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Celtic v Celtic; 2017/18 by comparison
Topic Started: 25 Aug 2012, 07:35 PM (229,058 Views)
GanleyBhoy95
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fatboab
29 Sep 2012, 08:11 PM
Going top of the SPL today yet bottom of the Celtic v Celtic table is perhaps confirming that the SPL needs a strong Deid FC.
Could you not also say that this could be due to increased competiveness??
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GanleyBhoy95
29 Sep 2012, 08:29 PM
fatboab
29 Sep 2012, 08:11 PM
Going top of the SPL today yet bottom of the Celtic v Celtic table is perhaps confirming that the SPL needs a strong Deid FC.
Could you not also say that this could be due to increased competiveness??
absolutely, but I think we all realise that if Deid FC wurny deid, we'd not be top of the SPL with that points total.
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29 Sep 2012, 08:11 PM
Crossraguel...

any chance of adding what League position we were in in each week of the season as it adds a bit perspective. Going top of the SPL today yet bottom of the Celtic v Celtic table is perhaps confirming that the SPL needs a strong Deid FC.
Here's a rough idea of how things looked after 7 games in the SPL years. Generally, 14pts would have put you in 3rd place, leading the best of the rest of the SPL by a point.

After 7 games
YearCeltichunsWhere 14pts would put you
1998/995th (9pts)1st (12pts)1st
1999/002nd (18pts) 1st (21pts)3rd
2000/011st (21pts)2nd (18pts)4th - Behind Hibs (16pts)
2001/021st (19pts)2nd (15pts)3rd
2002/032nd (18pts)1st (19pts)3rd
2003/042nd (19pts)1st (21pts)3rd
2004/051st (19pts)2nd (14pts)Joint 2nd
2005/062nd (16pts)3rd (13pts)
Hearts 1st (21pts)
3rd
2006/071st (16pts)3rd (12pts)
Hearts 2nd (13pts)
Joint 2nd
2007/082nd (16pts)1st (18pts)4th - Behind Hibs (15pts)
2008/092nd (16pts)1st (19pts)3rd
2009/101st (16pts)2nd (15pts)3rd
2010/111st (21pts)2nd (21pts)3rd
2011/122nd (15pts)1st (19pts)3rd
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thanks Moravcik...

interesting.
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fatboab
30 Sep 2012, 10:34 AM
thanks Moravcik...

interesting.
I declare these stats to show that the SPL is far more competitive and balanced with the absence of a certain shower of cheating scumbags. :arrr:
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Given our record breaking performance last night I though I'd do a wee comparison for the group stage Champions League matches.

After Match 1
PWDLFAWDLFAGDPts
Celtic 2008/091010000000001
Celtic 2012/131010000000001
Celtic 2001/0210000000123-10
Celtic 2006/0710000000123-10
Celtic 2003/0410000000112-10
Celtic 2004/0510011300000-20
Celtic 2007/0810000000102-20


Bizarrely the catastrophic 0-0 draw at home to Aalborg in 2008 was statistically our best start to the competition before being equalled against Benfica; it's all relative.

After Match 2
PWDLFAWDLFAGDPts
Celtic 2012/132010001003214
Celtic 2003/042100200011213
Celtic 2001/022100100012303
Celtic 2006/072100100012303
Celtic 2007/0821002100102-13
Celtic 2008/0920100000101-11
Celtic 2004/0520011300113-40


Our first away victory puts us a point ahead of the pace in 2006/07 and 2007/08 when we ended up qualifying for the last 16.

After Match 3
PWDLFAWDLFAGDPts
Celtic 2006/073200400012336
Celtic 2001/02 3200200012316
Celtic 2012/132010001003214
Celtic 2003/043100200021303
Celtic 2007/0831002100203-23
Celtic 2008/0930100000204-41
Celtic 2004/05 30011300216-70


Looking ahead to the next round of matches though, we'll do well to keep up with (or ahead of :pray: ) the performance of 2006/07 & 2001/02. Obviously that'll be after 2 away matches, so again the stats don't tell the whole story.

Either way, we're at least in our third best position after 3 matches, having played only 2 :rocker:
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fatboab
29 Sep 2012, 08:32 PM
GanleyBhoy95
29 Sep 2012, 08:29 PM
fatboab
29 Sep 2012, 08:11 PM
Going top of the SPL today yet bottom of the Celtic v Celtic table is perhaps confirming that the SPL needs a strong Deid FC.
Could you not also say that this could be due to increased competiveness??
absolutely, but I think we all realise that if Deid FC wurny deid, we'd not be top of the SPL with that points total.
I think if they were here we would not be on the points total we have at the moment.

We would have fielded stronger teams in a few of the earlier games, as it is without them to worry about we could take it a bit easier in those games knowing we would get the points back. It allowed us to concentrate solely on the CL for the first month of the season.
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29 Sep 2012, 08:32 PM
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29 Sep 2012, 08:29 PM

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absolutely, but I think we all realise that if Deid FC wurny deid, we'd not be top of the SPL with that points total.
I think if they were here we would not be on the points total we have at the moment.

We would have fielded stronger teams in a few of the earlier games, as it is without them to worry about we could take it a bit easier in those games knowing we would get the points back. It allowed us to concentrate solely on the CL for the first month of the season.
that's true too. :thumbsup:

I'm not a lover of statistics, as they can skew any argument to suit whatever the agenda is, but it will be interesting to see if a Deid FC free SPL allows us to record our highest points total or goals for total.
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fatboab
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fatboab
29 Sep 2012, 08:32 PM

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I think if they were here we would not be on the points total we have at the moment.

We would have fielded stronger teams in a few of the earlier games, as it is without them to worry about we could take it a bit easier in those games knowing we would get the points back. It allowed us to concentrate solely on the CL for the first month of the season.
that's true too. :thumbsup:

I'm not a lover of statistics, as they can skew any argument to suit whatever the agenda is, but it will be interesting to see if a Deid FC free SPL allows us to record our highest points total or goals for total.
We can only afford to drop 3 more points if we want to beat the highest points total.
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Groves
4 Oct 2012, 03:17 PM
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4 Oct 2012, 01:41 PM
Bobby Peru
4 Oct 2012, 01:13 PM

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that's true too. :thumbsup:

I'm not a lover of statistics, as they can skew any argument to suit whatever the agenda is, but it will be interesting to see if a Deid FC free SPL allows us to record our highest points total or goals for total.
We can only afford to drop 3 more points if we want to beat the highest points total.
Around this time last year we went on a 17 game winning streak. What odds winning every match from now to end of the season?
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4 Oct 2012, 01:41 PM

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We can only afford to drop 3 more points if we want to beat the highest points total.
Around this time last year we went on a 17 game winning streak. What odds winning every match from now to end of the season?
It would be some achievement if we did that. Here's hoping. :thumbsup:
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pieol
5 Oct 2012, 12:22 PM
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fatboab
4 Oct 2012, 01:41 PM

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We can only afford to drop 3 more points if we want to beat the highest points total.
Around this time last year we went on a 17 game winning streak. What odds winning every match from now to end of the season?
Not as high as they should be. We will drop a good few points between now and the end of the season, off days happen. Fully expect youth players to get more game time this season than in any season before so they will make mistakes that may well cost us the odd point as they are learning the ropes.
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Match 8 Preview

Having returned to the top of the SPL last week, we were still a few points off the pace of previous seasons. The good news, courtesy of a disappointing 0-0 home draw to Motherwell in 2009/10, is that a 2-0 victory against Hearts tomorrow will equal our standing that season.

After Match 8
PWDLFAGDPts
Match 8 totals1211102322134


We kept clean sheets in 10 of the 12 matches at this stage, including home and away victories over Rangers :chuffed:

Results and scorers:

23/09/00
Dundee (H) 1-0 59,694
Petrov 61

22/09/01
Aberdeen (H) 2-0 59,197
:larsson: 65, Petrov 81

22/09/02
Dundee (A) 1-0 9,483
:larsson: 18

04/10/03
Rangers (A) 1-0 49,825
:hartson: 46

03/10/04
Dundee Utd (A) 3-0 10,329
:sutton: 9, Petrov 17, :sutton: 37

24/09/05
Inverness CT (H) 2-1 57,247
Wyness 51, Beattie 57, Beattie 67

23/09/06
Rangers (H) 2-0 59,341
Gravesen 35, Miller 74

29/09/07
Dundee Utd (H) 3-0 57,006
McDonald 7, McDonald 67, McDonald 72

04/10/08
Hamilton (H) 4-0 55,881
:nakamura: 25, :samaras: 37, McDonald 76, :mcgeady: 83

17/10/09
Motherwell (H) 0-0 58,000

17/10/10
Dundee Utd (A) 2-1 11,790
:hooper: 13, Goodwillie 38, :hooper: 89

24/09/11
Inverness CT (H) 2-0 47,382
:ledley: 28, Forrest 33
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Todays 3 points levels the tally with 2009/10, 1 behind on goal difference. Still the poorest goal difference over the period.

After Match 8
PWDLFAGDPts
Celtic 2000/0188002171424
Celtic 2010/1188001841424
Celtic 2001/02 87101921722
Celtic 2004/05 87102151622
Celtic 2003/0487101931622
Celtic 2002/03 87011731421
Celtic 2007/08 86112762119
Celtic 2008/09 861121101119
Celtic 2005/0686111991019
Celtic 2006/07 8611145919
Celtic 2011/12 86021861218
Celtic 2009/10 8521157817
Celtic 2012/13 8521147717


Had a look at performances against Hearts over the period, given that they've been as much of a 'third team' as anyone could claim to be.

Results v Hearts
SeasonFirst HomeSecond HomeFirst AwaySecond Away
2000/016-11-04-23-0
2001/022-02-01-04-1
2002/034-21-04-11-2
2003/045-02-21-01-1
2004/053-00-22-02-1
2005/061-11-03-20-3
2006/072-11-31-22-1
2007/085-03-01-1Bottom 6
2008/091-10-02-01-1
2009/102-12-01-22-1
2010/113-04-00-23-0
2011/121-05-00-24-0
2012/131-0


Have stopped Hearts scoring at Celtic Park since 2009 :rubeyes: though we've lost our first trip to Tynecastle each of the last three years, so a trend that needs reversing there.

Results v Hearts
PWDLFAGDPts
Home25194258144461
Away23143643251845
Total4833781013962106



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You ever thought of learning the guitar or something?
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You ever thought of learning the guitar or something?


Knock yerself out :thumbsup:

http://youtu.be/7dXUW2wBS3I
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The last two 100% starts to the season faltered at the ninth match, a 1-1 draw away to Aberdeen in 2000 and 3-1 home defeat to Rangers in 2010. Today's result is the fourth 5-0 victory at this stage and provides the boost to our goal difference we've threatened a couple of times in recent weeks.

After Match 9
PWDLFAGDPts
Celtic 2003/0498102432125
Celtic 2004/0598102451925
Celtic 2001/0298102121925
Celtic 2000/0198102281425
Celtic 2002/0398012231924
Celtic 2010/1198011971224
Celtic 2007/0897112972222
Celtic 2005/0697112491522
Celtic 2008/09971123111222
Celtic 2006/0797111551022
Celtic 2012/1396211971220
Celtic 2009/109621178920
Celtic 2011/1296031881018


Now only 5pts off the optimum pace, last season is put in perspective at the foot of the table, prior to our long winning run. How long ago that seems now, with all that has happened since. :lolhuns:

Bring on Barca :arrr:
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Our aim this year should be to win the league. After that I would like to overhaul a few significant markers from these previous 12 seasons. Not mega, world, never before done records but small personal club achievements.

2001/02 was probably our best recent season in the league. We attained 103 points, won 33 matches and only conceded 18 goals. None of the recent 12 seasons can surpass these totals . 2003/04 saw 105 goals scored.

If we win all our remaining matches we will amass 107 points and record 35 wins. At the moment we are averaging 2.11 goals and conceding 0.78 per game. At this rate we will score 80 goals and concede 29.

I would like to see an increase of chances converted and now that we have a more settled defence, fewer goals should be let in. Could this be a record breaking season all around despite the slow start?
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Crossraguel
4 Oct 2012, 12:06 AM
Given our record breaking performance last night I though I'd do a wee comparison for the group stage Champions League matches.

After Match 1
PWDLFAWDLFAGDPts
Celtic 2008/091010000000001
Celtic 2012/131010000000001
Celtic 2001/0210000000123-10
Celtic 2006/0710000000123-10
Celtic 2003/0410000000112-10
Celtic 2004/0510011300000-20
Celtic 2007/0810000000102-20


Bizarrely the catastrophic 0-0 draw at home to Aalborg in 2008 was statistically our best start to the competition before being equalled against Benfica; it's all relative.

After Match 2
PWDLFAWDLFAGDPts
Celtic 2012/132010001003214
Celtic 2003/042100200011213
Celtic 2001/022100100012303
Celtic 2006/072100100012303
Celtic 2007/0821002100102-13
Celtic 2008/0920100000101-11
Celtic 2004/0520011300113-40


Our first away victory puts us a point ahead of the pace in 2006/07 and 2007/08 when we ended up qualifying for the last 16.

After Match 3
PWDLFAWDLFAGDPts
Celtic 2006/073200400012336
Celtic 2001/023200200012316
Celtic 2012/132010001003214
Celtic 2003/043100200021303
Celtic 2007/0831002100203-23
Celtic 2008/0930100000204-41
Celtic 2004/0530011300216-70


Looking ahead to the next round of matches though, we'll do well to keep up with (or ahead of :pray: ) the performance of 2006/07 & 2001/02. Obviously that'll be after 2 away matches, so again the stats don't tell the whole story.

Either way, we're at least in our third best position after 3 matches, having played only 2 :rocker:
Did I miss match 3, or are you assuming we're going to gub Barca? :ponder: Even if we did we would be on 7 points, not 6, would we not?

:doh: Oops, sorry, read that wrong. Thought you had us at 6 points
Edited by kellybhoy, 23 Oct 2012, 03:29 PM.
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Champions League After Match 3
PWDLFAWDLFAGDPts
Celtic 2006/073200400012336
Celtic 2001/023200200012316
Celtic 2012/133010001014404
Celtic 2003/043100200021303
Celtic 2007/0831002100203-23
Celtic 2008/0930100000204-41
Celtic 2004/0530011300216-70


Heads held high tonight bhoys, obviously gutted but still by far our best after 2 away matches - don't get much harder than Moscow then Barcelona either :worthy:

Edited by Crossraguel, 23 Oct 2012, 11:31 PM.
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