Over Rated EPL XI

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Over Rated EPL XI; A follow up to 'Under Rated' thread . .
Topic Started: 24 Nov 2009, 01:48 AM (3,854 Views)
cuibono	26 Nov 2009, 04:00 PM Post #141
So Far Up The Equality Tree Posts: 2,514 Group: Snr. Member Member #2,878 Joined: 24 January 2006	I could make an all ManUre one foster Neville Ferdinand Evans (wee Brazilian baw bag) nani carrick scholes giggs berbatov owen bit of licence used there, some of those players are amazing on their day but others are just over hyped and useless, giggs and scholes are past it and strolling around on former glory, neville was always useless, carricks not worth half the money, berbatov only shows up when he fancies it, Owen's hamstrings are made of crepe paper and he doesn't score enough, and the rest don't need explianation Tin had on!



idyllwild	26 Nov 2009, 04:16 PM Post #142
2000 man Posts: 20,963 Group: Senior Member Member #3,097 Joined: 16 February 2006	cuibono 26 Nov 2009, 04:00 PM neville was always useless Take the tin hat off and hit yourself on the head with it. Repeatedly.



srb	26 Nov 2009, 05:10 PM Post #143
Occasional Substitute Posts: 312 Group: Members Member #8,242 Joined: 14 May 2007	beer_goggler1888 24 Nov 2009, 03:06 AM You could fill 20 over rated team 11's here , its the EPL after all. correct, although it is the greatest league in the world according to the broadcasting company



idyllwild	26 Nov 2009, 05:12 PM Post #144
2000 man Posts: 20,963 Group: Senior Member Member #3,097 Joined: 16 February 2006	srb 26 Nov 2009, 05:10 PM beer_goggler1888 24 Nov 2009, 03:06 AM You could fill 20 over rated team 11's here , its the EPL after all. correct, although it is the greatest league in the world according to the broadcasting company BINGO!!!



Arthur Dent	26 Nov 2009, 09:12 PM Post #145
Don't Panic!! Posts: 292 Group: Members Member #9,599 Joined: 22 July 2007	sheldon7 26 Nov 2009, 03:52 PM Arthur Dent 25 Nov 2009, 09:40 PM Quinzobhoy 25 Nov 2009, 02:24 PM Quoting limited to 3 levels deep Sorry but Given is unproven at the highest levels: Europe, international tournaments, top end of the Premiership. Every team he has played for have shipped loads of goals, he doesn't come off his line for crosses and doesn't command his defence ala Schmeichel. On his record thus far he doesn't deserve to be considered one of the greatest in the world and is therefore over rated Newcastle challenged for the title a few times when he was there, and City are challenging for a Top 4 place just now. Newcastle's challenge fell away because of injuries to the strikers, not cos Given was chucking the ball in his own net. It's fair to say that that's the, 'top end of the Premiership,' part of your argument dealt with. He has had three or four Champions League campaigns, and Newcastle reached the latter stages of the UEFA Cup on one occasion, bowing out to Drogba's Marseilles. So he's fairly, 'proven,' in Europe. He played at the 2002 World Cup, where Ireland went out in the Last 16 to Spain on penalties. He has over 100 caps. I don't know if you want him to have seen more international competition than that. And I'm not Irish, but I can only think of three more consistent EPL goalkeepers in the last decade: VDS, Cech, Reina. As he meets all your qualifying criteria, is easily one of the Top 5 performers in his position in one of the top leagues in the world, and is at an age where he may mature further, do you have any other criticisms of him? So in summary: 3 top 4 finishes 2 CL campaigns 1 UEFA Cup campaign 1 World Cup finals appearance Thats it? In 12 seasons? Thats what puts him up there with Casillas and Buffon? Really? If you think what he has done in his career so far puts him in the Casillas/Buffon category then fair enough, i'm not gonna waste any more time arguing with you. And I actually agree that he has been one of the most consistent keepers in the EPL and is certainly in the Top 5 in that league, but i think that it shows him to be very good, just not one of the best in the world



Kris	26 Nov 2009, 10:30 PM Post #146
Considering retirement Posts: 7,375 Group: Snr. Member Member #1,366 Joined: 25 June 2005	cuibono 26 Nov 2009, 04:00 PM I could make an all ManUre one foster Neville Ferdinand Evans (wee Brazilian baw bag) nani carrick scholes giggs berbatov owen bit of licence used there, some of those players are amazing on their day but others are just over hyped and useless, giggs and scholes are past it and strolling around on former glory, neville was always useless, carricks not worth half the money, berbatov only shows up when he fancies it, Owen's hamstrings are made of crepe paper and he doesn't score enough, and the rest don't need explianation Tin had on! S'fine. Lots of us on here can't stand them. So, even when the facts are largely glossed over it's ok



sheldon7	27 Nov 2009, 01:19 AM Post #147
First-team starter Posts: 749 Group: Members Member #24,349 Joined: 28 August 2009 Favourite all-time player Henrik Larsson	Arthur Dent 26 Nov 2009, 09:12 PM sheldon7 26 Nov 2009, 03:52 PM Arthur Dent 25 Nov 2009, 09:40 PM Quoting limited to 3 levels deepthus far he doesn't deserve to be considered one of the greatest in the world and is therefore over rated Newcastle challenged for the title a few times when he was there, and City are challenging for a Top 4 place just now. Newcastle's challenge fell away because of injuries to the strikers, not cos Given was chucking the ball in his own net. It's fair to say that that's the, 'top end of the Premiership,' part of your argument dealt with. He has had three or four Champions League campaigns, and Newcastle reached the latter stages of the UEFA Cup on one occasion, bowing out to Drogba's Marseilles. So he's fairly, 'proven,' in Europe. He played at the 2002 World Cup, where Ireland went out in the Last 16 to Spain on penalties. He has over 100 caps. I don't know if you want him to have seen more international competition than that. And I'm not Irish, but I can only think of three more consistent EPL goalkeepers in the last decade: VDS, Cech, Reina. As he meets all your qualifying criteria, is easily one of the Top 5 performers in his position in one of the top leagues in the world, and is at an age where he may mature further, do you have any other criticisms of him? So in summary: 3 top 4 finishes 2 CL campaigns 1 UEFA Cup campaign 1 World Cup finals appearance Thats it? In 12 seasons? Thats what puts him up there with Casillas and Buffon? Really? If you think what he has done in his career so far puts him in the Casillas/Buffon category then fair enough, i'm not gonna waste any more time arguing with you. And I actually agree that he has been one of the most consistent keepers in the EPL and is certainly in the Top 5 in that league, but i think that it shows him to be very good, just not one of the best in the world I didn't realise we were limiting World Class status to just two individuals, indeed I don't even recall labelling him as world class, nor did I compare him to Buffon or Casillas. My main problem was with your claim that he is unproven; unsuccessful, certainly But I genuinely don't believe there are a great many goalkeepers in the world better than him, mainly because there aren't a great many decent goalkeepers.



Chico88	28 Nov 2009, 01:53 AM Post #148
First team training Posts: 206 Group: Members Member #19,454 Joined: 20 May 2008	cuibono 26 Nov 2009, 04:00 PM I could make an all ManUre one foster Neville Ferdinand Evans (wee Brazilian baw bag) nani carrick scholes giggs berbatov owen bit of licence used there, some of those players are amazing on their day but others are just over hyped and useless, giggs and scholes are past it and strolling around on former glory, neville was always useless, carricks not worth half the money, berbatov only shows up when he fancies it, Owen's hamstrings are made of crepe paper and he doesn't score enough, and the rest don't need explianation Tin had on! FA Premier League: 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2007, 2008, 2009 UEFA Champions League: 1999, 2008 Intercontinental Cup: 1999 FA Cup: 1994, 1996, 1999, 2004 League Cup: 1992, 2006, 2009 UEFA Super Cup: 1991 FIFA Club World Cup: 2008 Ryan Giggs over rated!!!!



murphio	28 Nov 2009, 03:23 AM Post #149
Older than dirt Posts: 29,733 Group: Snr. Member Member #127 Joined: 2 September 2004	Arthur Dent 26 Nov 2009, 09:12 PM So in summary: 3 top 4 finishes 2 CL campaigns 1 UEFA Cup campaign 1 World Cup finals appearance Thats it? In 12 seasons? Thats what puts him up there with Casillas and Buffon? Really? If you think what he has done in his career so far puts him in the Casillas/Buffon category then fair enough, i'm not gonna waste any more time arguing with you. And I actually agree that he has been one of the most consistent keepers in the EPL and is certainly in the Top 5 in that league, but i think that it shows him to be very good, just not one of the best in the world How proven was Peter Shilton? Or Pat Jennings? Sorry - bet yer talkin wet.



remy mcswain	28 Nov 2009, 10:57 AM Post #150
From invisibility to dominance Posts: 28,805 Group: Snr. Member Member #74 Joined: 1 September 2004 Favourite all-time player Celticsean	Chico88 28 Nov 2009, 01:53 AM cuibono 26 Nov 2009, 04:00 PM I could make an all ManUre one foster Neville Ferdinand Evans (wee Brazilian baw bag) nani carrick scholes giggs berbatov owen bit of licence used there, some of those players are amazing on their day but others are just over hyped and useless, giggs and scholes are past it and strolling around on former glory, neville was always useless, carricks not worth half the money, berbatov only shows up when he fancies it, Owen's hamstrings are made of crepe paper and he doesn't score enough, and the rest don't need explianation Tin had on! FA Premier League: 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2007, 2008, 2009 UEFA Champions League: 1999, 2008 Intercontinental Cup: 1999 FA Cup: 1994, 1996, 1999, 2004 League Cup: 1992, 2006, 2009 UEFA Super Cup: 1991 FIFA Club World Cup: 2008 Ryan Giggs over rated!!!! I had in my over-rated team. When he was a young, speedy winger, his crossing was pish. He was extremely inconsistent. Now he is the English Player of the Year and he played less than 20 games last year Way over-rated. PS Man Utd should have been gubbed in their two CL finals.



Arthur Dent	28 Nov 2009, 05:52 PM Post #151
Don't Panic!! Posts: 292 Group: Members Member #9,599 Joined: 22 July 2007	murphio 28 Nov 2009, 03:23 AM Arthur Dent 26 Nov 2009, 09:12 PM So in summary: 3 top 4 finishes 2 CL campaigns 1 UEFA Cup campaign 1 World Cup finals appearance Thats it? In 12 seasons? Thats what puts him up there with Casillas and Buffon? Really? If you think what he has done in his career so far puts him in the Casillas/Buffon category then fair enough, i'm not gonna waste any more time arguing with you. And I actually agree that he has been one of the most consistent keepers in the EPL and is certainly in the Top 5 in that league, but i think that it shows him to be very good, just not one of the best in the world How proven was Peter Shilton? Or Pat Jennings? Sorry - bet yer talkin wet. WTF do Shilton and Jennings have to do with anything? Seriously? Here is their records anyway: Shilton- 2 European Cups, 1 League, 1 World Cup semi-final Jennings- 1 UEFA Cup, 2 FA Cups In fairness Shiltons record doesn't look too bad does it? Not that i think he was ever one of the best personally, but at least he has done enough at the highest levels of the game to make an informed judgement shrugs



BigD1888	30 Nov 2009, 12:12 PM Post #152
Youth team player Posts: 56 Group: Members Member #22,922 Joined: 2 February 2009	James (just speaks for itself) bosingwa (a right back that can't defend) gallas (not good enough in the air) vermalen (see above) cole (good but not as good as he is made out to be) young (MON said he was in the same league as messi last year ) carrick (don't see what he offers for the money) jenas (just no) bently (just an over rated naka) santa cruz ( 18 million ) tevez ( good work rate but not enough goals. rated higher in england than the king of kings ever was and he had work rate and goals)



Tuscan Celt	30 Nov 2009, 12:32 PM Post #153
First-team captain Posts: 2,409 Group: Members Member #13,218 Joined: 22 December 2007	stupid thread imo. no-one in the EPL is overated, it is the best league in the world after all.



idyllwild	30 Nov 2009, 12:33 PM Post #154
2000 man Posts: 20,963 Group: Senior Member Member #3,097 Joined: 16 February 2006	Tuscan Celt 30 Nov 2009, 12:32 PM it is the best league in the world after all. Agreed.



FCT	30 Nov 2009, 12:47 PM Post #155
First team training Posts: 230 Group: Members Member #23,627 Joined: 26 May 2009 Favourite all-time player Henrik Larsson	BigD1888 30 Nov 2009, 12:12 PM santa cruz ( 18 million ) This is particularly insane. Almost up there with Flo...



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