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John McGinn; Initial bid rejected by Hibs (confirmed by Garry Parker)
Topic Started: 4 Jul 2018, 09:10 PM (37,915 Views)
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It would be better framing it as "the last player we signed from the SPL that looked even remotely competent at the level we want to playing at, was Scott Brown".

John McGinn would be fine if we were coming off an absolute humdinger of a season and we needed a bit of easily available, competent SPL level material while we total gutted the squad.

However we are not, we have a largely settled midfield since Xmas and we also need defenders, quality ones. Every penny spent elsewhere at this point is a distraction from that.
Edited by Hail!Hail!, 5 Jul 2018, 03:28 PM.
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5 Jul 2018, 11:12 AM

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You think these gripes with Gordon are because he's Scottish?
Hendry gets worse treatment than Boyata?
Ralston & Christie who have shown little on loan?
A lot of players have their detractors, but if you think fans base their opinions on the players you mention due to their nationality you're very wrong IMO, as I'd say most could argue their points without having to mention nationality
Gordon gets a lot of flak. Some because of errors (despite many excellent stops that have saved us). Some of it is because of his previous at the Diets. It would be ludicrous to suggest otherwise.

Hendry, with 11 Celtic games under his belt, gets worse treatment than Boyata, when he had 11 Celtic games under his belt. I don't think that is in any doubt. Totally written off, despite the fact people will feel justified about that.

Ralston was credited with turning around Dundee United's season and saving their manager's job, but fair enough he didn't obviously do much.

Christie won Aberdeen's 2016/17 Player of the Year despite being a loan player, but again, I guess he's not done too much. This is a club that finished second in everything to us in an undefeated Treble season. Certainly not enough to give him any credit obviously.
'Hendry, with 11 Celtic games under his belt, gets worse treatment than Boyata,'

Is this because he's Scottish?

'Ralston was credited with turning around Dundee United's season and saving their manager's job, but fair enough he didn't obviously do much.'

11 apps, do you think I'm saying he didn't do much because he's Scottish?

'Christie won Aberdeen's 2016/17 Player of the Year despite being a loan player, but again, I guess he's not done too much. This is a club that finished second in everything to us in an undefeated Treble season. Certainly not enough to give him any credit obviously.'

I think we signed their POTY Johnny Hayes that year and he's not good enough the Scottish fecker....Oh wait
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Hail!Hail!
5 Jul 2018, 03:28 PM
It would be better framing it as "the last player we signed from the SPL that looked even remotely competent at the level we want to playing at, was Scott Brown".

John McGinn would be fine if we were coming off an absolute humdinger of a season and we needed a bit of easily available, competent SPL level material while we total gutted the squad.

However we are not, we have a largely settled midfield since Xmas and we also need defenders, quality ones. Every penny spent elsewhere at this point is a distraction from that.
Yes, we do need defenders and that is clearly a priority.

But we also need cover in midfield, having lost Armstrong and with Brown not getting any younger. We could play close to 70 games this season. We need more that Brown, Ntcham and McGregor to do that. Kouassi seems not to be at the level the manager wants him to be and Bitton is recovering from surgery.

The idea that this signing distracts or somehow prevents us from signing defenders is just rubbish.
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5 Jul 2018, 03:37 PM
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5 Jul 2018, 03:28 PM
It would be better framing it as "the last player we signed from the SPL that looked even remotely competent at the level we want to playing at, was Scott Brown".

John McGinn would be fine if we were coming off an absolute humdinger of a season and we needed a bit of easily available, competent SPL level material while we total gutted the squad.

However we are not, we have a largely settled midfield since Xmas and we also need defenders, quality ones. Every penny spent elsewhere at this point is a distraction from that.
Yes, we do need defenders and that is clearly a priority.

But we also need cover in midfield, having lost Armstrong and with Brown not getting any younger. We could play close to 70 games this season. We need more that Brown, Ntcham and McGregor to do that. Kouassi seems not to be at the level the manager wants him to be and Bitton is recovering from surgery.

The idea that this signing distracts or somehow prevents us from signing defenders is just rubbish.
I worry we'll neglect the defence anyway, but it certainly won't be because we brought in John McGinn for, at most, half of the Armstrong money.
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I agree with most that at center midfield we have a stack of talent and we might not need him now.
However, if Brown was to take an injury this year... I'd feel a whole lot better knowing we signed McGinn.
What he lacks in technical skill he has drive.

I still think he's more of the same as what we have. Think we need an Armstrong replacement in a player who breaks the lines and makes driving runs into box to support the CF.
I love Rogic but he's more the type to ping a class pass from the edge of box or to get a shot on goal. Obviously he has done the Petrov type running in the past at times.
Nice to have another attacking option to complement Rogic if we need a plan B. Not sure McGinn offers this at present. See him as a deeper midfielder. But in fairness I don't watch him enough.
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I'm happy to bring McGinn on board, I think over the piece he'd be a good signing
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I think a lot of people have lost a sense of reality of the quality of players we generally sign.

Most of our signings are speculative punts, McGinn would be a more sensible punt than many previous signings at least.
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I honestly think Hibs will bite at 2.5m, they cannot turn that down imo
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Wonder if we could offer the £1.5m plus Eboue or Miller or Ralston on loan. All 3 should get into the team, get a good year under their belt and we save a bit of cash.
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McGinn is one of those players that cos he plays for a smaller Scottish team, no-one gets excited about him but has the potential to be one that if he went to the EPL and flourish, you'd be kicking yourself. Just like McFadden in his pomp or James McCarthy.

For that reason, I'll twist and see how he gets on. I think he'll be a good signing.
We can afford it now as well. Sure we knocked McCarthy back because we were spending £2m on Ki.
we knocked back McCarthy because Mowbray didn't fancy him as a player - story I heard was that Hamilton offered us McCarthy, McArthur and Easton for a combined total of £1 million, as they were desperate for the money, but Mowbray knew better!!
Sounds like a bit of a stretch mate when McCarthy signed for Wigan in July 2009 for 1.2m. Mowbray was only appointed a month before that.
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5 Jul 2018, 04:24 PM
I think a lot of people have lost a sense of reality
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Gordon gets a lot of flak. Some because of errors (despite many excellent stops that have saved us). Some of it is because of his previous at the Diets. It would be ludicrous to suggest otherwise.

Hendry, with 11 Celtic games under his belt, gets worse treatment than Boyata, when he had 11 Celtic games under his belt. I don't think that is in any doubt. Totally written off, despite the fact people will feel justified about that.

Ralston was credited with turning around Dundee United's season and saving their manager's job, but fair enough he didn't obviously do much.

Christie won Aberdeen's 2016/17 Player of the Year despite being a loan player, but again, I guess he's not done too much. This is a club that finished second in everything to us in an undefeated Treble season. Certainly not enough to give him any credit obviously.
'Hendry, with 11 Celtic games under his belt, gets worse treatment than Boyata,'

Is this because he's Scottish?

'Ralston was credited with turning around Dundee United's season and saving their manager's job, but fair enough he didn't obviously do much.'

11 apps, do you think I'm saying he didn't do much because he's Scottish?

'Christie won Aberdeen's 2016/17 Player of the Year despite being a loan player, but again, I guess he's not done too much. This is a club that finished second in everything to us in an undefeated Treble season. Certainly not enough to give him any credit obviously.'

I think we signed their POTY Johnny Hayes that year and he's not good enough the Scottish fecker....Oh wait
Sweet Jesus.

You said Ralston and Christie showed little on loan. The truth is different if you care to look at the evidence. Now you've moved the goalposts to make it do with them being Scottish when your initial assertion was that they showed little on loan? What argument is it that you care to make? Because please make it and stop grasping for more pish.

It has still not stopped many declaring them not good enough despite not yet playing 20 games for Celtic.

I believe there are a few reasons why Hendry gets in the neck. These are largely to do with his own shortcomings in some of his first eleven career games or 690 minutes in a Celtic jersey.

However it's not a stretch for me to suggest that people were unimpressed we were signing a player from Dundee, and that's an impression that has cast a shadow over everything he has done since. Do I think ultimately he's been judged more harshly than Boyata over that time period? Yes, I do.

Hayes was shortlisted for the PFA PoTY. The Aberdeen PoTY was Christie. Hayes may not be Scottish, but he was bought from a Scottish club so he has to put up with the same sniffy attitude that Hendry and McGinn tend to invite because of their perceived lack of quality.
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5 Jul 2018, 04:33 PM
Wonder if we could offer the £1.5m plus Eboue or Miller or Ralston on loan. All 3 should get into the team, get a good year under their belt and we save a bit of cash.
Offer all 3
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5 Jul 2018, 04:44 PM
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5 Jul 2018, 04:33 PM
Wonder if we could offer the £1.5m plus Eboue or Miller or Ralston on loan. All 3 should get into the team, get a good year under their belt and we save a bit of cash.
Offer all 3
Only allowed to loan one player to any club.

Can see Miller and Allan making a permanent switch tho (subject to what happens with Tierney)
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Do we not still have to maintain a home grown quota for CL? For that reason alone it makes sense, to sign the 'best of the rest'. Not exactly a ringing endorsement but it must be a factor. Otherwise I'm pretty ambivalent.
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No point crying over spilt milk, so I'm getting behind this signing whatever my reservations. My big concern now is that we don't overpay to subsidise Hibs (St Mirren's) 33% sell-on fee, which is their own stupid fault. I assume that fee can't apply to any sell-on we might make, can it?
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I've warmed to him in recent weeks. I don't think he's anywhere near the level of Brown, Ntcham or even McGregor but maybe he'll get there working with BR. Probably worth the punt.
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No point crying over spilt milk, so I'm getting behind this signing whatever my reservations. My big concern now is that we don't overpay to subsidise Hibs (St Mirren's) 33% sell-on fee, which is their own stupid fault. I assume that fee can't apply to any sell-on we might make, can it?
I would have thought that's where Scott Allan could have come in handy
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In Hibs' last win at Ibrox John McGinn played at left-back (played well and scored). Perhaps another tick in the PRO list. Obviously I'm not suggesting we are signing him as a left-back.
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our new left back :clap:
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