Amoruso 90 pen
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31 October 2001
Celtic 4 Juventus 3
Del Piero 19, :valgaeren: 24, :sutton: 45, Trezeguet 51, :sutton: 64, :larsson: 57 pen, Trezeguet 77
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This not been updated yet?!

Eff sake! The crossraguel of 2003/04 would have done it by now...
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Crossraguel
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SPL after Match 18
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Celtic 2003/041817105975252
Celtic 2001/02 1817104473752
Celtic 2002/03 1816115294349
Celtic 2006/07 18152136132347
Celtic 2000/0118143143192445
Celtic 2005/0618142247163144
Celtic 2004/05 18142244182644
Celtic 2008/09 18142241182344
Celtic 2010/1118133239132642
Celtic 2011/12 18132336142241
Celtic 2007/08 18114346172937
Celtic 2012/13 18114337142337
Celtic 2009/10 18114337191837


SPL after Match 19
PWDLFAGDPts
Celtic 2003/041918106275555
Celtic 2001/02 1917114493552
Celtic 2002/03 19161254124249
Celtic 2000/0119153146202648
Celtic 2006/07 19153137142348
Celtic 2004/05 19152245182747
Celtic 2008/09 19152244182647
Celtic 2005/0619143248173145
Celtic 2010/1119143241132845
Celtic 2011/12 19142338142444
Celtic 2007/08 19124348173140
Celtic 2012/13 19124339142540
Celtic 2009/10 19115338201838


SPL after Match 20
PWDLFAGDPts
Celtic 2003/042019106375658
Celtic 2001/02 20181147113655
Celtic 2000/0120163148212751
Celtic 2006/07 20163138142451
Celtic 2002/03 20162255134250
Celtic 2004/05 20162247182950
Celtic 2008/09 20162245182750
Celtic 2005/0620153250183248
Celtic 2011/1220152340152547
Celtic 2010/1120144242142846
Celtic 2007/08 20134351173443
Celtic 2009/10 20125342212141
Celtic 2012/13 20124439152440
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Albert Ein-Jock-Stein
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I am also a fellow lover of statistics, so if you ever need any assistance then feel free to ask Crossraguel :thumbsup:

As I already said on the post-match Hibs thread, this defeat means we have dropped 20 points in 20 SPL games. We have our lowest points tally after 20 games for 14 years (1998/99), even lower than both Barnes' and Mowbray's seasons in charge. We've also scored the least amount of goals after 20 games for 6 years (2006/07) and lost the most amount of games after 20 games for 13 years (1999/00). Now of course we are still in 4 competitions, including the Last 16 of the UEFA Champions League, and will definitely win 2IAR but if we maintain our average (2 points per game), we will end up with 76 points come May, 17 points less than last season. That would make this side the worst champions of Scotland's premier division since Rangers won 7IAR back in 1994/95, 18 years ago.

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Albert Ein-Jock-Stein
30 Dec 2012, 03:35 AM
I am also a fellow lover of statistics, so if you ever need any assistance then feel free to ask Crossraguel :thumbsup:

As I already said on the post-match Hibs thread, this defeat means we have dropped 20 points in 20 SPL games. We have our lowest points tally after 20 games for 14 years (1998/99), even lower than both Barnes' and Mowbray's seasons in charge. We've also scored the least amount of goals after 20 games for 6 years (2006/07) and lost the most amount of games after 20 games for 13 years (1999/00). Now of course we are still in 4 competitions, including the Last 16 of the UEFA Champions League, and will definitely win 2IAR but if we maintain our average (2 points per game), we will end up with 76 points come May, 17 points less than last season. That would make this side the worst champions of Scotland's premier division since Rangers won 7IAR back in 1994/95, 18 years ago.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/scottish-premier/top-scorers

First time in a while that I've seen so few Celtic players at the top of the scorers table in the SPL. Normally we would have top goalscorer but Hooper is not even in the top 5, with less than 10 SPL goals. To be near the half way mark of the season and for our main striker not to get into double figures is pretty poor.
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SPL after Match 21
PWDLFAGDPts
Celtic 2003/042120106685861
Celtic 2001/02 21191151114058
Celtic 2000/0121173154213354
Celtic 2002/03 21172257134453
Celtic 2004/05 21172249193053
Celtic 2006/07 21164140162452
Celtic 2005/0621163253203351
Celtic 2008/09 21163247202751
Celtic 2011/12 21162341152650
Celtic 2010/1121154245143149
Celtic 2007/08 21144352173546
Celtic 2012/13 21134440152543
Celtic 2009/10 21125443232041
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Good man. We've dropped one less point than we did in the whole of last season.

I really want to see us rack up some points from here on in.
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Comparison of SPL attendances 2011/12 v 2012/13 after first round of Home/Away fixtures

Had a wee look at the SPL attendances compared with last year, comparing home gates for each fixture. We've had almost every fixture home and away, the exceptions being Celtic v. Dundee Utd. (16/02/13), Dundee v. Kilmarnock (27/01/13), Ross County v. Hearts (02/02/13) and Ross County v. Inverness CT (to be rescheduled). Given that Dundee and County weren't in the SPL last year, the like for like focus is elsewhere anyway.

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Winners
Hibs, Aberdeen, St. Johnstone & Hearts all ahead on cumulative/average attendances by direct comparison with last year - Hibs and Aberdeen considerably so, over a thousand extra fans at each fixture :rubeyes: Given how vocal those supports were on the matter of Rangers/Deadco/Sevco, surely no little credit is due that they have put their money where their mouth is, particularly in these austere times :worthy: Hearts started the season with poorer attendances, with a recent upsurge prompted by :taxmancometh2: nudging them just over the break-even point. It's fair to include Dundee and Ross County in the Winners as well, undoubtedly both enjoying greater attendances than last season in Division 1. So 6/12 teams definitely don't 'need a strong rangers' to survive; Hibs and Aberdeen may even be flourishing with a greater chance of finishing closer to the top of the table.

Losers
Celtic, Motherwell & Kilmarnock have seen the greatest falls in attendance, with Inverness CT, St. Mirren & Dundee Utd. seeing more marginal drops. 33,391 less turns of the style at Paradise represents 3,085 each game - a notional 1m drop in ticket sales based on 29 per head. Obviously this isn't actual loss, and many absent season ticket holders are paying anyway, but there'll surely be proportionately less match day sales of programmes, pies/bovril, windfall tickets etc. These figures include the thousands of freebies given out for the Christmas fixtures too.

Solutions :ponder:
Actively marketing more affordable tickets for families; giving more to KANO and other needy causes; reinstate perks for ministers of religion, perhaps other worthy groups too. Most of which may shift a few more tickets, but not affect the stay at home season ticket holders. How about an attendance bonus - if your season ticket is used 100% a wee discount off next year, free meal at Number 7 or a couple of hospitality upgrades for a match. Could taper rewards according to % attendance - 95%, 90% etc. :hmmm: Such would surely incentivise attending, or making folk proactive in ensuring they pass on the unused brief to someone else, increasing matchday revenue. A ST recycling initiative linked to KANO and other charities could surely work for minimal facilitation on the part of the club.

The Stats

A couple of points on methodology. These are direct comparisons of the equivalent match last season i.e. the first tie home/away between the respective teams (or relegated/defunct equivalent). As such it is subject to the impact of luck of the draw aspects such as opening day of the season, new year, hideously early KO times in far-flung destinations for televised matches and dreich Wednesday nights in December. All stats are the officially recorded attendance on the SPL site http://www.scotprem.com/content/default.asp?page=home_SPL%20teams and are therefore subject to the 'honesty' of those clubs providing said stats, or at least 'massaging' them in a consistent way year on year. Celtic's future match against Dundee Utd. has used an average figure in order to provide a full set of stats, which hopefully shouldn't be too far off the mark.

Aberdeen
2012/132011/12Variance
Cumulative Total118,763
106,79411,969
Average10,797 9,7091,088

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Celtic
2012/132011/12Variance
Cumulative Total509,046
542,977-33,931
Average46,277
49,362-3,085

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Dundee
2012/13
Cumulative Total
69,024
Average6,902

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Dundee Utd.
2012/132011/12Variance
Cumulative Total
85,18186,330-1,149
Average
7,7447,848-104

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Hearts
2012/132011/12Variance
Cumulative Total
149,320148,832488
Average
13,57513,53044

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Hibs
2012/132011/12Variance
Cumulative Total
119,883107,59812,285
Average
10,8989,7821,117

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Inverness CT
2012/132011/12Variance
Cumulative Total
42,80145,855-3,054
Average
3,8914,169-278

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Kilmarnock
2012/132011/12Variance
Cumulative Total
54,88060,161-5,281
Average
4,9895,469-480

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Motherwell
2012/132011/12Variance
Cumulative Total
55,01864,156-9,138
Average
5,0025,832-831

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St. Johnstone
2012/132011/12Variance
Cumulative Total
43,32640,4502,876
Average
3,9393,677261

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St. Mirren
2012/132011/12Variance
Cumulative Total
50,88053,409-2,529
Average
4,6254,855-230

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Ross County
2012/13
Cumulative Total
39,068
Average
4,341

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Outstanding work :worthy:
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So, proportionately, the biggest losers are Motherwell, followed by Killie.

Can it really be true that the reduction in the price of admission at the mammal house is allowing them to pay for the bus fare they previously couldn't afford?
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orlandopoolhome
18 Jan 2013, 11:07 AM
So, proportionately, the biggest losers are Motherwell, followed by Killie.

Can it really be true that the reduction in the price of admission at the mammal house is allowing them to pay for the bus fare they previously couldn't afford?
% variance in attendance 2011/12 v 2012/13 after first round of Home/Away fixtures
Team% variance
Hibs+11.4%
Aberdeen+11.2%
St. Johnstone+7.1%
Hearts+0.3%
Dundee Utd.-1.3%
St. Mirren-4.7%
Celtic -6.3%
Inverness CT-6.7%
Kilmarnock-8.8%
Motherwell-14.2%


Afraid I don't have Stagecoach ticket sales data for Saturday services Kilmarnock/Govan or Motherwell/Govan, but I'm reckoning we now have empirical evidence confirming what we always suspected :thumbsup:
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being a bit of a statistician at work I find this stuff compelling reading

would be interested to see some stats across SPL on:

team penalties awarded vs, actually scored
individual players success at penalty kicks, who was good/bad?
keepers in penalty kicks, who made the most saves per pk?
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18 Jan 2013, 11:07 AM
So, proportionately, the biggest losers are Motherwell, followed by Killie.

Can it really be true that the reduction in the price of admission at the mammal house is allowing them to pay for the bus fare they previously couldn't afford?
Where have you been?
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Have we sacked this? Shame. I found it really interesting. And also, we've won our last few league games.
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18 Jan 2013, 08:56 PM
orlandopoolhome
18 Jan 2013, 11:07 AM
So, proportionately, the biggest losers are Motherwell, followed by Killie.

Can it really be true that the reduction in the price of admission at the mammal house is allowing them to pay for the bus fare they previously couldn't afford?
% variance in attendance 2011/12 v 2012/13 after first round of Home/Away fixtures
Team% variance
Hibs+11.4%
Aberdeen+11.2%
St. Johnstone+7.1%
Hearts+0.3%
Dundee Utd.-1.3%
St. Mirren-4.7%
Celtic -6.3%
Inverness CT-6.7%
Kilmarnock-8.8%
Motherwell-14.2%


Afraid I don't have Stagecoach ticket sales data for Saturday services Kilmarnock/Govan or Motherwell/Govan, but I'm reckoning we now have empirical evidence confirming what we always suspected :thumbsup:


Our crowds haven't changed too much. Celtic had a smaller crowd at RP. We also had smaller away supports from Hibs due to it being on TV on a Sunday.

Celtic's crowds can be taken with a pinch of salt though. There is no chance there was 45000 at the game last month against us on the Wednesday night.

I presume plenty of Celtic fans have lost their busfare this season too?

P.S - I live in Glasgow and travel to Killie for home games, so dunno how that fits into your busfare theory. :thumbsup:
Edited by Killie1997, 18 Feb 2013, 10:08 PM.
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Killie1997
18 Feb 2013, 10:04 PM
Crossraguel
18 Jan 2013, 08:56 PM
orlandopoolhome
18 Jan 2013, 11:07 AM
So, proportionately, the biggest losers are Motherwell, followed by Killie.

Can it really be true that the reduction in the price of admission at the mammal house is allowing them to pay for the bus fare they previously couldn't afford?
% variance in attendance 2011/12 v 2012/13 after first round of Home/Away fixtures
Team% variance
Hibs+11.4%
Aberdeen+11.2%
St. Johnstone+7.1%
Hearts+0.3%
Dundee Utd.-1.3%
St. Mirren-4.7%
Celtic -6.3%
Inverness CT-6.7%
Kilmarnock-8.8%
Motherwell-14.2%


Afraid I don't have Stagecoach ticket sales data for Saturday services Kilmarnock/Govan or Motherwell/Govan, but I'm reckoning we now have empirical evidence confirming what we always suspected :thumbsup:


Our crowds haven't changed too much.
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Only that there's 8.8% less of you!
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Thought I would update this.

SPL after 32 Matches
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Celtic 2003/0432293098188090
Celtic 2001/0232283174155987
Celtic 2000/0132274180245685
Celtic 2005/0632264284305482
Celtic 2004/0532262474264880
Celtic 2002/0332254377225579
Celtic 2010/1132254370185279
Celtic 2011/1232253466204678
Celtic 2006/0732236358253375
Celtic 2007/0832225573225171
Celtic 2008/0932218373304371
Celtic 2012/1332206675304566
Celtic 2009/1032196760342663
Celtic 1998/9932188677284962
Celtic 1999/0032185982374559


As you can see, we're more Mowbray/Venglos than MON/WGS. We're on course for a 78 point season. The maximum we can now take is 84 points, should we win our remaining 6 games. One more defeat would see us struggling to match Mowbray's points tally from 2009/10.

Yes, we'll win the league. And given the hun free nature of the SPL this season, such comparisons are probably not very relevant. But there are questions there to be asked about how committed our players have been, and whether the fans have been short changed by our domestic form.
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Had we used this season to blood some youngsters and experiment a bit and play good football I think most would accept the points tally. We've played the most boring, mind numbing football I've seen from a Celtic team this season though, and, imo, losing so many points while playing like that is dreadful.
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