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Old Celtic Images; Some which you think others haven't seen, PRE 1995
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22 Feb 2015, 10:32 PM
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Very very good question.
The new roof went up in 1966 and its first appearance was at the 4-1 game v Man Utd. What you are seeing in May 1967 at the Big Cup homecoming is the unfinished concrete terracing of the Jungle a year after the new roof went up. The terracing was built up higher than the original ash and wooden terracing and it also went 5 yards further towards the pitch.
Entrances to the Jungle were from the Celtic End and it was also possible to walk right round to the Celtic End from the Rangers end via the Jungle.
Right! So that begins to make sense now. What we're seeing in the Bobby Murdoch picture that Tavern Bus posted subsequently was the finished terrace. Around 1968-69 I'm assuming. I've been looking or a few historical references online and the terrace from 1967 and preceding was about half the size of the eventual one with no exits. As you say, the sole access would have been from the Celtic end. So basically on the picture posted from the early 1990s (judging by the sponsorship on the facia of the rangers end) shows that the old terrace reached up only as far as the foot of the entrances, which were yet to be constructed? That makes a lot of sense now, but what we are in effect seeing in the picture I was querying was a false wall at the back of the jungle until the top half and exits were completed? That makes far more sense. it means that originally the jungle or cowshed as it was, didn't go all the way back onto the road at Janefield street, whereas anyone familiar with walking up and down it in the 70s-90s would recall that the back of the jungle baked right onto the road, with not even room for a pavement. Thanks for this. It has cleared up a lot of stuff in my head. Naw.
The Bobby Murdoch pic must be from the 66/67 season when the new roof was up but the new terracing and "exits" nos 6, 7, 8 etc were not up.
"what we are in effect seeing in the picture I was querying was a false wall at the back of the jungle until the top half and exits were completed?" this bit isnae right either. That wasn't a false wall. that was the back wall with the higher terracing. What we are seeing in the Big Cup Jungle pic is the Jungle with a new roof the previous year and in the process of getting concrete terracing with the exits which led to the new toilets.
The original Cowshed and also Jungle DID go back to Janefield St.
Confused? You will be now sur!!
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22 Feb 2015, 10:33 PM
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22 Feb 2015, 10:36 PM
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- 22 Feb 2015, 09:26 PM
definately changes in the height of the wall on the LHS next to the jungle here... late 80's?  I'm sure this was August 1992 v Dundee in the LC. IIRC, we won 1-0, Payton scored.
Leighton was in goal for Dundee, yet strangely wore a Celtic GK top.
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22 Feb 2015, 10:39 PM
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- 22 Feb 2015, 09:35 PM
 Classic pic from the period. Pat Stanton
Tom McAdam for the Arabs?
Correct Big Tam was a striker at Dumbarton and United.
Remember being at Ibrox for OF game and he made his debut (think we'd signed him on a Friday night) but he really came into his own as a centre back and loved a goal against Rangers
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22 Feb 2015, 10:45 PM
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definately changes in the height of the wall on the LHS next to the jungle here... late 80's? 
I'm sure this was August 1992 v Dundee in the LC. IIRC, we won 1-0, Payton scored. Leighton was in goal for Dundee, yet strangely wore a Celtic GK top. The adverts on the top of the rangers end you can see and Concept Group on the front of the Celtic end roof were 1990 ish i think.
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22 Feb 2015, 10:59 PM
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Very very good question.
The new roof went up in 1966 and its first appearance was at the 4-1 game v Man Utd. What you are seeing in May 1967 at the Big Cup homecoming is the unfinished concrete terracing of the Jungle a year after the new roof went up. The terracing was built up higher than the original ash and wooden terracing and it also went 5 yards further towards the pitch.
Entrances to the Jungle were from the Celtic End and it was also possible to walk right round to the Celtic End from the Rangers end via the Jungle.
Right! So that begins to make sense now. What we're seeing in the Bobby Murdoch picture that Tavern Bus posted subsequently was the finished terrace. Around 1968-69 I'm assuming. I've been looking or a few historical references online and the terrace from 1967 and preceding was about half the size of the eventual one with no exits. As you say, the sole access would have been from the Celtic end. So basically on the picture posted from the early 1990s (judging by the sponsorship on the facia of the rangers end) shows that the old terrace reached up only as far as the foot of the entrances, which were yet to be constructed? That makes a lot of sense now, but what we are in effect seeing in the picture I was querying was a false wall at the back of the jungle until the top half and exits were completed? That makes far more sense. it means that originally the jungle or cowshed as it was, didn't go all the way back onto the road at Janefield street, whereas anyone familiar with walking up and down it in the 70s-90s would recall that the back of the jungle baked right onto the road, with not even room for a pavement. Thanks for this. It has cleared up a lot of stuff in my head.
Naw. The Bobby Murdoch pic must be from the 66/67 season when the new roof was up but the new terracing and "exits" nos 6, 7, 8 etc were not up. "what we are in effect seeing in the picture I was querying was a false wall at the back of the jungle until the top half and exits were completed?" this bit isnae right either. That wasn't a false wall. that was the back wall with the higher terracing. What we are seeing in the Big Cup Jungle pic is the Jungle with a new roof the previous year and in the process of getting concrete terracing with the exits which led to the new toilets. The original Cowshed and also Jungle DID go back to Janefield St. Confused? You will be now sur!! totally confused!
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23 Feb 2015, 12:05 AM
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What's the main points of confusion and i'll try and explain it better sur?
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23 Feb 2015, 12:10 AM
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Which ground?
Andy McAtee, second from right, first row??
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23 Feb 2015, 12:13 AM
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Hampden?
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23 Feb 2015, 12:39 AM
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What's the main points of confusion and i'll try and explain it better sur? I'm not even sure I know where to start!
I'll see if it makes more sense to me broken down a bit...
OK, first thing is that the terraces look really shallow, but the wall is still in the same place at the back of the terrace...
Meaning that I'm confused as to how they could extend it any further back...
The only thing I can think of is that they raised the terrace about 6 feet or so in height, so that the back wall was shorter in the process...
And extended as you said, by abut 5-6 yards at the front of the running track to maintain the natural gradient of the new slope...
But in that case, in the European parade picture, it must have been before any of the concreting was done, and all you had was the new roof and back wall, and before the terrace was extended out the front...
And what did they do to put the exits in and construct the rivers of fish alleyway beneath the jungle?
Just burrow under the old terracing?
I'm sorry. I'm befuddled by this, and I have Aspergers, so I'll obsess about it until it is clear in my mind.
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23 Feb 2015, 01:04 AM
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 Which ground? Andy McAtee, second from right, first row?? This one's been done before. It was in Celtic v Oldco in Inverness for a charity match. McAtee in front row, correct sur.
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23 Feb 2015, 01:06 AM
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 Hampden?
Celtic 1-0 Ajax - European Cup, quarter-final 1970-71, 2nd Leg (agg. 1-3)
Work was being carried out on the main stand at Celtic Park, so it was played at Hampden.
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23 Feb 2015, 01:20 AM
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What's the main points of confusion and i'll try and explain it better sur?
I'm not even sure I know where to start! I'll see if it makes more sense to me broken down a bit... OK, first thing is that the terraces look really shallow, but the wall is still in the same place at the back of the terrace... Meaning that I'm confused as to how they could extend it any further back...IT WASN'T EXTENDED FURTHER BACK. THE MURDOCH PIC IS FROM A SHALLOW ANGLE MAKING THE JUNGLE LOOK SMALLER THAN IT WAS. The only thing I can think of is that they raised the terrace about 6 feet or so in height, so that the back wall was shorter in the process...CORRECT. DONNO HOW MUCH THEY RAISED IT BUT THE PROCESS OF CONCRETING THE TERRACING MEANT LITERALLY LAYING CONCRETE STEPS ON TOP OF THE GROUND THAT WAS ALREADY THERE. THE COMPLICATION WAS THAT AS WELL AS CONCRETING THE TERRACING, THEY WANTED TO INCREASE THE ANGLE OF THE GRADIENT TO GIVE A BETTER VIEW. THEY ALSO WANTED THOSE AT THE FRONT TO HAVE A RAISED VIEW IN LINE WITH THE CELTIC END. (IN THE MURDOCH PIC YOU SEE THOSE AT THE FRONT ARE LOWER DOWN THAN THOSE IN THE CELTIC END. THIS IS BECAUSE THE CELTIC END WAS CONCRETED FIRST, THEN THE JUNGLE, THEN THE RANGERS END, (AGAIN A YEAR AFTER THE ROOF WENT UP). And extended as you said, by abut 5-6 yards at the front of the running track to maintain the natural gradient of the new slope...THIS WAS THE PLAN BUT I CAN'T SEE ANY EVIDENCE FROM ARIEL VIEWS THAT THE FRONT WAS EXTENDED. I THINK WHAT THEY MEAN IS THE TERRACING INSIDE THE PERIMETER WALL WAS EXTENDED, NEARER TO THE PERIMETER. But in that case, in the European parade picture, it must have been before any of the concreting was done, and all you had was the new roof and back wall, and before the terrace was extended out the front...CORRECT. THE JUNGLE WAS USED IN THE 66/67 SEASON WITH A NEW ROOF BUT THE SAME OLD TERRACING. And what did they do to put the exits in and construct the rivers of fish alleyway beneath the jungle? CLARIFICATION NEEDED ON THE WORD EXITS. I DIDN'T MISS A CELTIC GAME IN THE JUNGLE FROM AROUND 1978 TO 1994, I NEVER WENT ANYWHERE ELSE APART FROM MIBBES HALF A DOZEN GAMES AT THE VERY VERY MAXIMUM. FROM MEMORY THE "EXITS" NUMBERED 6 TO 9 TOOK YOU TO THE TOILETS. THE WALKWAY IN FRONT OF THE EXITS WERE THE ACCESS INTO THE JUNGLE. Just burrow under the old terracing? HOW THESE WERE CREATED I DONT KNOW BUT RAISING THE HEIGHT OF THE TERRACING AT THE BACK WOULD HAVE CREATED SPACE UNDERNEATH, ADDED TO THE ORIGINAL TERRACING THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FLATENED TO PROVID SPACE FOR TOILETS WITH ONE BIG LONG TROUGH. AGAIN FROM MEMORY THE ONLY OTHER UPGRADE IE A "PIE STALL" I WAS EVER AWARE OF WAS AT THE TOP LEFT CORNER OF THE JUNGLE NEAREST THE CELTIC END BUT I NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE EVER TRYING TO GET THERE, NEVER MIND RETURN ALIVE WITH A PIE AND A BOVRIL INTACT. I'm sorry. I'm befuddled by this, and I have Aspergers, so I'll obsess about it until it is clear in my mind. I've stuck my thoughts in caps boss just so its easier to make out.
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23 Feb 2015, 03:20 PM
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23 Feb 2015, 03:58 PM
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What's the main points of confusion and i'll try and explain it better sur?
I'm not even sure I know where to start! I'll see if it makes more sense to me broken down a bit... OK, first thing is that the terraces look really shallow, but the wall is still in the same place at the back of the terrace... Meaning that I'm confused as to how they could extend it any further back...IT WASN'T EXTENDED FURTHER BACK. THE MURDOCH PIC IS FROM A SHALLOW ANGLE MAKING THE JUNGLE LOOK SMALLER THAN IT WAS. The only thing I can think of is that they raised the terrace about 6 feet or so in height, so that the back wall was shorter in the process...CORRECT. DONNO HOW MUCH THEY RAISED IT BUT THE PROCESS OF CONCRETING THE TERRACING MEANT LITERALLY LAYING CONCRETE STEPS ON TOP OF THE GROUND THAT WAS ALREADY THERE. THE COMPLICATION WAS THAT AS WELL AS CONCRETING THE TERRACING, THEY WANTED TO INCREASE THE ANGLE OF THE GRADIENT TO GIVE A BETTER VIEW. THEY ALSO WANTED THOSE AT THE FRONT TO HAVE A RAISED VIEW IN LINE WITH THE CELTIC END. (IN THE MURDOCH PIC YOU SEE THOSE AT THE FRONT ARE LOWER DOWN THAN THOSE IN THE CELTIC END. THIS IS BECAUSE THE CELTIC END WAS CONCRETED FIRST, THEN THE JUNGLE, THEN THE RANGERS END, (AGAIN A YEAR AFTER THE ROOF WENT UP). And extended as you said, by abut 5-6 yards at the front of the running track to maintain the natural gradient of the new slope...THIS WAS THE PLAN BUT I CAN'T SEE ANY EVIDENCE FROM ARIEL VIEWS THAT THE FRONT WAS EXTENDED. I THINK WHAT THEY MEAN IS THE TERRACING INSIDE THE PERIMETER WALL WAS EXTENDED, NEARER TO THE PERIMETER. But in that case, in the European parade picture, it must have been before any of the concreting was done, and all you had was the new roof and back wall, and before the terrace was extended out the front...CORRECT. THE JUNGLE WAS USED IN THE 66/67 SEASON WITH A NEW ROOF BUT THE SAME OLD TERRACING. And what did they do to put the exits in and construct the rivers of fish alleyway beneath the jungle? CLARIFICATION NEEDED ON THE WORD EXITS. I DIDN'T MISS A CELTIC GAME IN THE JUNGLE FROM AROUND 1978 TO 1994, I NEVER WENT ANYWHERE ELSE APART FROM MIBBES HALF A DOZEN GAMES AT THE VERY VERY MAXIMUM. FROM MEMORY THE "EXITS" NUMBERED 6 TO 9 TOOK YOU TO THE TOILETS. THE WALKWAY IN FRONT OF THE EXITS WERE THE ACCESS INTO THE JUNGLE. Just burrow under the old terracing? HOW THESE WERE CREATED I DONT KNOW BUT RAISING THE HEIGHT OF THE TERRACING AT THE BACK WOULD HAVE CREATED SPACE UNDERNEATH, ADDED TO THE ORIGINAL TERRACING THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FLATENED TO PROVID SPACE FOR TOILETS WITH ONE BIG LONG TROUGH. AGAIN FROM MEMORY THE ONLY OTHER UPGRADE IE A "PIE STALL" I WAS EVER AWARE OF WAS AT THE TOP LEFT CORNER OF THE JUNGLE NEAREST THE CELTIC END BUT I NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE EVER TRYING TO GET THERE, NEVER MIND RETURN ALIVE WITH A PIE AND A BOVRIL INTACT. I'm sorry. I'm befuddled by this, and I have Aspergers, so I'll obsess about it until it is clear in my mind.
I've stuck my thoughts in caps boss just so its easier to make out. There was a pie stall in the very middle of the Jungle under exit 8 or 9 My brother knew some of the family that helped run it and was occasionally allowed in to games he couldn't get a ticket for by one of them briefly - very very briefly opening a door that exited on to Janefield St Cue two hundred others without ticket making a bee line for the door This was in the days before the police stopped people getting near the turnstiles without tickets and Janefield St being a popular route for fans going both ways along it to either end!
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23 Feb 2015, 04:22 PM
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I've stuck my thoughts in caps boss just so its easier to make out.
There was a pie stall in the very middle of the Jungle under exit 8 or 9 My brother knew some of the family that helped run it and was occasionally allowed in to games he couldn't get a ticket for by one of them briefly - very very briefly opening a door that exited on to Janefield St Cue two hundred others without ticket making a bee line for the door This was in the days before the police stopped people getting near the turnstiles without tickets and Janefield St being a popular route for fans going both ways along it to either end! Although I mostly went to the jungle in the seventies and eighties I didn't venture down to the toilets much but I remember once going down and a man was selling ham or cheese rolls from a cardboard box which must have been sodden through with piss since it was lying on the ground.He wouldn't have needed to salt the rolls.
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Just came on to post this - it's an absolute topper!
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Those 2 are brilliant GR ... Love an old Celtic photo I've never seen before .
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