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Pro youth football; How does it work?
Topic Started: 26 Apr 2012, 09:59 PM (7,009 Views)
drsmythe
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Could anyone help me here? My son is 10 and he is very likely going to be signing pro youth for an spl side soon. I however have my doubts about the whole system. He had previously been with Celtics academy at barrowfield, but was dropped without them even having the courtesy to tell us. It's my understanding that this kind of behaviour is quite common.

However my current concern is that my boy, who's a goalie, is not their first choice keeper (this was made clear to us tonight), and as such he would spend next season as second choice, never playing, and then being dumped at the end of the season. Obviously I don't want that for him. I am of course assuming that pro youth teams only have one team. Am I right about this?
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Heard some similar stories about the Hoops youngsters. My Son has recently been picked up by QPFC, but is only 8, so PY is a we bit away.

The weans need to play mate, let the Wee Man make the choice.

Good luck.
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i would contact the sfa at hampden..im sure that professional teams only have one team each at a certain age group..have you actually had a conversation with the team who have offered to sign your son? if it was my son i would get as much information from the sfa as i possibly could regarding scottish teams and their development of very young players..im sure you will come to the correct decision in the best interests of your wee boy :thumbsup:
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drsmythe
26 Apr 2012, 09:59 PM
Could anyone help me here? My son is 10 and he is very likely going to be signing pro youth for an spl side soon. I however have my doubts about the whole system. He had previously been with Celtics academy at barrowfield, but was dropped without them even having the courtesy to tell us. It's my understanding that this kind of behaviour is quite common.

However my current concern is that my boy, who's a goalie, is not their first choice keeper (this was made clear to us tonight), and as such he would spend next season as second choice, never playing, and then being dumped at the end of the season. Obviously I don't want that for him. I am of course assuming that pro youth teams only have one team. Am I right about this?
Players come and go with the pro youth teams till about under 13's level. Pro youth teams have many teams in different areas, IE Aberdeen, Dundee. Edinburgh and Glasgow.
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pro youth teams have only one team at each age level,on the plus side the coaching and facilities on offer to the kids is far better than they would receive outside of the pro youth set up,on the down side it can be quite ruthless on the kids who don't show the required development and there is no league as such only games to improve player development.
hard decision for you and your son , hope yous make the right one for him and the best of luck to the wee man.
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Youth football has been around forever but only in recent years has serious money been ploughed in to nurturing kids from a very early age. My lad turned 11 today and I have always been torn between him playing for a Pro club or letting him continue to develop with his mates in a carefree environment.

My lad was picked up by Man utd at the age of 4 but was released at 8 when the lads have to sign their first contract (registration) with the club and FA. After being released by United he was picked up by Preston North End but sadly for him was released again only last week - this is where it is hard as he is gutted. However, the thing about these clubs though is the training, regime, discipline, fitness and coaching - it is all fantastic and a wonderful experience for a young lad and, if this is the route you are happy for him to follow then he will also be in the system.....scouts already know about him, other clubs remember and names are passed about so another club might be calling. If you are not in the system you might, just might miss out in years to come.

But, as the old saying if you are good enough, you'll make it. The important thing is your lad is happy wherever he plays and it is not a chore to attend training miles away 3 times a week then play on a Sunday. At the end of the day the game is the teacher and thats where he will learn but good quality coaching free of charge is the carrot.

Could he not play for his pro club and local club.....some pro clubs allow this
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The point is he will develop and learn my nephew was in the same position with celtic and had gave up a chance to go to arsenal cos he wanted to be with the hoops it didn't work out due to the fact that they had a midget goalie who for some reason was never dropped
He left them after months of standing twiddling his thumbs on the sidelines ,another spl coach told him that once celtic let you go no other club tends to come in for you he went on to enjoy his football elsewhere but said he enjoyed the experience of it all and wouldn't swap it for the world
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Aidybhoy
26 Apr 2012, 11:28 PM
Youth football has been around forever but only in recent years has serious money been ploughed in to nurturing kids from a very early age. My lad turned 11 today and I have always been torn between him playing for a Pro club or letting him continue to develop with his mates in a carefree environment.

My lad was picked up by Man utd at the age of 4 but was released at 8 when the lads have to sign their first contract (registration) with the club and FA. After being released by United he was picked up by Preston North End but sadly for him was released again only last week - this is where it is hard as he is gutted. However, the thing about these clubs though is the training, regime, discipline, fitness and coaching - it is all fantastic and a wonderful experience for a young lad and, if this is the route you are happy for him to follow then he will also be in the system.....scouts already know about him, other clubs remember and names are passed about so another club might be calling. If you are not in the system you might, just might miss out in years to come.

But, as the old saying if you are good enough, you'll make it. The important thing is your lad is happy wherever he plays and it is not a chore to attend training miles away 3 times a week then play on a Sunday. At the end of the day the game is the teacher and thats where he will learn but good quality coaching free of charge is the carrot.

Could he not play for his pro club and local club.....some pro clubs allow this
Picked up at 4 , signing registration? Released at 8? Ridiculous. All for proper coaching but it should be association led, with clubs picking up players at 13 or so. Let the kids enjoy football.
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At the stage your son is at it is vital that he is playing games. If he signs pro youth then the SPL clubs, plus quite a few clubs from lower leagues, will insist that he cannot play any other football for school or boys club. If you can get them to allow your boy to play other football away from the pro youth stuff yet still receive the training from the pro club this would be the ideal situation. Ultimately it's about what's best for your son so if he enjoys playing school/boys club football then let him continue to do that, if he's good enough then other clubs will come in for him. No point in him signing and then not playing.
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Coached kids from 13 through to 18. Over the years, lots of the lads were cherry picked by senior clubs and had their heads turned, they thought they had "made it ". When they were inevitably dumped, they were destroyed.

10 years of age is way too young to be 2nd choice. Its not as if he can get trial games in different positions to see where he can develope.

Avoid. Let the lad play with local boys club where he can learn by playing.
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TK57
27 Apr 2012, 10:13 AM
Coached kids from 13 through to 18. Over the years, lots of the lads were cherry picked by senior clubs and had their heads turned, they thought they had "made it ". When they were inevitably dumped, they were destroyed.

10 years of age is way too young to be 2nd choice. Its not as if he can get trial games in different positions to see where he can develope.

Avoid. Let the lad play with local boys club where he can learn by playing.
I second this having also worked in Pro Youth for a couple of years.

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Watch out for the kid who claims all the boots and leaves the other players barefoot.

Should be easy enough to identify him - he'll be the one with the chauffeur waiting outside.

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some good points raised here!

The pro youth set up is far superior to any of the boys club set up's. I played PY with St Mirren for 2 years when I was 15- 17. The most positive aspect for me was that I was no longer having to deal with ''aw the Easterhoooos or Arden at the side of the park'!! The thing I found most difficult to comprehend was the lack of games in a SPYFA season. With my boys club we would play at least once, maybe twice a week but with St Mirren it was more like twice a month and there were almost no competitive games. The coaches said this was to take away pressure and allow us to develop but it was in fact counter productive.

If yer wee fella is good enough he will get his game time. Especially at that age group I think coaches are often willing to give two goalies a run out in games. Dundee United have one of the best reputations in the country, out with the SPL Livingston, Stenhousemuir and Ross County are all operating great systems to let little ones develop. The lad doesn't need to play with an SPL club at that age as long as he gets game time it will help his development but I would suggest that once you are part of the SPYFA network it would be beneficial to stay involved and get noticed.
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Contact clubs you think he could realistically get a game for and explain he has been scouted by the other team but you dont think he will develop as a 2nd choice.
Celtic scouted me when I was wee but explained to my folks Id pretty much be there just to see how I did, and if I developed I might then get a regular game, my dad spoke to some other clubs, said Id been watched by other teams but wanted me to be at a better level than a standard boys club but still get to play.

Ended up with a short time at St Mirren then Motherwell, effed my knee and discovered 5 a sides. Kind of wish Id just went to train with Celtic just to get a few games in the hoops. TBF at the time I was probably better than Brattbakk.
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The longer you are involved in the pY setup the more likely you are to be replaced......clubs continually look for better.
At your son's age it would be of much greater benefit to him to play regularly, plenty of very decent high level BC teams about and also a few excellent goalkeeping schools where he can attain specialist coaching.
I'd never accept playing second fiddle and little game time for a season. At 10 he has plenty of time to prove he is good enough to make the grade.
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The Wee man has been asked to sign PY this June, although the form remains inactive until his 10th B/day. I've asked to see the contract prior to signing. What are the pitfalls?

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I've reffed a few games involving pro youth teams. It does seem as if the pressure is off- the coaches, in general, seem to deliver well-considered advice during the game and not the traditional 'out!' and 'get intae him!'

To back up other posters though I do know of some boys who were a bit switched off by the experience. If you are good enough to be a pro youth player then you will undoubtedly have an appetite for playing games; of which there are not enough, at pro youth, in my opinion.
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In short, it doesn't.
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23 May 2013, 12:36 PM
The Wee man has been asked to sign PY this June, although the form remains inactive until his 10th B/day. I've asked to see the contract prior to signing. What are the pitfalls?

The forms are of questionable legality when the kids are that age, I don't think they are actually binding in any legal sense.

The real pitfall of playing pro youth is that they won't let you play or train with your boys club and can therefore potentially limit the amount of football your boy gets to play. My advice, though, is go for it.

People talking about pro-youth clubs releasing players are correct, but it's wrong to think in terms of your boy playing for a specific team. The chances are they will move around when they're young, either through getting dropped or getting picked up. The most important thing, though- and this is why I'd recommend taking the chance to go to a pro-youth team- is that it's far easier to get another pro youth team if you're already at one or have just left one. If you're playing boys club you need to wait for someone to notice you, I've seen excellent players go under the radar for months, even years, at boys club level.

When I talk to pro youth scouts, if I say 'kid X has just been with Celtic/Rangers/St Mirren' their initial reaction is to think that he's probably got something and they're far more willing to give him a chance. I had almost that exact conversation yesterday in fact. So take the chance and go to the pro youth team, if you don't like it, it's far easier to get another team from that position.

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Despite the reasonable(and clearly well informed) post from The Pin, I think you'd be mad to let him sign for a team when you've already been told he's not going to be first choice.

If he played outfield it might be different as he could get on as sub, get in when players are injured etc but not for a goalie.

He'd want to leave after a month of not playing.
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