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Old Celtic Images; Some which you think others haven't seen, PRE 1995
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To think they hooses sit on top of the 1st Celtic Park, sit oan the gravy wa and watch the game :clap:

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Your post got me thinking. I mentioned what you said to my wife, who was born and brought up in Palace st, and she said it was impossible for the original CP to have stood there as those houses were built during Victorian times (one of the buildings had the date 18?? on it).

So it got me thinking where was the first CP built. The Wiki states that it was originally on the north east corner of London rd and Springfield (Dalmarnock) rd but moved approx 500 m across the road when the landlord increased the rent.. I did a bit of digging but I couldn't find any reference to it. Then it hit me. If the ground was a football park then it makes sense to keep it going and invite another club to use it.

If I'm correct then the original ground would have become Strathclyde Juniors FC which went bust in the mid sixties. The photo below shows the two entrances off Springie rd and Silverdale st and you can make out the rough shape of the ground as it is today.



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Pleased to see you did a bit of Digging ALV (the more the merrier) @the CGS

Probably best if you had started with finding out exactly when the tenements of Palace Street and the others where put up, without really going into it there is stone wall evidence that the flats were not their in 1888- 1892, although there is no photo evidence of the 1st CP and it does not show up in the maps we do know the address was Dalmarnock Street (Springy Road).

If you are doing more digging forget about the Strathies and concentrate on Palace Street as i believe your wife might have once lived on top of the centre circle of the 1st Celtic Park :thumbsup:
I'm all for questioning and challenging all early history that is sometimes taken as fact but may not be beyond reproach. All of the history books repeat what has been said in earlier books and with many written years ago before the internet it's possible some things may be taken as fact when they may not be 100%.

In this case rite nuff there seems to be irrefutible chapter and verse that CP1 bounded the eastern wall of Janefield Cemetery which could only put it in one place.

There are still questions to be asked though as the area which contained CP1 is very small. There was a small terrace around 3 parts of the ground and a small stand at the eastern side which is well documented but one of the best things that happened in our early history was the landlord increasing the rent tenfold which forced us to look elsewhere as we had almost outgrown CP1 in our early years and certainly would have done so by the end of the 1890s given our success.

Moving to CP1 with the "build it and they will come" attitude is one of the main reasons we developed so rapidly into the biggest club in the land within our first decade ran by men who almost carte blanche had no experience in football matters.

The area of land around CP2 compared to CP1 allowed us to compete with Ibrox before the final Hampden was built in 1903 to host international matches which brought extra finance and encouraged us to improve CP2 to enable it to be used for international matches.

CP2 hosted the Scotland v Ireland matches for obvious reasons but the England matches were the big money spinner. When we hosted our first one in 1894 the crowd of 46,000 was almost doubnle any previous Scotland v England match anywhere.

The World Cycling Championship in 1897 also provided the catalyst for the club to spend big on ground improvements including enlarging the cycle track to bring it up to scratch. As we were spending more to host there games than we were being promised to take in this event gave those within the Committee to the reason they were loking for to push ahead with plans to take us onto a more financial footing becoming a limited company with a board of directors replacing the committee which had ran the club since 1887.

A wee aside...the club become a limited company on 4th March 1897. Exactly 97 years later to the very day we become a public limited company when the battle was over and the rebels had won.

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Well in SS! I've heard many stories about John Murphy down the years but that's the first photo I've seen. I think he was responsible for a number of Holyrood pupils getting through the Celtic Park door down the years - can anyone confirm?
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I can confirm that John Murphy was a PE Teacher at Holyrood. I was there from 1948 t0 1953. He used to organise a number of pupils in fifth year to sell programmes at Parkhead. It was a good way of making pocket money and also gave free entry to the match.

The programmes cost 3p (old money- just over 1p now). You would take as many as you thought you could sell and stand outside the ground in the run up to the match trying your damndest to sell as many as you could. There were also older men who had a concession from the club to sell the official programme so there was a bit of competition.

I can't remember exactly how it was worked out but it did provide a good lump of pocket money,enough to take us to the "pictures" in the city on an Saturday evening after the match.

Mention has been made of the half time scores. At the time I am talking about, the half time scores were displayed on a structure built out of scaffold poles and wood above the west end terraces, a bit like a pigeon loft. Two of us who had been allocated that "beat" for the day were tasked with putting up the half-time scores. They were done from a selection of numbers which were stored at the back of the hut with hooks on them which were dropped into place alongside an alphabetical grid. The programme had the teams that corresponded to the letters printed in it.

My Andy Warhol 15 minutes (more like 15 seconds!!) was one Saturday in the run up to the end of the season and Celtic and Rangers were neck and neck for the championship so there was quite keen interest (understatement). Can't remember who Rangers were playing but I dropped the "2" in against them (Rangers) and concealed the number for their opponents till the last second. There was groan that echoed round Parkhead before I dropped the "3" in. Got the biggest cheer ever.

Sorry about the anecdotal ramble. :getmecoat:
Anecdotal evidence from people who were there at the time is crucial to our understanding and in building up first hand evidence. That's why this post is so vital and is the kind of "spoken word" that MUST be documented before these voices go silent.

I'd love this site or even the likes of Celtic Underground or CGS which im on to make a giant effort to get the word out to older fans, certainly those over 80 to allow their first hand stories to be recorded for posterity so that they can be treasured for future generations rather than being lost.
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I'm certain that Mr Murphy was still at Holyrood when I left in 1969. I remember him as a bit gruff and rather a disciplinarian. Maybe his bark was worse than his bite. Wouldn't like to have tested that theory though. Am I right in saying that he had a pronounced limp?

Hoc Vince ! :thumbsup:
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I'm certain that Mr Murphy was still at Holyrood when I left in 1969. I remember him as a bit gruff and rather a disciplinarian. Maybe his bark was worse than his bite. Wouldn't like to have tested that theory though. Am I right in saying that he had a pronounced limp?

Hoc Vince ! :thumbsup:
Andy, He could quite well have been still there but, I would have thought, nearing retirement. As I remember him, he could appear a bit gruff but was really fine. Getting on the programme selling list was only a matter of asking him once you knew about it.


I can't honestly remember about him having a limp but he may well have had one. It seems a long time ago now but having said that it's beginning to get fresher in my memory than what happened yesterday. Wonder why that is. :( :)
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I'm all for questioning and challenging all early history that is sometimes taken as fact but may not be beyond reproach. All of the history books repeat what has been said in earlier books and with many written years ago before the internet it's possible some things may be taken as fact when they may not be 100%.

In this case rite nuff there seems to be irrefutible chapter and verse that CP1 bounded the eastern wall of Janefield Cemetery which could only put it in one place.


Could not agree more :thumbsup:
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Pleased to see you did a bit of Digging ALV (the more the merrier) @the CGS

Probably best if you had started with finding out exactly when the tenements of Palace Street and the others where put up, without really going into it there is stone wall evidence that the flats were not their in 1888- 1892, although there is no photo evidence of the 1st CP and it does not show up in the maps we do know the address was Dalmarnock Street (Springy Road).

If you are doing more digging forget about the Strathies and concentrate on Palace Street as i believe your wife might have once lived on top of the centre circle of the 1st Celtic Park :thumbsup:
I'm all for questioning and challenging all early history that is sometimes taken as fact but may not be beyond reproach. All of the history books repeat what has been said in earlier books and with many written years ago before the internet it's possible some things may be taken as fact when they may not be 100%.

In this case rite nuff there seems to be irrefutible chapter and verse that CP1 bounded the eastern wall of Janefield Cemetery which could only put it in one place.

There are still questions to be asked though as the area which contained CP1 is very small. There was a small terrace around 3 parts of the ground and a small stand at the eastern side which is well documented but one of the best things that happened in our early history was the landlord increasing the rent tenfold which forced us to look elsewhere as we had almost outgrown CP1 in our early years and certainly would have done so by the end of the 1890s given our success.

Moving to CP1 with the "build it and they will come" attitude is one of the main reasons we developed so rapidly into the biggest club in the land within our first decade ran by men who almost carte blanche had no experience in football matters.

The area of land around CP2 compared to CP1 allowed us to compete with Ibrox before the final Hampden was built in 1903 to host international matches which brought extra finance and encouraged us to improve CP2 to enable it to be used for international matches.

CP2 hosted the Scotland v Ireland matches for obvious reasons but the England matches were the big money spinner. When we hosted our first one in 1894 the crowd of 46,000 was almost doubnle any previous Scotland v England match anywhere.

The World Cycling Championship in 1897 also provided the catalyst for the club to spend big on ground improvements including enlarging the cycle track to bring it up to scratch. As we were spending more to host there games than we were being promised to take in this event gave those within the Committee to the reason they were loking for to push ahead with plans to take us onto a more financial footing becoming a limited company with a board of directors replacing the committee which had ran the club since 1887.

A wee aside...the club become a limited company on 4th March 1897. Exactly 97 years later to the very day we become a public limited company when the battle was over and the rebels had won.



Great thread this, interesting stuff. Ive always believed Celtic Park number 1 was built roughly where the Irn Bru factory is now. The map below from 1865 shows a spare plot of land at the bottom right of the Eastern Necropolis. Is this roughly where CP1 was built a couple of decades later?

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Yes think old Irn Bru factory and you wont be far wrong

green marks the spot :thumbsup:

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JMcK

I'm certain that Mr Murphy was still at Holyrood when I left in 1969. I remember him as a bit gruff and rather a disciplinarian. Maybe his bark was worse than his bite. Wouldn't like to have tested that theory though. Am I right in saying that he had a pronounced limp?

Hoc Vince ! :thumbsup:
Andy, He could quite well have been still there but, I would have thought, nearing retirement. As I remember him, he could appear a bit gruff but was really fine. Getting on the programme selling list was only a matter of asking him once you knew about it.


I can't honestly remember about him having a limp but he may well have had one. It seems a long time ago now but having said that it's beginning to get fresher in my memory than what happened yesterday. Wonder why that is. :( :)
It seems a long time ago now but having said that it's beginning to get fresher in my memory than what happened yesterday. Wonder why that is.


Don't worry JMcK, you're in good company. :lol:
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Yes think old Irn Bru factory and you wont be far wrong

green marks the spot :thumbsup:

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Cool, well the first two years of my existence were spent in Malcolm Street which I believe is where your green spot is-so I was raised on the old Celtic Park :rocker:
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Yes think old Irn Bru factory and you wont be far wrong

green marks the spot :thumbsup:

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That 1865 map is a great breakthrough.
Coupla observations....
The graveyard extends two and a half times bigger westwards than it is in that pic originally.
The exact area of CP2 is not described as a brickfield. Behind the Celtic End and to the west of the Superstore is.

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Sean and Neilly at Hampden, Im assuming this is when Sean was in charge when Big Jock was ill :ponder:
Looks like it's from a few years earlier - maybe 1969 4-0 cup final or a league cup win Did Sean win anything at Hampden when he stepped in?
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Nice new boots Bhoys!!!
i'm guessing stylo had a deal to have their boots in the team group photo


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All apart from Dalglish who was contracted to Puma at the time
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Sean and Neilly at Hampden, Im assuming this is when Sean was in charge when Big Jock was ill :ponder:
Looks like it's from a few years earlier - maybe 1969 4-0 cup final or a league cup win Did Sean win anything at Hampden when he stepped in?
Looks like the 60s ,is that Aurthur Montford above the guy with the microphone .
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Great thread this, interesting stuff. Ive always believed Celtic Park number 1 was built roughly where the Irn Bru factory is now. The map below from 1865 shows a spare plot of land at the bottom right of the Eastern Necropolis. Is this roughly where CP1 was built a couple of decades later?

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Cant be 1865 as the Coatbridge Railway wasn't opened until 1871, and the Switchback line
extension from London Road northwards opened in 1886.



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Sean and Neilly at Hampden, Im assuming this is when Sean was in charge when Big Jock was ill :ponder:
Looks like it's from a few years earlier - maybe 1969 4-0 cup final or a league cup win Did Sean win anything at Hampden when he stepped in?
Looks like the 60s ,is that Aurthur Montford above the guy with the microphone .
looks like Billy Gillfilan fae Croy to the left of the dug-out ,next to a celebratory can being opened ...... ? :lol:
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This was the entrance to Barr's on the Gallowgate in 1968, with the Old Black Bull on the left of the building:


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This is the Old Black Bull about two years ago, when they'd demolished the Barr's factory and started putting up the new housing. Gives an idea of the size of the land from behind the Black Bull (which has been there since before CP1) to the current Celtic Park, along the cemetery wall:


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And another shot from inside the Barr's entrance in 1968 giving a view of sorts of the old factory at that point, before the extension in the 1980s:


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Sean and Neilly at Hampden, Im assuming this is when Sean was in charge when Big Jock was ill :ponder:
Looks like it's from a few years earlier - maybe 1969 4-0 cup final or a league cup win Did Sean win anything at Hampden when he stepped in?
Looks like the 60s ,is that Aurthur Montford above the guy with the microphone .
Certainly looks like the bold " Greenock Morton fan " Montford.
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Sean and Neilly at Hampden, Im assuming this is when Sean was in charge when Big Jock was ill :ponder:
It is just me or can you spot the huns in the picture.
The uniforms don't look too happy.
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