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| Old Celtic Images; Some which you think others haven't seen, PRE 1995 | |
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| Topic Started: 19 Feb 2011, 10:55 AM (4,345,980 Views) | |
| CelticIreland | 29 Mar 2011, 09:20 AM Post #1201 |
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Formerly 'Let the People Sing'
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I'm all for questioning and challenging all early history that is sometimes taken as fact but may not be beyond reproach. All of the history books repeat what has been said in earlier books and with many written years ago before the internet it's possible some things may be taken as fact when they may not be 100%. In this case rite nuff there seems to be irrefutible chapter and verse that CP1 bounded the eastern wall of Janefield Cemetery which could only put it in one place. There are still questions to be asked though as the area which contained CP1 is very small. There was a small terrace around 3 parts of the ground and a small stand at the eastern side which is well documented but one of the best things that happened in our early history was the landlord increasing the rent tenfold which forced us to look elsewhere as we had almost outgrown CP1 in our early years and certainly would have done so by the end of the 1890s given our success. Moving to CP1 with the "build it and they will come" attitude is one of the main reasons we developed so rapidly into the biggest club in the land within our first decade ran by men who almost carte blanche had no experience in football matters. The area of land around CP2 compared to CP1 allowed us to compete with Ibrox before the final Hampden was built in 1903 to host international matches which brought extra finance and encouraged us to improve CP2 to enable it to be used for international matches. CP2 hosted the Scotland v Ireland matches for obvious reasons but the England matches were the big money spinner. When we hosted our first one in 1894 the crowd of 46,000 was almost doubnle any previous Scotland v England match anywhere. The World Cycling Championship in 1897 also provided the catalyst for the club to spend big on ground improvements including enlarging the cycle track to bring it up to scratch. As we were spending more to host there games than we were being promised to take in this event gave those within the Committee to the reason they were loking for to push ahead with plans to take us onto a more financial footing becoming a limited company with a board of directors replacing the committee which had ran the club since 1887. A wee aside...the club become a limited company on 4th March 1897. Exactly 97 years later to the very day we become a public limited company when the battle was over and the rebels had won. |
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| CelticIreland | 29 Mar 2011, 09:27 AM Post #1202 |
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Formerly 'Let the People Sing'
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Anecdotal evidence from people who were there at the time is crucial to our understanding and in building up first hand evidence. That's why this post is so vital and is the kind of "spoken word" that MUST be documented before these voices go silent. I'd love this site or even the likes of Celtic Underground or CGS which im on to make a giant effort to get the word out to older fans, certainly those over 80 to allow their first hand stories to be recorded for posterity so that they can be treasured for future generations rather than being lost. |
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| andy67 | 29 Mar 2011, 01:50 PM Post #1203 |
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First name on the team-sheet
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JMcK I'm certain that Mr Murphy was still at Holyrood when I left in 1969. I remember him as a bit gruff and rather a disciplinarian. Maybe his bark was worse than his bite. Wouldn't like to have tested that theory though. Am I right in saying that he had a pronounced limp? Hoc Vince !
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| JMcK | 29 Mar 2011, 02:53 PM Post #1204 |
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I'm new. Be gentle.
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Andy, He could quite well have been still there but, I would have thought, nearing retirement. As I remember him, he could appear a bit gruff but was really fine. Getting on the programme selling list was only a matter of asking him once you knew about it. I can't honestly remember about him having a limp but he may well have had one. It seems a long time ago now but having said that it's beginning to get fresher in my memory than what happened yesterday. Wonder why that is. |
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| four-leaf-clover | 29 Mar 2011, 03:50 PM Post #1205 |
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"Celtic!" he replied (with a smile)
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Could not agree more
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| paulmck1888 | 29 Mar 2011, 07:17 PM Post #1206 |
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Celtic first, Celtic last, Celtic overall
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Great thread this, interesting stuff. Ive always believed Celtic Park number 1 was built roughly where the Irn Bru factory is now. The map below from 1865 shows a spare plot of land at the bottom right of the Eastern Necropolis. Is this roughly where CP1 was built a couple of decades later? ![]() |
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| four-leaf-clover | 29 Mar 2011, 07:42 PM Post #1207 |
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"Celtic!" he replied (with a smile)
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Yes think old Irn Bru factory and you wont be far wrong green marks the spot
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| Burnley Celt | 29 Mar 2011, 07:53 PM Post #1208 |
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Old fud, taking things easy......
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It seems a long time ago now but having said that it's beginning to get fresher in my memory than what happened yesterday. Wonder why that is. Don't worry JMcK, you're in good company.
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| paulmck1888 | 29 Mar 2011, 08:28 PM Post #1209 |
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Celtic first, Celtic last, Celtic overall
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Cool, well the first two years of my existence were spent in Malcolm Street which I believe is where your green spot is-so I was raised on the old Celtic Park
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| CelticIreland | 29 Mar 2011, 08:38 PM Post #1210 |
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Formerly 'Let the People Sing'
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That 1865 map is a great breakthrough. Coupla observations.... The graveyard extends two and a half times bigger westwards than it is in that pic originally. The exact area of CP2 is not described as a brickfield. Behind the Celtic End and to the west of the Superstore is.
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| Mr Stein | 29 Mar 2011, 09:56 PM Post #1211 |
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Youth team player
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Looks like it's from a few years earlier - maybe 1969 4-0 cup final or a league cup win Did Sean win anything at Hampden when he stepped in? |
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| Mr Stein | 29 Mar 2011, 10:01 PM Post #1212 |
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Youth team player
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Nice moustache Harry! |
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| The Gorbals Urchin | 29 Mar 2011, 10:02 PM Post #1213 |
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Retired and now a BT Sports pundit
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Looks like the 60s ,is that Aurthur Montford above the guy with the microphone . |
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| junglejamesie | 29 Mar 2011, 10:13 PM Post #1214 |
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The grand destroyer of the world, and the greatest threat, is represented by U.S. imperialism
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Cant be 1865 as the Coatbridge Railway wasn't opened until 1871, and the Switchback line extension from London Road northwards opened in 1886. JJ |
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| Glasgow Road | 29 Mar 2011, 11:14 PM Post #1215 |
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| The moch | 29 Mar 2011, 11:22 PM Post #1216 |
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First-team captain
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looks like Billy Gillfilan fae Croy to the left of the dug-out ,next to a celebratory can being opened ...... ?
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| Glasgow Road | 29 Mar 2011, 11:46 PM Post #1217 |
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| Carfin Harp | 29 Mar 2011, 11:53 PM Post #1218 |
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First-team starter
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This was the entrance to Barr's on the Gallowgate in 1968, with the Old Black Bull on the left of the building: ![]() This is the Old Black Bull about two years ago, when they'd demolished the Barr's factory and started putting up the new housing. Gives an idea of the size of the land from behind the Black Bull (which has been there since before CP1) to the current Celtic Park, along the cemetery wall: ![]() And another shot from inside the Barr's entrance in 1968 giving a view of sorts of the old factory at that point, before the extension in the 1980s:
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| Lobey Dosser | 30 Mar 2011, 12:00 AM Post #1219 |
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Considering retirement
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Certainly looks like the bold " Greenock Morton fan " Montford. |
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| Yogi Bear | 30 Mar 2011, 12:13 AM Post #1220 |
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Beating the huns 3 times at Ibrox in 6 weeks
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It is just me or can you spot the huns in the picture. The uniforms don't look too happy. Edited by Yogi Bear, 30 Mar 2011, 12:14 AM.
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