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John McGinn; Initial bid rejected by Hibs (confirmed by Garry Parker)
Topic Started: 4 Jul 2018, 09:10 PM (37,916 Views)
Kolin
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RodgersRevolution
5 Jul 2018, 01:53 PM
evan15
5 Jul 2018, 01:50 PM
Also the reason no one is getting excited about Lewis Morgan.

Who I think will turn into a regular for us by next season and surprise a few.
The last successful player we signed from an SPL side was Scott Brown.
i think those counting the cash from the Armstrong deal would happily disagree with you.

or else would like to have more than few "unsuccessful" signings like him.
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RodgersRevolution
5 Jul 2018, 01:53 PM
evan15
5 Jul 2018, 01:50 PM
Also the reason no one is getting excited about Lewis Morgan.

Who I think will turn into a regular for us by next season and surprise a few.
The last successful player we signed from an SPL side was Scott Brown.
:lol:
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Ghost of Fitzpas
5 Jul 2018, 02:05 PM
snob-erable
Well that's certainly the best word i've read in a while.
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Ghost of Fitzpas
5 Jul 2018, 01:57 PM
I don't think that there's a snobbery against Scottish players on here.

There is an argument that there's perhaps a snobbery against players bought from Scottish teams. But when you have a look at the recruits this decade, it's hard to make a strong case that we've been more successful than not.

Jack Hendry, £1.2m, Jan 2018
Lewis Morgan, £340k + loan, Jan 2018
Jonny Hayes, £1.3m + loan, Jun 2017
Ryan Christie, £500,000 + loan, Aug 2015
Scott Allan, £275,000 + loan, Aug 2015
Nadir Ciftci, £1.5m, Jul 2015
Stuart Armstrong, £1.75m, Feb 2015
Gary Mackay-Steven, £250,000, Feb 2015
Tony Watt, £100,000, Jan 2011
Anthony Stokes, £800,000, Aug 2010
When did we loan Jonny Hayes? And I’d say 5/9 of them at least did a job.
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An absolutely ok signing. He is totally hacket but and will bring our team handsomeness down a great deal
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Ghost of Fitzpas
5 Jul 2018, 01:57 PM
I don't think that there's a snobbery against Scottish players on here.

There is an argument that there's perhaps a snobbery against players bought from Scottish teams. But when you have a look at the recruits this decade, it's hard to make a strong case that we've been more successful than not.

Jack Hendry, £1.2m, Jan 2018
Lewis Morgan, £340k + loan, Jan 2018
Jonny Hayes, £1.3m + loan, Jun 2017
Ryan Christie, £500,000 + loan, Aug 2015
Scott Allan, £275,000 + loan, Aug 2015
Nadir Ciftci, £1.5m, Jul 2015
Stuart Armstrong, £1.75m, Feb 2015
Gary Mackay-Steven, £250,000, Feb 2015
Tony Watt, £100,000, Jan 2011
Anthony Stokes, £800,000, Aug 2010
Little over £8m in fees spent. What we will eventually make back from the Armstrong transfer.

What most of us are trying to say is that there is little ventured and minimal risk. There would have been similarly with James McCarthy. Pushing at an open door with boys who are Celtic fans.

Nobody can say with any certainty how any of that top four will eventually work out at Celtic either.
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5 Jul 2018, 01:48 PM
McGinn is one of those players that cos he plays for a smaller Scottish team, no-one gets excited about him but has the potential to be one that if he went to the EPL and flourish, you'd be kicking yourself. Just like McFadden in his pomp or James McCarthy.

For that reason, I'll twist and see how he gets on. I think he'll be a good signing.
We can afford it now as well. Sure we knocked McCarthy back because we were spending £2m on Ki.
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popeyed
5 Jul 2018, 02:26 PM
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5 Jul 2018, 01:48 PM
McGinn is one of those players that cos he plays for a smaller Scottish team, no-one gets excited about him but has the potential to be one that if he went to the EPL and flourish, you'd be kicking yourself. Just like McFadden in his pomp or James McCarthy.

For that reason, I'll twist and see how he gets on. I think he'll be a good signing.
We can afford it now as well. Sure we knocked McCarthy back because we were spending £2m on Ki.
we knocked back McCarthy because Mowbray didn't fancy him as a player - story I heard was that Hamilton offered us McCarthy, McArthur and Easton for a combined total of £1 million, as they were desperate for the money, but Mowbray knew better!!
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justinjest
5 Jul 2018, 02:29 PM
popeyed
5 Jul 2018, 02:26 PM
Hustler
5 Jul 2018, 01:48 PM
McGinn is one of those players that cos he plays for a smaller Scottish team, no-one gets excited about him but has the potential to be one that if he went to the EPL and flourish, you'd be kicking yourself. Just like McFadden in his pomp or James McCarthy.

For that reason, I'll twist and see how he gets on. I think he'll be a good signing.
We can afford it now as well. Sure we knocked McCarthy back because we were spending £2m on Ki.
we knocked back McCarthy because Mowbray didn't fancy him as a player - story I heard was that Hamilton offered us McCarthy, McArthur and Easton for a combined total of £1 million, as they were desperate for the money, but Mowbray knew better!!
I can believe that. :lol:
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Jozo67
5 Jul 2018, 02:12 PM
Ghost of Fitzpas
5 Jul 2018, 01:57 PM
I don't think that there's a snobbery against Scottish players on here.

There is an argument that there's perhaps a snobbery against players bought from Scottish teams. But when you have a look at the recruits this decade, it's hard to make a strong case that we've been more successful than not.

Jack Hendry, £1.2m, Jan 2018
Lewis Morgan, £340k + loan, Jan 2018
Jonny Hayes, £1.3m + loan, Jun 2017
Ryan Christie, £500,000 + loan, Aug 2015
Scott Allan, £275,000 + loan, Aug 2015
Nadir Ciftci, £1.5m, Jul 2015
Stuart Armstrong, £1.75m, Feb 2015
Gary Mackay-Steven, £250,000, Feb 2015
Tony Watt, £100,000, Jan 2011
Anthony Stokes, £800,000, Aug 2010
When did we loan Jonny Hayes? And I’d say 5/9 of them at least did a job.
I dunno about that but Tony Watts goal against Barca alone made his fee completely worthwhile. We made a nice profit on him too.

Stokes gave us a good return on our 800k too.

Hendry and Morgan still have to ask for directions to CP. They're barely in the door in footballing terms.

Hayes was starting to turn the corner when he broke his leg.

Armstrong was a good signing.

Allan was worth it just to watch the huns lose it. A tactical signing if ever there was one.

That leaves Ciftci and GMS. Both busts.
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McGinn should dye his hair blonde
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Forza
5 Jul 2018, 01:18 PM

I certainly don't believe Celtic are in any way of a mind to let Allan go for nothing when he was one of the better players in the SPFL in the second half of last season.
its more likely we couldnt even give him away for free such is his wages
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5 Jul 2018, 02:12 PM
Ghost of Fitzpas
5 Jul 2018, 01:57 PM
I don't think that there's a snobbery against Scottish players on here.

There is an argument that there's perhaps a snobbery against players bought from Scottish teams. But when you have a look at the recruits this decade, it's hard to make a strong case that we've been more successful than not.

Jack Hendry, £1.2m, Jan 2018
Lewis Morgan, £340k + loan, Jan 2018
Jonny Hayes, £1.3m + loan, Jun 2017
Ryan Christie, £500,000 + loan, Aug 2015
Scott Allan, £275,000 + loan, Aug 2015
Nadir Ciftci, £1.5m, Jul 2015
Stuart Armstrong, £1.75m, Feb 2015
Gary Mackay-Steven, £250,000, Feb 2015
Tony Watt, £100,000, Jan 2011
Anthony Stokes, £800,000, Aug 2010
When did we loan Jonny Hayes? And I’d say 5/9 of them at least did a job.
The only one on that list who turned out to be a complete and total failure is Ciftci. Hendry, Hayes, Christie, and Morgan could all go either way at this point. GMS and Watt cost us peanuts and were never really what you could describe as duds, certainly not of Ciftci proportions.

Armstrong and Stokes could probably be classified as successful signings. And although we didn't sign Griffiths directly from Hibs, he had played essentially his entire career in Scotland other than the six months before we signed him. He's up there with the best signings we've made from anywhere during that time frame.

Scott Allan is a bit of a weird one. Definitely the second least successful signing on that list, and If we do let him go for nothing then it's probably another failure, albeit a cheaper one than Ciftci. But if we include him in the McGinn deal, or fetch a chunk of the money back from Aberdeen or whoever then it's not exactly one that'll have done us much damage in the long run.

Edited by Country Mac, 5 Jul 2018, 02:39 PM.
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5 Jul 2018, 02:12 PM
Ghost of Fitzpas
5 Jul 2018, 01:57 PM
I don't think that there's a snobbery against Scottish players on here.

There is an argument that there's perhaps a snobbery against players bought from Scottish teams. But when you have a look at the recruits this decade, it's hard to make a strong case that we've been more successful than not.

Jack Hendry, £1.2m, Jan 2018
Lewis Morgan, £340k + loan, Jan 2018
Jonny Hayes, £1.3m + loan, Jun 2017
Ryan Christie, £500,000 + loan, Aug 2015
Scott Allan, £275,000 + loan, Aug 2015
Nadir Ciftci, £1.5m, Jul 2015
Stuart Armstrong, £1.75m, Feb 2015
Gary Mackay-Steven, £250,000, Feb 2015
Tony Watt, £100,000, Jan 2011
Anthony Stokes, £800,000, Aug 2010
When did we loan Jonny Hayes? And I’d say 5/9 of them at least did a job.
He means that part of the fee for Hayes included Chrisite going to the sheep for a season.

As for McGinn, it would depend on the price for me. Can't say I'd be willing to pay much more than £1m for him given his contract status. Hopefully if we get him he can prove to be good enough but I think he's more of a squad filler than a regular starter who will improve us.
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5 Jul 2018, 02:41 PM
Jozo67
5 Jul 2018, 02:12 PM
Ghost of Fitzpas
5 Jul 2018, 01:57 PM
I don't think that there's a snobbery against Scottish players on here.

There is an argument that there's perhaps a snobbery against players bought from Scottish teams. But when you have a look at the recruits this decade, it's hard to make a strong case that we've been more successful than not.

Jack Hendry, £1.2m, Jan 2018
Lewis Morgan, £340k + loan, Jan 2018
Jonny Hayes, £1.3m + loan, Jun 2017
Ryan Christie, £500,000 + loan, Aug 2015
Scott Allan, £275,000 + loan, Aug 2015
Nadir Ciftci, £1.5m, Jul 2015
Stuart Armstrong, £1.75m, Feb 2015
Gary Mackay-Steven, £250,000, Feb 2015
Tony Watt, £100,000, Jan 2011
Anthony Stokes, £800,000, Aug 2010
When did we loan Jonny Hayes? And I’d say 5/9 of them at least did a job.
He means that part of the fee for Hayes included Chrisite going to the sheep for a season.

As for McGinn, it would depend on the price for me. Can't say I'd be willing to pay much more than £1m for him given his contract status. Hopefully if we get him he can prove to be good enough but I think he's more of a squad filler than a regular starter who will improve us.
Why do you care how much we pay for him?

I'd rather not sign him but if Rodgers wants him and we get him then I don't really care how much we pay for him. Paying an extra £1m or whatever for McGinn isn't going to make any difference to our ability to bring in defenders.
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5 Jul 2018, 12:17 PM
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5 Jul 2018, 12:16 PM
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5 Jul 2018, 11:46 AM
Andy Robertson, Shay Given and James McArthur, just three young players who were seen as not being good enough for Celtic but have done well in the Premiership. McGinn could fall into that category so I think it would be worth the gamble and, if it doesn't work, just sell him to Southampton for a profit :lol:
James McCarthy would have made for a more compelling argument ;)
And Shay Given and Robertson were freed by Celtic.

Apart from that it's compelling stuff.
And two seasons before McArthur went to Wigan we had invested £4.4m in Scott Brown who is and always has been streets ahead of McArthur even when he was playing with an injury for the best part of a season under Deila
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5 Jul 2018, 02:36 PM
Forza
5 Jul 2018, 01:18 PM

I certainly don't believe Celtic are in any way of a mind to let Allan go for nothing when he was one of the better players in the SPFL in the second half of last season.
its more likely we couldnt even give him away for free such is his wages
You think he is on more than Mackay-Steven? Did we struggle to give him away?
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5 Jul 2018, 02:44 PM
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5 Jul 2018, 02:12 PM

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He means that part of the fee for Hayes included Chrisite going to the sheep for a season.

As for McGinn, it would depend on the price for me. Can't say I'd be willing to pay much more than £1m for him given his contract status. Hopefully if we get him he can prove to be good enough but I think he's more of a squad filler than a regular starter who will improve us.
Why do you care how much we pay for him?

I'd rather not sign him but if Rodgers wants him and we get him then I don't really care how much we pay for him. Paying an extra £1m or whatever for McGinn isn't going to make any difference to our ability to bring in defenders.
Mainly because we are a club with limited funds and we could use the extra money elsewhere. McGinn plays for a Scottish club and will be on a low wage so there is no need for us to pay much for him. We can wait 6 months and sign him for free if we wanted to.
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Jack Hendry, £1.2m, Jan 2018
Lewis Morgan, £340k + loan, Jan 2018
Jonny Hayes, £1.3m + loan, Jun 2017
Ryan Christie, £500,000 + loan, Aug 2015
Scott Allan, £275,000 + loan, Aug 2015
Nadir Ciftci, £1.5m, Jul 2015
Stuart Armstrong, £1.75m, Feb 2015
Gary Mackay-Steven, £250,000, Feb 2015
Tony Watt, £100,000, Jan 2011
Anthony Stokes, £800,000, Aug 2010

Never really thought about it like this. That's an interesting post. Around an 8mil spend?
Looks like the sales of Watt and Armstrong see us break about even with 5 players still on our books.
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justinjest
5 Jul 2018, 02:29 PM
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5 Jul 2018, 02:26 PM
Hustler
5 Jul 2018, 01:48 PM
McGinn is one of those players that cos he plays for a smaller Scottish team, no-one gets excited about him but has the potential to be one that if he went to the EPL and flourish, you'd be kicking yourself. Just like McFadden in his pomp or James McCarthy.

For that reason, I'll twist and see how he gets on. I think he'll be a good signing.
We can afford it now as well. Sure we knocked McCarthy back because we were spending £2m on Ki.
we knocked back McCarthy because Mowbray didn't fancy him as a player - story I heard was that Hamilton offered us McCarthy, McArthur and Easton for a combined total of £1 million, as they were desperate for the money, but Mowbray knew better!!
No fecking way. :doh:
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