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McManus no longer captain?
Topic Started: 4 Jul 2009, 11:28 PM (6,149 Views)
Dianogah
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Apparently papers running with this tomorrow, with quotes from Mowbray

:hmmm:
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For now, Mowbray is non-committal on the captaincy, but admits it is on his mind. “I’d be lying to you if I said I hadn’t thought about it but I don’t really think the time is right to get into it,” he said. “I’d imagine there will be a few captains in pre-season because the team is going to have to change a fair bit because of the number of games in close proximity of one another. I haven’t had a chat with Stephen yet, just a brief conversation in the corridor, but in the next week I’ll sit down with them and get a feel for it. I don’t know his own thoughts on the captaincy, I do know he’s a very imposing man, a huge man, a good man, he seems a gentleman to me, and I’ll see what he thinks, how much that decision would impact on him, positively or negatively. Captaincy is important for the standards you set. In a club like this, he has to lead by example in his on-field and off-field manner, the way he interacts with supporters, the way he deals with his teammates. Initially, he seems as though he would have the capability to deal with all those things no problem.”

Mowbray chose Jonathan Greening as his captain at West Bromwich Albion because “he was a very solid man and someone the players looked up to for talent rather than his leadership qualities on the field. He wasn’t a shake-the-fist type who was growling at people. He was technically very gifted and the team respected his immense talent. He was a very good man off the field, he respected the supporters and spoke well, so that was fine.”

One issue last season was some fans feeling McManus was staying in the team by virtue of the captaincy rather than his performances as he toiled with injuries. “If your captain isn’t performing, you can’t hurt the team,” responded Mowbray, quickly, to this point. “You’ve got to pick the best players.

“Lots of different managers do different things, some give it to the best player, some give it to the centre-half because he’s the one that roars at people. But when you’re with them every day you understand their personalities, you feel what the dressingroom respects, you get a feeling for how he deals with the pressure of talking in front of people and \the public persona of your football club — all these things are thrown into the mix. I sit here today and haven’t seen any reason why Stephen McManus doesn’t fit all those criteria, but I’d suggest there’s one or two others within the club who might also fit those criteria. We’ll find that out as we go along — but there might also be one or two signings that fit those criteria as well.”


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/scotland/article6638883.ece
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Dianogah
4 Jul 2009, 11:28 PM
Apparently papers running with this tomorrow, with quotes from Mowbray

:hmmm:
Good sign (if true) imo.
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Big Tony is his own man and I think he wants to make his mark on the team from Day1. He was
an uncompromising centre back in his day, and I think he likes his captain to be very vocal and communicative.
So that being said I am not surprised to hear McManus has been stripped of the captaincy.
I have a hunch that the new captain might be Scott Brown.

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Good move from Mowbray

McManus is not a Celtic captain in a million years
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Saw this posted in the rumours thread. Can only be a good thing IMO. Gives Mick the chance to play without the added pressure of captaining the team. Although it could also be a sign that Mowbray doesn't rate him as a player. Or am I reading too much into it?

Either way, I'm not sure there's a player in the current squad who can captain the side. Might need to get some leadership brought in.
Edited by mick405, 4 Jul 2009, 11:37 PM.
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never thought i,d say it but GARY CALDWELL ........although wont be bothered if it is broony....
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Dont know who the captain will be next term a player already at the club or still to sign.

I have a feeling he will go with Caldwell and Loovens at the back though unless he signs A N other.
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Caldwell for me.
Brown eventually (hopefully), but he's too young just now.
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madtim1967
4 Jul 2009, 11:35 PM
Dont know who the captain will be next term a player already at the club or still to sign.

I have a feeling he will go with Caldwell and Loovens at the back though unless he signs A N other.
One of our own.
That'd be a proud day for KDS
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4 Jul 2009, 11:30 PM
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For now, Mowbray is non-committal on the captaincy, but admits it is on his mind. “I’d be lying to you if I said I hadn’t thought about it but I don’t really think the time is right to get into it,” he said. “I’d imagine there will be a few captains in pre-season because the team is going to have to change a fair bit because of the number of games in close proximity of one another. I haven’t had a chat with Stephen yet, just a brief conversation in the corridor, but in the next week I’ll sit down with them and get a feel for it. I don’t know his own thoughts on the captaincy, I do know he’s a very imposing man, a huge man, a good man, he seems a gentleman to me, and I’ll see what he thinks, how much that decision would impact on him, positively or negatively. Captaincy is important for the standards you set. In a club like this, he has to lead by example in his on-field and off-field manner, the way he interacts with supporters, the way he deals with his teammates. Initially, he seems as though he would have the capability to deal with all those things no problem.”

Mowbray chose Jonathan Greening as his captain at West Bromwich Albion because “he was a very solid man and someone the players looked up to for talent rather than his leadership qualities on the field. He wasn’t a shake-the-fist type who was growling at people. He was technically very gifted and the team respected his immense talent. He was a very good man off the field, he respected the supporters and spoke well, so that was fine.”

One issue last season was some fans feeling McManus was staying in the team by virtue of the captaincy rather than his performances as he toiled with injuries. “If your captain isn’t performing, you can’t hurt the team,” responded Mowbray, quickly, to this point. “You’ve got to pick the best players.

“Lots of different managers do different things, some give it to the best player, some give it to the centre-half because he’s the one that roars at people. But when you’re with them every day you understand their personalities, you feel what the dressingroom respects, you get a feeling for how he deals with the pressure of talking in front of people and \the public persona of your football club — all these things are thrown into the mix. I sit here today and haven’t seen any reason why Stephen McManus doesn’t fit all those criteria, but I’d suggest there’s one or two others within the club who might also fit those criteria. We’ll find that out as we go along — but there might also be one or two signings that fit those criteria as well.”


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/scotland/article6638883.ece
Mowbray was very non-commital during the week when asked about the Captaincy - basically said pretty much as above although he has elaborated his thoughts a bit more here.

The last comments about one or two signings might fit the criteria are interesting - sounds as though he is looking at having on field leaders which was lacking last season and also he has them in mind already.
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jamiemc60
4 Jul 2009, 11:35 PM
Caldwell for me.
Brown eventually (hopefully), but he's too young just now.
I've grown to like Brown as a player, but for the life of me I can't see a potential captain in there.

I wonder how Mick would react to being stripped of this responsibility if it did actually happen?
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Dianogah
4 Jul 2009, 11:30 PM
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For now, Mowbray is non-committal on the captaincy, but admits it is on his mind. “I’d be lying to you if I said I hadn’t thought about it but I don’t really think the time is right to get into it,” he said. “I’d imagine there will be a few captains in pre-season because the team is going to have to change a fair bit because of the number of games in close proximity of one another. I haven’t had a chat with Stephen yet, just a brief conversation in the corridor, but in the next week I’ll sit down with them and get a feel for it. I don’t know his own thoughts on the captaincy, I do know he’s a very imposing man, a huge man, a good man, he seems a gentleman to me, and I’ll see what he thinks, how much that decision would impact on him, positively or negatively. Captaincy is important for the standards you set. In a club like this, he has to lead by example in his on-field and off-field manner, the way he interacts with supporters, the way he deals with his teammates. Initially, he seems as though he would have the capability to deal with all those things no problem.”

Mowbray chose Jonathan Greening as his captain at West Bromwich Albion because “he was a very solid man and someone the players looked up to for talent rather than his leadership qualities on the field. He wasn’t a shake-the-fist type who was growling at people. He was technically very gifted and the team respected his immense talent. He was a very good man off the field, he respected the supporters and spoke well, so that was fine.”

One issue last season was some fans feeling McManus was staying in the team by virtue of the captaincy rather than his performances as he toiled with injuries. “If your captain isn’t performing, you can’t hurt the team,” responded Mowbray, quickly, to this point. “You’ve got to pick the best players.

“Lots of different managers do different things, some give it to the best player, some give it to the centre-half because he’s the one that roars at people. But when you’re with them every day you understand their personalities, you feel what the dressingroom respects, you get a feeling for how he deals with the pressure of talking in front of people and \the public persona of your football club — all these things are thrown into the mix. I sit here today and haven’t seen any reason why Stephen McManus doesn’t fit all those criteria, but I’d suggest there’s one or two others within the club who might also fit those criteria. We’ll find that out as we go along — but there might also be one or two signings that fit those criteria as well.”


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/scotland/article6638883.ece
Stephen McManus is an admirable pro who stepped into the role of captain when there were no other realistic contenders. However, it did sort of make him undroppable when he should have been out of the team last season.

There are no other serious contenders for the captaincy of Celtic Football Club at the moment. Caldwell may be the only possible one - but he comes with the same drawbacks as McManus, i.e. he's far from a great player and mat be dropped when his form takes a dip.

This is all making me think that Mowbray has not yet signed his captain.

Good news as far as I'm concerned. :thumbsup:
Edited by lubomirmoravcik, 4 Jul 2009, 11:42 PM.
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4 Jul 2009, 11:41 PM


This is all making me think that Mowbray has not yet signed his captain.

Good news as far as I'm concerned. :thumbsup:
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That's the way it crumbles... cookie-wise.

Caldwell shouldn't be considered while he ummms and ahhhs about a new contract.


McManus lacked the experience to skipper Celtic and I can't help feel the role has hindered his own personal progression as a player.
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madtim1967
4 Jul 2009, 11:43 PM
lubomirmoravcik
4 Jul 2009, 11:41 PM


This is all making me think that Mowbray has not yet signed his captain.

Good news as far as I'm concerned. :thumbsup:
Steve Sidwell , Sol Campbell :ph43r:
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4 Jul 2009, 11:47 PM
Caldwell shouldn't be considered while he ummms and ahhhs about a new contract.


McManus lacked the experience to skipper Celtic and I can't help feel the role has hindered his own personal progression as a player.
My feelings too. it was one of the worse things Strachan did was making McManus captain.
The added burden of responsibility has set Stephen back imo, as he had been playing well
up until he was made captain. Then it was a downwards trajectory. He is a quiet lad by nature,
and to be a captain of Celtic I really do think you have to be very assured and a good communicator on and off the field.

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Not much leadership material in the squad at the moment.

Will he buy his captain? Risky in my book.

Or will it be Caldwell, giving him a strong bargaining position when it comes to his contract renewal?
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4 Jul 2009, 11:57 PM
Not much leadership material in the squad at the moment.

Will he buy his captain? Risky in my book.

Or will it be Caldwell, giving him a strong bargaining position when it comes to his contract renewal?
I think Greening would be a great signing, doubt we could afford him though.
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To me there's nowt in those quotes that indicates he's likely to change captain....in fact he seems to be saying that on first impression he thinks McManus has all the qualities he's looking for.

Whether that's just a way of softening the blow if/when he does drop him, or if he's challenging him to prove that he's the right man for the job remains to be seen.

As for who should be captain if not McManus...Caldwell looks like the only other realistic candidate from our current squad TBH. Boruc, McGeady & McDonald all have question marks over their own maturity and/or behaviour that would rule them out, Brown isn't ready for it and Maloney and Hinkel both appear too quiet for it.

Maybe somebody will step up during McManus' absence in pre-season and the early competetive games, or maybe Mogga is thinking of bringing in an experienced campaigner who can take on the role.
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