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Old Celtic Images; Some which you think others haven't seen, PRE 1995
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Great pics GR. Where is this though?
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I always wondered what McGrory must have thought about some 'young guy' coming in to replace him and given a whole lot more power to do things his own way, that McGrory never got. Did he accept that Stein was going to be something special.

Also, I love to see a 'warts an all', but true Celtic Book all about its managers.
Why they were recruited, why they left, why they were sacked/replaced.
Also, their relationship with the board - were they changers/conformers - positive/negative things they did for the club and football in general.

Whilst it's easy to understand why managers like Mowbray/Macari were jettisoned - at 49 yrs old, I'm still unaware of the real reasons why King Billy left the first time (despite stuff in the press at the time talking about a hotel or tax or something like that).
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Sorry dp.
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I always wondered what McGrory must have thought about some 'young guy' coming in to replace him and given a whole lot more power to do things his own way, that McGrory never got. Did he accept that Stein was going to be something special.

Also, I love to see a 'warts an all', but true Celtic Book all about its managers.
Why they were recruited, why they left, why they were sacked/replaced.
Also, their relationship with the board - were they changers/conformers - positive/negative things they did for the club and football in general.

Whilst it's easy to understand why managers like Mowbray/Macari were jettisoned - at 49 yrs old, I'm still unaware of the real reasons why King Billy left the first time (despite stuff in the press at the time talking about a hotel or tax or something like that).
Why did Big Billy leave in 83?
Because he was criminally undervalued by an uncaring board led by an arrogant chairman.
At the time Billy had won more than Ferguson, McLean or Greig, but he was on the lowest wage of the 4, he was also in the process of having the young Charlie Nicholas pushed out the door so the board could get their hands on the transfer money.
He went to the board to ask for a pay rise and the board made their refusal public, they also revealed that they had loaned Billy money on top of his salary.
So he was under paid, publically humiliated and having his best players sold from underneath him.
In the circumstances his departure was depressing but no surprise.
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Paddy at Park Gardens :mitb:
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Going to take a guess at a 2-1 league cup section win.Sure Super was no.8 that day,a couple of late goals with Big Billy putting one past Ally hunter in the last minute to make it tight!!!
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I always wondered what McGrory must have thought about some 'young guy' coming in to replace him and given a whole lot more power to do things his own way, that McGrory never got. Did he accept that Stein was going to be something special.

Also, I love to see a 'warts an all', but true Celtic Book all about its managers.
Why they were recruited, why they left, why they were sacked/replaced.
Also, their relationship with the board - were they changers/conformers - positive/negative things they did for the club and football in general.

Whilst it's easy to understand why managers like Mowbray/Macari were jettisoned - at 49 yrs old, I'm still unaware of the real reasons why King Billy left the first time (despite stuff in the press at the time talking about a hotel or tax or something like that).
Why did Big Billy leave in 83?
Because he was criminally undervalued by an uncaring board led by an arrogant chairman.
At the time Billy had won more than Ferguson, McLean or Greig, but he was on the lowest wage of the 4, he was also in the process of having the young Charlie Nicholas pushed out the door so the board could get their hands on the transfer money.
He went to the board to ask for a pay rise and the board made their refusal public, they also revealed that they had loaned Billy money on top of his salary.
So he was under paid, publically humiliated and having his best players sold from underneath him.
In the circumstances his departure was depressing but no surprise.
Spot on. There was a personality clash between White and McNeill which went on since 1980 when big Billy burst Gerry McNee en route to hungary.

In summer of 1983 White refused McNeill a contract (no Celtic manager had a contract until Liam Brady) and then divulged details of a McNeill's financial situation to thepress. The big man was put in a terrible position and felt the need to resign and go south but his heart as never in it.

Not many people realise that White's actions that summer started the unrest against the built which built up over the next 10 years before Fergus took over in 1994.
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Cheers for the replies guys - I vaguely remember something in the press about some hotel venture (I'm not sure though).

Can just remember being absolutely gutted at the time.

As I said before - a true 'warts an all' book on Celtic Managers, the decision on their appointment/sacking/leaving, their relationship/non-relationship with the board, the changes they implemented and/or the restrictions they were under, the positive/negative impact they had on the club/board/fans/football in general - to me, that would be a fantastic read.
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Anyone know the story behind that photo?
I reckon that photo is from the 1974 League Cup Final against Hibs

6-3 to the good guys

I was near the front of the Mount Florida End that day and it was murder the amount of fighting going on during the game, mostly it seemed down to gang related stuff, although there might have been skirmishes with Hibs fans as well.

I was 14 at the time and it was a bit scary to say the least.
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Why did Big Billy leave in 83?
Because he was criminally undervalued by an uncaring board led by an arrogant chairman.
At the time Billy had won more than Ferguson, McLean or Greig, but he was on the lowest wage of the 4, he was also in the process of having the young Charlie Nicholas pushed out the door so the board could get their hands on the transfer money.
He went to the board to ask for a pay rise and the board made their refusal public, they also revealed that they had loaned Billy money on top of his salary.
So he was under paid, publically humiliated and having his best players sold from underneath him.
In the circumstances his departure was depressing but no surprise.
Spot on. There was a personality clash between White and McNeill which went on since 1980 when big Billy burst Gerry McNee en route to hungary.

In summer of 1983 White refused McNeill a contract (no Celtic manager had a contract until Liam Brady) and then divulged details of a McNeill's financial situation to thepress. The big man was put in a terrible position and felt the need to resign and go south but his heart as never in it.

Not many people realise that White's actions that summer started the unrest against the built which built up over the next 10 years before Fergus took over in 1994.
Stein didn't get on with White either and it as no coincidence that Celtic downward spiral started after Robert Kellydied and white took over.Robert Kelly was a disaster for Celtic in the 40's up to when Stein took over however he did have Celtic at heart and when the Lisbon Lions came around Robert Kelly knocked back big bids for the lions.Desmond White couldn't sell our top player quick enough.Billy McNeil left in '83,as you say because he was undervalued and earned less than Ferguson,McLean,and Greig and at the time Billy had won more leagues than the other 3 managers put together.
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21 Feb 2016, 09:50 PM
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Anyone know the story behind that photo?
I reckon that photo is from the 1974 League Cup Final against Hibs

6-3 to the good guys

I was near the front of the Mount Florida End that day and it was murder the amount of fighting going on during the game, mostly it seemed down to gang related stuff, although there might have been skirmishes with Hibs fans as well.

I was 14 at the time and it was a bit scary to say the least.
There was trouble up the huns end between hibs and our fans (no Segregation) but not on a grand scale like it was at the Scottish cup final of that year. I would go with SCF :thumbsup:

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I reckon that photo is from the 1974 League Cup Final against Hibs

6-3 to the good guys

I was near the front of the Mount Florida End that day and it was murder the amount of fighting going on during the game, mostly it seemed down to gang related stuff, although there might have been skirmishes with Hibs fans as well.

I was 14 at the time and it was a bit scary to say the least.
There was trouble up the huns end between hibs and our fans (no Segregation) but not on a grand scale like it was at the Scottish cup final of that year. I would go with SCF :thumbsup:

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I was at the SCF of 1974 against Dundee Utd and don't remember any touble at the game.

That's not saying there wasn't any right enough, the mind can play tricks.

I do have memories of crowd disturbances at the 1972 Cup Final vs Hibs, at both ends of Hampden.

Was a common occurrence in those days, and in many instances the trouble was down to gang vendettas being played out on the terracings.

God, I feel old :(
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