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Celtic v Celtic; 2017/18 by comparison
Topic Started: 25 Aug 2012, 07:35 PM (229,031 Views)
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Yes, I was aware of that. So how many games is the overall LL record?
30, including European games.

33 including games at the end of the 65/66 season.
Thanks. I think it's fair to say then that that record will, in all likelihood, never be surpassed. That ought to be a consolation to the people who will sneer at the domestic run being overtaken.
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The point I was trying to make was that the Lions were unbeaten in all competitions, including the European Cup, from the start of the season until December 31. Even though our domestic run is remarkable, it is a little disengenuous imo to compare it to 1966 which was a truly incredible run of unbeaten matches in every game they played.
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25 Jan 2017, 12:27 AM
The point I was trying to make was that the Lions were unbeaten in all competitions, including the European Cup, from the start of the season until December 31. Even though our domestic run is remarkable, it is a little disengenuous imo to compare it to 1966 which was a truly incredible run of unbeaten matches in every game they played.
I see your point, however a record is a record and the books will only say as much. Equally the Lions record (the unbeaten run in all competitions) is safe and that surely is the greater and probably unimpeachable one.
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SPFL Premiership After Match 20
PWDLFAWDLFAGDPts
Celtic 2003/042010004249102135658
Celtic 2016/1720900264101028104058
Celtic 2001/022010002768112053655
Celtic 2013/142072016610102963354
Celtic 2000/0120100030763118142751
Celtic 2006/0720100020463118102451
Celtic 2002/03208103258122384250
Celtic 2004/052090122572125132950
Celtic 2008/09208112498112192750
Celtic 2005/062081123772127113248
Celtic 2011/122081123571217102547
Celtic 2015/162072125672123103246
Celtic 2010/11207312997111352846
Celtic 2014/15207211967121962645
Celtic 2007/082073028261323153443
Celtic 2009/102064021761321142141
Celtic 2012/13205221367222692440
Interesting quirk that the three seasons we really should have won the league but didn't we had the same points - 50 out of 60.


Also interesting that five or six times we were had less points at that stage but still went on to win the league.
Since MON came when we win the league we tend to piss all over the huns or whatever challenger has emerged in their place and on the occasions when the huns have won the league they've always scraped it by a narrow margin except the Mowbray season. We've tended to be fairly strong when we've lost the league.
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Celtic 2001/02 :potm: +183818205210152142876103Martin O'Neill
Celtic 2013/14 :potm: +29 M'well3816305010153152157799Neil Lennon
Celtic 2000/01 :potm: +15381710488152338186099Martin O'Neill
Celtic 2003/04 :potm: +173815226215163043108098Martin O'Neill
Celtic 2002/03 :angry: 0 (Huns GD)3818105612133342147297Martin O'Neill
Celtic 2011/12 :potm: +20381711416132443156393Neil Lennon
Celtic 2014/15 :potm: +17 Aber38152250814323496792Ronny Deila
Celtic 2010/11 :angry: -13815314910142334116292Neil Lennon
Celtic 2004/05 :angry: -13815044115152244205092Martin O'Neill
Celtic 2005/06 :potm: +17 Hearts3814414115143252225691Gordon Strachan
Celtic 2007/08 :potm: +3381441427141442195889Gordon Strachan
Celtic 2015/16 :potm: +15 Aber3814415512124338196286Ronny Deila
Celtic 2008/09 :angry: -43814414813106332204782Gordon Strachan
Celtic 2006/07 :potm: +12381622381595425192982Gordon Strachan
Celtic 2009/10 :angry: -63814414214112633263581Tony Mowbray/Neil Lennon
Celtic 2012/13 :potm: +16 M'well381522521495545216279Neil Lennon



Just to confirm what Poor Student was saying, we have won the league by big margins a part from 2007/08, where we were only 3 points ahead. Our biggest losing margin is by 6 points, 2009/10.
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25 Jan 2017, 01:45 PM
Just to confirm what Poor Student was saying, we have won the league by big margins a part from 2007/08, where we were only 3 points ahead. Our biggest losing margin is by 6 points, 2009/10 and 2010/11.
We lost the 2010/11 season by a single point. 93 points v 92.
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25 Jan 2017, 01:45 PM
Just to confirm what Poor Student was saying, we have won the league by big margins a part from 2007/08, where we were only 3 points ahead. Our biggest losing margin is by 6 points, 2009/10 and 2010/11.
We lost the 2010/11 season by a single point. 93 points v 92.
Ops, that's right, :doh:
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25 Jan 2017, 01:01 AM
Since MON came when we win the league we tend to piss all over the huns or whatever challenger has emerged in their place and on the occasions when the huns have won the league they've always scraped it by a narrow margin except the Mowbray season. We've tended to be fairly strong when we've lost the league.
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25 Jan 2017, 07:32 PM
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25 Jan 2017, 01:01 AM
Since MON came when we win the league we tend to piss all over the huns or whatever challenger has emerged in their place and on the occasions when the huns have won the league they've always scraped it by a narrow margin except the Mowbray season. We've tended to be fairly strong when we've lost the league.
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Think that's harsh on us. Except when Lennon took over from Mowbray we have competed for the title on the final day of the season every year we've lost it. Nothing to do with Rangers taking foot off the gas. We just push them all the way and usually slipped up ourselves to give them the chance to nick it.

I think they've frequently given up the ghost when it hasn't been going well for them
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PWDLFAWDLFAGDPts
Celtic 2003/0421100042410102445861
Celtic 2016/17211000274101028104161
Celtic 2001/022110002769112454058
Celtic 2013/142182019610102963657
Celtic 2000/0121110036763118143354
Celtic 2002/03219103458122384453
Celtic 2004/0521100124672125133053
Celtic 2006/0721101022663118102452
Celtic 2005/062181123782130133351
Celtic 2008/092182126118112192751
Celtic 2011/122191124571217102650
Celtic 2015/162172125682127113549
Celtic 2010/11217312998111653149
Celtic 2014/15218212367121963048
Celtic 2007/082183029261323153546
Celtic 2012/13216221467222692543
Celtic 2009/102164122961321142041
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30, including European games.

33 including games at the end of the 65/66 season.
Thanks. I think it's fair to say then that that record will, in all likelihood, never be surpassed. That ought to be a consolation to the people who will sneer at the domestic run being overtaken.
If we end up in the Uefa Cup after losing a Champions League qualifier on aways goals (1-1 at home, 0-0 away) we would probably have a chance of equaling that particular record.
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LOL I could imagine that being said by Toby!
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Just looked on the Celtic Wiki page for 1966-67 to look at the Lions unbeaten run we are attempting to beat on Sunday.

The season looks like it starts with a League Cup Section win away to Hearts and a 2-0 win. Our next defeat is not until Dundee Utd away on 31st December 1966, 3-2. By my counting, there is a run of 33 games unbeaten in there, of which only 4 are European games, meaning 29 domestically. I assume the 3 Glasgow Cup games are also now discounted, bringing us to the 26 figure we've equalled the other night.

I suppose the question I'm asking, is why the discounting of the Glasgow Cup games? Looks like a strong team was played in each round and the competition was taken seriously at that time? Or was it already on the wane by 1966?
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27 Jan 2017, 06:42 PM
Just looked on the Celtic Wiki page for 1966-67 to look at the Lions unbeaten run we are attempting to beat on Sunday.

The season looks like it starts with a League Cup Section win away to Hearts and a 2-0 win. Our next defeat is not until Dundee Utd away on 31st December 1966, 3-2. By my counting, there is a run of 33 games unbeaten in there, of which only 4 are European games, meaning 29 domestically. I assume the 3 Glasgow Cup games are also now discounted, bringing us to the 26 figure we've equalled the other night.

I suppose the question I'm asking, is why the discounting of the Glasgow Cup games? Looks like a strong team was played in each round and the competition was taken seriously at that time? Or was it already on the wane by 1966?
From wikipedia, reliable I'm sure:

The competition's status diminished after World War II, with European competition seeming more attractive and important. The competition was normally played early in the season, until 1960. After the demise of the Charity Cup, the fixtures would be put in any available space with the final being played at the end of the season. After 1971 the Glasgow Cup was not played until it was re-introduced for the 1974–75 season, but it was generally seen as unappealing, and was even left incomplete on occasion, otherwise the final was often held over until the beginning of the following season. In the event of a Celtic v Rangers final both would still usually put out full-strength first teams. This remained the case up to 1986 when a crowd of over 40,000 saw Rangers take the trophy with a 3–2 win over Scottish Champions Celtic, courtesy of an Ally McCoist hat-trick, to give manager Graeme Souness his first trophy days after taking charge. After that it essentially became a reserve team tournament.
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whats our longest unbeaten run in the league? is it 40 under mon?
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whats our longest unbeaten run in the league? is it 40 under mon?
No idea the number of games but it'll be from when we lost at Tynecastle near the end of 2002/2003 till the week after we won the league in 2003/2004.

It's probably just under 40.
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whats our longest unbeaten run in the league? is it 40 under mon?
No idea the number of games but it'll be from when we lost at Tynecastle near the end of 2002/2003 till the week after we won the league in 2003/2004.

It's probably just under 40.
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27 Jan 2017, 11:32 PM
whats our longest unbeaten run in the league? is it 40 under mon?
62 games under Willie Maley (November 1915 - April 1917) is the all time unbeaten league record :worthy:

MON achieved 38 games (April 2003 - April 2004).
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What's next in our sights; the 26 consecutive league wins? Today was 17, right? Long way to go there, I guess.
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Since MON came when we win the league we tend to piss all over the huns or whatever challenger has emerged in their place and on the occasions when the huns have won the league they've always scraped it by a narrow margin except the Mowbray season. We've tended to be fairly strong when we've lost the league.
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To me it underlines our complete and total dominance of the domestic scene 2001 when looked at in totality. I'd argue only once in the last 16 years have we clearly not been the best team in the country. We could and should have won in Seville, Black Sunday and Lennon 1st full season and I think Strachan threw away 4IAR. The huns won 11 out of 13 titles prior to MON but have only wrapped up the title before the last day once in the past 16 years.
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