McManus no longer captain?

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McManus no longer captain?
Topic Started: 4 Jul 2009, 11:28 PM (6,163 Views)
Terry_1973	5 Jul 2009, 03:40 PM Post #121
The Lone Wolf Posts: 5,755 Group: Snr. Member Member #7,193 Joined: 2 March 2007 Favourite all-time player Willie Garner	I read the article as, he is more than happy to continue with Mick as captain, but he wants to talk to Mick first and see how he feels himself.



hail_hail	5 Jul 2009, 03:48 PM Post #122
Getting on a bit Posts: 5,497 Group: Snr. Member Member #5,777 Joined: 26 November 2006 Favourite all-time player Ron Jeremy	Terry_1973 5 Jul 2009, 03:40 PM I read the article as, he is more than happy to continue with Mick as captain, but he wants to talk to Mick first and see how he feels himself. I think McManus will always put the club before himself and he will say that to Mowbray. If Mowbray thinks there is someone better for the club so be it if not McManus will be more than happy to continue fulfilling his role both on and off the field. He is a i am an idiot with no originality after all



bogsidetim	5 Jul 2009, 03:49 PM Post #123
First-team starter Posts: 918 Group: Members Member #17,514 Joined: 1 April 2008	bigbadjohn 4 Jul 2009, 11:34 PM never thought i,d say it but GARY CALDWELL ........although wont be bothered if it is broony.... Holy crap, naw A captain for the "real fans"



IainG	5 Jul 2009, 03:51 PM Post #124
Off treasure hunting in Holland Posts: 13,775 Group: Snr. Member Member #8,425 Joined: 24 May 2007	Willie Wonka 5 Jul 2009, 03:27 PM IainG 5 Jul 2009, 02:11 PM The captaincy is an over-rated position. celtic should have at least 5 'captains' in the first xi, and one of them should have the armband & toss the coin. That's sort of what I was inferring. The keeper "captains" his area. A defender "captains" and organises the defence, and so forth. Any of the players on duty can guess heads or tails and shake hands.



SilkyHoops	5 Jul 2009, 03:52 PM Post #125
Considering retirement Posts: 6,541 Group: Snr. Member Member #18,011 Joined: 13 April 2008	Mon had McManus as a LB, and then was on the point of transferring him. I actually think if Caldwell signs a new contract, then TM will go with Caldwell and Loovens as our CB pairing, which would leave our captain on the sidelines. That is the way i am reading it. So unless McManus is happy being a squad player or even being converted back to a LB, for which I think he is too slow, then we may have a problem forming here in the not too distant future. Or again if Mowbray signs Sean St Ledger then both Caldwell and McManus jaikits will be hanging on a shoogly nail IMO.



kellybhoy	5 Jul 2009, 03:57 PM Post #126
Play me or trade me Posts: 3,569 Group: Snr. Member Member #3,529 Joined: 4 April 2006	Rymo 5 Jul 2009, 01:57 AM Fall_Out_Bhoy 5 Jul 2009, 01:46 AM Heid for captain Captain calamity. Caldwells pish, should never be in the hoops never mind captain. He should never be in the hoops but he's POTY in the SPL, voted by his peers. The last time I looked he was also leading the vote for KDS POTY. Maybe all these people know nothing about football.



HONGKONGBHOY	5 Jul 2009, 03:59 PM Post #127
First name on the team-sheet Posts: 1,391 Group: Members Member #4,936 Joined: 16 September 2006 Favourite all-time player Lubooooo Lubooooo	cfc88 5 Jul 2009, 01:20 PM McManus is the only one in the squad just now that's Captain material for me. He'd run through a brick wall for Celtic, and IMO, is the best defender at the club. Brown isn't ready yet, and Boruc proved last season that it would be too much of a risk to give him more responsibility. Unless we bring in someone, then McManus should be the captain when he comes back. Pity he couldn't run through Cousin. As far as central defender go McManus is one of the biggest softies I have seen in the hoops. If we have McManus in defence next season we will probaly lose the league again. He was one of the main reasons we lost it last season. Had Loovens been there from the start we would have one win points to spare IMO. Edited by HONGKONGBHOY, 5 Jul 2009, 03:59 PM.



kellybhoy	5 Jul 2009, 04:02 PM Post #128
Play me or trade me Posts: 3,569 Group: Snr. Member Member #3,529 Joined: 4 April 2006	nowonder 5 Jul 2009, 01:07 PM behan 5 Jul 2009, 12:56 PM Brown, Boruc, effing McGeady?? You're all off your heads. Good players, probably our best, and for as long as they stay at the club should probably be first choices. But none of them are captain material, none of them. They're hardly model pros - Arthur doesn't need explaining, Brown has yet to master the English language and McGeady is a petulant moany faced wee bastard at the best of times. If not Mick, then Caldwell. They're the only two candidates at the club now IMO. Seems people are getting confused,the captain's role is mostly about his relationship with the other players and the manager.His job isn't to be the fans representitive on the pitch Correct. Why not let the players elect the captain, then at least everybody knows the players in general are happy with the appointment. I think this is how it's done at some clubs.



bermbob	5 Jul 2009, 04:38 PM Post #129
Club Captain Posts: 3,159 Group: Snr. Member Member #3,839 Joined: 12 May 2006	wimsatim 5 Jul 2009, 01:37 PM I personally think McManus is not good enough to be a Celtic player, let alone Captain material. I was very dissappointend and underwhelmed when he was given it by Strachan. Before he got the armband, he was praised by the majority for his performances (despite being nothing more than mediocre) whilst his stock dropped dramatically once becoming captain and was severely criticised (despite being nothing worse than medicore). My biggest gripe with him is he makes the same mistakes now as he did when he first came into the team. He gets to close to players in non-threatening areas, i.e. close to the halfway line whilst he allows strikers too much time in and around the area. He's also pretty poor in the air, turns like a warship and his distribution is nothing short of disgraceful. That being said, he does have some good points. He's a very decent front post defender and is always willing to put his body on the line for the good of the team. His constant talking and encouragement is also a strength as this current squad is the most retiring I've ever seen. I think the English transfer market is so absurd that you could get �4m for McManus. The likes of McCarthy, Coyle and McLeish see him as being the Celtic and Scottish captain who has played in the CL for the past 3 seasons. With regards to anyone in the current squad becoming captain, I don't think there is one outstanding candidate. I would much prefer us buying a natural leader who can come into the team straightaway and can both play and talk during a match. The way Mogga is talking, I think this will be his preferred option as well, which suggests it will be an English speaking player from down south. I feel bad agreeing with just about all of this because I like McManus as a person. When he initially got the armband he was playing better than he is now but our lack of spending has ensured the quality of player on show is not as good as we have had in the past. There is not a player in the current squad who can be considered good enough to be a celtic player when judged through the eyes of older members who were around to see some of the true legends of the past.



remy mcswain	5 Jul 2009, 04:39 PM Post #130
From invisibility to dominance Posts: 28,106 Group: Snr. Member Member #74 Joined: 1 September 2004 Favourite all-time player Celticsean	kellybhoy 5 Jul 2009, 03:57 PM Rymo 5 Jul 2009, 01:57 AM Fall_Out_Bhoy 5 Jul 2009, 01:46 AM Heid for captain Captain calamity. Caldwells pish, should never be in the hoops never mind captain. He should never be in the hoops but he's POTY in the SPL, voted by his peers. The last time I looked he was also leading the vote for KDS POTY. Maybe all these people know nothing about football. Wrong on both counts. He was voted PotY by the football writers and sponsors. Brown was Players' PotY. Brown will also romp the KDS vote. Apart from that, great post



Rymo	5 Jul 2009, 04:45 PM Post #131
First name on the team-sheet Posts: 1,350 Group: Members Member #6,967 Joined: 13 February 2007	kellybhoy 5 Jul 2009, 03:57 PM Rymo 5 Jul 2009, 01:57 AM Fall_Out_Bhoy 5 Jul 2009, 01:46 AM Heid for captain Captain calamity. Caldwells pish, should never be in the hoops never mind captain. He should never be in the hoops but he's POTY in the SPL, voted by his peers. The last time I looked he was also leading the vote for KDS POTY. Maybe all these people know nothing about football. Brown was players player of the year and will take the KDS vote. Two good points though.



Ess	5 Jul 2009, 04:47 PM Post #132
Abooganza! Posts: 3,772 Group: Snr. Member Member #6,688 Joined: 25 January 2007	I dont see how TM had any choice but to respond to questions about who would be captain. Stephen McManus is injured so the question is relevant. If I was TM, I would be looking to appoint my own captain. It's not a question he should be ducking. I agree with a few other posters that your captain has to be a first pick every week, and hopefully injury free. Mik should never have been made captain, I have a lot of time for him but in the end I think the pressure had a negative effect on him.



SilkyHoops	5 Jul 2009, 05:00 PM Post #133
Considering retirement Posts: 6,541 Group: Snr. Member Member #18,011 Joined: 13 April 2008	I would say Caldwell is marginally better than McManus, but that is faint praise indeed, because I am dissatisfied with the pair of them. I could cite many instances of their failings as a pair, or even as individuals in the defence. But the three that stand out for me are 1. Cousins battering the both of them. 2. Lee Miller and Zander blinkin Diamond ragdolling them 3. McManus's rashness costing us the Scottish Cup ' And throw into the mix Caldwell's aberations against Benfica and Barcelona The list is endless. They are just not good enough to be Celtic's central defenders imo. Also I saw on another Celtic site that McManus and his Celtic mates shunned all the Celtic fans at the Celtic Las Vegas 2009 event when he was over there for his stag night and was staying at the MGM. Poor show that, while other former Celtic luminaries like Bertie Auld, Joe Mcbride, Evan Williams, Tommy Boyd, George Mcluskey, Pat Mcluskey, Dixie Deans, John Fallon, John Calagari were only too happy and willing to mix and intermingle with the bhoys on the Strip. Edited by SilkyHoops, 5 Jul 2009, 05:09 PM.



themoto75	5 Jul 2009, 05:01 PM Post #134
Occasional Substitute Posts: 543 Group: Members Member #9,705 Joined: 29 July 2007	remy mcswain 5 Jul 2009, 04:39 PM kellybhoy 5 Jul 2009, 03:57 PM Rymo 5 Jul 2009, 01:57 AM Quoting limited to 3 levels deep He should never be in the hoops but he's POTY in the SPL, voted by his peers. The last time I looked he was also leading the vote for KDS POTY. Maybe all these people know nothing about football. Wrong on both counts. He was voted PotY by the football writers and sponsors. Brown was Players' PotY. Brown will also romp the KDS vote. Apart from that, great post A bit patronising but apart from that a great post



remy mcswain	5 Jul 2009, 05:06 PM Post #135
From invisibility to dominance Posts: 28,106 Group: Snr. Member Member #74 Joined: 1 September 2004 Favourite all-time player Celticsean	It wasn't a bit. It was completely. As intended.



The Maestro	5 Jul 2009, 05:07 PM Post #136
Skateaway Posts: 6,928 Group: Snr. Member Member #77 Joined: 1 September 2004 Favourite all-time player Paul McStay	SilkyHoops 5 Jul 2009, 05:00 PM I would say Caldwell is marginally better than McManus, but that is faint praise indeed, because I am dissatisfied with the pair of them. I could cite many instances of their failings as a pair, or even as individuals in the defence. But the three that stand out for me are 1. Cousins battering the both of them. 2. Lee Miller and Zander blinkin Diamond ragdolling them 3. McManus's rashness costing us the Scottish Cup ' And throw into the mix Caldwell's aberations against Benfica and Barcelona The list is endless. They are just not good enough to be Celtic's central defenders imo. Also I saw another Celtic site that McManus and his Celtic mates shunned all the Celtic fans at the Celtic Las Vegas 2009 event when he was over there for his stag night and was staying at the MGM. Poor show that, while other former Celtic luminaries like Bertie Auld, Joe Mcbride, Evan Williams, Tommy Boyd, George Mcluskey, Pat Mcluskey, Dixie Deans, John Fallon, John Calagari were only too happy and willing to mix and intermingle with the bhoys on the Strip. The guy was on his stag night with friends, perhaps Mick just a bit of time to himself any potential hassle. Re his footballing ability I completely agree. A wholehearted but limited player.



murphio	5 Jul 2009, 05:11 PM Post #137
Older than dirt Posts: 29,135 Group: Snr. Member Member #127 Joined: 2 September 2004	There was no other choice at the time and at present there is still no other choice. If McManus is getting the captaincy taken away then we have to go and sign one.



SilkyHoops	5 Jul 2009, 05:14 PM Post #138
Considering retirement Posts: 6,541 Group: Snr. Member Member #18,011 Joined: 13 April 2008	Mowbray mulling over captaincy Bhoys boss could appoint new club captain http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11787_5415611,00.html



popeyed	5 Jul 2009, 06:01 PM Post #139
Pimpin'. Posts: 3,960 Group: Snr. Member Member #10,307 Joined: 26 August 2007 Favourite all-time player Romario.	HONGKONGBHOY 5 Jul 2009, 03:59 PM cfc88 5 Jul 2009, 01:20 PM McManus is the only one in the squad just now that's Captain material for me. He'd run through a brick wall for Celtic, and IMO, is the best defender at the club. Brown isn't ready yet, and Boruc proved last season that it would be too much of a risk to give him more responsibility. Unless we bring in someone, then McManus should be the captain when he comes back. Pity he couldn't run through Cousin. As far as central defender go McManus is one of the biggest softies I have seen in the hoops.



Bawman	5 Jul 2009, 06:03 PM Post #140
Class is permanent Posts: 15,129 Group: Senior Member Member #106 Joined: 1 September 2004	Mowbray made some telling statements in his wee dialogue but most notably (fer me) he alluded to the idea that the Captain should be pretty much undroppable. I'm very much in the camp that would not have McManus as Captain of the club. I don't think he's a leader, that's all. Nice big guy, represents the club well but there has to be something a wee bit special fer a Captain in my book. That wee something that has him be the first name on the teamsheet. It can be ability, leadership, team spirit, even a bit of the looney but SOMETHING that sets you apart from your team mates and has them respond. McManus is a bit too blancmange fer me. Hinkel would be a decent choice and I think it's a role he could mature into. His one failing would be that bit of devilment that would elevate his game. Brown has it all in front of him but not quite yet. Boruc perhaps but again, he needs tae add something.Responsibility. If we were to play a game today I'd give it tae Caldwell. I'd also be looking tae sign TWO Captains in the close season. Edited by Bawman, 5 Jul 2009, 06:10 PM.



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