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John McGinn; Initial bid rejected by Hibs (confirmed by Garry Parker)
Topic Started: 4 Jul 2018, 09:10 PM (37,917 Views)
evan15
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5 Jul 2018, 12:36 PM
carries the ball extremely well, very strong ball winner and very hard to dispossess
Reasons I think he'll be a great addition to our squad.

As much as Brown puts himself about I think we could do with another in there who relishes a tackle.
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5 Jul 2018, 12:36 PM
Since I've been watching him for years ... I think he'll be a star if he goes to Celtic and you'll all love him. Great long passer, carries the ball extremely well, very strong ball winner and very hard to dispossess (he's worked really hard on upper body strength and it shows). His downsides are he has bad days when his high tempo short passing rythym goes a bit and that he doesn't score enough goals considering the positions he gets into. He's got a brilliant attitude to the game and life in general though.

In terms of our midfield last season, he's not as good at McGeouch at controlling passing tempo and he doesn't play quite as many killer passes as Allan, but he is easily the most complete player we had. With better players around him, he'll look even better.

Obviously Hibs can't command big fees because of where we are in the food chain, but I have no doubt he'll be a £10M+ player in a couple of years.

btw, Everton also matched the £4.4M we got from you for Scott Brown. The choice was up to him.

On Scott Allan, I can't believe Hibs don't want him back? Is it not more likely we just want to keep the deals separate? Because, let's face it, you're going to be offloading him for nothing in a few weeks anyway?
On the narrow point about Allan, I very much doubt we are about to offload him for nothing in a few weeks, when he still has a year of his contract to run. The exact same duration as McGinn.

We are not exactly in Ciftci territory with Allan. There is clearly some value there.
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Maybe right about Allan after all :lol: :ph43r:

Not what we need but happy to take.
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I don't think he's a long term replacement for Brown, but if McGinn had come through the ranks at Celtic exactly as Callum McGregor has I'm fairly certain that we'd be finding a way of getting him games. He's not so poor that he wouldn't make it into the team at all, but he's not so great that he would instantly depose Ntcham or Brown right now. He'll be a squad player that allows us to rest the likes of Brown and after a few years we can see where he's got to. It seems about as low risk as a prospective signing could possibly be.
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JeMeSouviens
5 Jul 2018, 12:36 PM
Since I've been watching him for years ... I think he'll be a star if he goes to Celtic and you'll all love him. Great long passer, carries the ball extremely well, very strong ball winner and very hard to dispossess (he's worked really hard on upper body strength and it shows). His downsides are he has bad days when his high tempo short passing rythym goes a bit and that he doesn't score enough goals considering the positions he gets into. He's got a brilliant attitude to the game and life in general though.

In terms of our midfield last season, he's not as good at McGeouch at controlling passing tempo and he doesn't play quite as many killer passes as Allan, but he is easily the most complete player we had. With better players around him, he'll look even better.

Obviously Hibs can't command big fees because of where we are in the food chain, but I have no doubt he'll be a £10M+ player in a couple of years.

btw, Everton also matched the £4.4M we got from you for Scott Brown. The choice was up to him.

On Scott Allan, I can't believe Hibs don't want him back? Is it not more likely we just want to keep the deals separate? Because, let's face it, you're going to be offloading him for nothing in a few weeks anyway?
On the narrow point about Allan, I very much doubt we are about to offload him for nothing in a few weeks, when he still has a year of his contract to run. The exact same duration as McGinn.

We are not exactly in Ciftci territory with Allan. There is clearly some value there.
He's been down south already and failed. He's been to Celtic and failed. He has value to Hibs or maybe Aberdeen but you're not going to get much cash out of either of us. Do you not think if he's still there as transfer window closes you'll be cutting your losses?
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5 Jul 2018, 01:11 PM
Forza
5 Jul 2018, 01:03 PM
JeMeSouviens
5 Jul 2018, 12:36 PM
Since I've been watching him for years ... I think he'll be a star if he goes to Celtic and you'll all love him. Great long passer, carries the ball extremely well, very strong ball winner and very hard to dispossess (he's worked really hard on upper body strength and it shows). His downsides are he has bad days when his high tempo short passing rythym goes a bit and that he doesn't score enough goals considering the positions he gets into. He's got a brilliant attitude to the game and life in general though.

In terms of our midfield last season, he's not as good at McGeouch at controlling passing tempo and he doesn't play quite as many killer passes as Allan, but he is easily the most complete player we had. With better players around him, he'll look even better.

Obviously Hibs can't command big fees because of where we are in the food chain, but I have no doubt he'll be a £10M+ player in a couple of years.

btw, Everton also matched the £4.4M we got from you for Scott Brown. The choice was up to him.

On Scott Allan, I can't believe Hibs don't want him back? Is it not more likely we just want to keep the deals separate? Because, let's face it, you're going to be offloading him for nothing in a few weeks anyway?
On the narrow point about Allan, I very much doubt we are about to offload him for nothing in a few weeks, when he still has a year of his contract to run. The exact same duration as McGinn.

We are not exactly in Ciftci territory with Allan. There is clearly some value there.
He's been down south already and failed. He's been to Celtic and failed. He has value to Hibs or maybe Aberdeen but you're not going to get much cash out of either of us. Do you not think if he's still there as transfer window closes you'll be cutting your losses?
I think there is a very decent chance that if Allan doesn't go to Hibs, Aberdeen very well might pay money for him and have the werewithal to do so, given they have lost Christie. They get to beat a rival and add a player who is above league average for a fee they've recently proved they can put out having done the same with GMS. They've added three midfielders but they were painfully weak there. But one of them is only 18, while the other two are a sitting midfielder and a wide midfielder. They've lost the player that plays off the front.

I certainly don't believe Celtic are in any way of a mind to let Allan go for nothing when he was one of the better players in the SPFL in the second half of last season.

He failed at an absolute basket club that got about 20 points in an entire Championship season by the way. I think everyone failed there.
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Allan to Aberdeen would be a great move for both the Sheep and the player. Would also give them strength in pushing for 2nd again.
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Forza
5 Jul 2018, 11:40 AM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
You think these gripes with Gordon are because he's Scottish?
Hendry gets worse treatment than Boyata?
Ralston & Christie who have shown little on loan?
A lot of players have their detractors, but if you think fans base their opinions on the players you mention due to their nationality you're very wrong IMO, as I'd say most could argue their points without having to mention nationality
Gordon gets a lot of flak. Some because of errors (despite many excellent stops that have saved us). Some of it is because of his previous at the Diets. It would be ludicrous to suggest otherwise.
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Hendry, with 11 Celtic games under his belt, gets worse treatment than Boyata, when he had 11 Celtic games under his belt. I don't think that is in any doubt. Totally written off, despite the fact people will feel justified about that.

Ralston was credited with turning around Dundee United's season and saving their manager's job, but fair enough he didn't obviously do much.

Christie won Aberdeen's 2016/17 Player of the Year despite being a loan player, but again, I guess he's not done too much. This is a club that finished second in everything to us in an undefeated Treble season. Certainly not enough to give him any credit obviously.
You're right

There's definitely a snobbery against Scottish players on this forum from some people.

McGinn is a good player and will do well for us
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McGinn is one of those players that cos he plays for a smaller Scottish team, no-one gets excited about him but has the potential to be one that if he went to the EPL and flourish, you'd be kicking yourself. Just like McFadden in his pomp or James McCarthy.

For that reason, I'll twist and see how he gets on. I think he'll be a good signing.
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McGinn is one of those players that cos he plays for a smaller Scottish team, no-one gets excited about him but has the potential to be one that if he went to the EPL and flourish, you'd be kicking yourself. Just like McFadden in his pomp or James McCarthy.

For that reason, I'll twist and see how he gets on. I think he'll be a good signing.
McFadden was absolute muck.
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Also the reason no one is getting excited about Lewis Morgan.

Who I think will turn into a regular for us by next season and surprise a few.
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McGinn is one of those players that cos he plays for a smaller Scottish team, no-one gets excited about him but has the potential to be one that if he went to the EPL and flourish, you'd be kicking yourself. Just like McFadden in his pomp or James McCarthy.

For that reason, I'll twist and see how he gets on. I think he'll be a good signing.
McFadden was absolute muck.
How dare you! :boxer:
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5 Jul 2018, 01:50 PM
Also the reason no one is getting excited about Lewis Morgan.

Who I think will turn into a regular for us by next season and surprise a few.
The last successful player we signed from an SPL side was Scott Brown.
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evan15
5 Jul 2018, 01:50 PM
Also the reason no one is getting excited about Lewis Morgan.

Who I think will turn into a regular for us by next season and surprise a few.
The last successful player we signed from an SPL side was Scott Brown.
I suppose the guy we just sold on for £7m couldn't be called a success.
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evan15
5 Jul 2018, 01:50 PM
Also the reason no one is getting excited about Lewis Morgan.

Who I think will turn into a regular for us by next season and surprise a few.
The last successful player we signed from an SPL side was Scott Brown.
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I don't think that there's a snobbery against Scottish players on here.

There is an argument that there's perhaps a snobbery against players bought from Scottish teams. But when you have a look at the recruits this decade, it's hard to make a strong case that we've been more successful than not.

Jack Hendry, £1.2m, Jan 2018
Lewis Morgan, £340k + loan, Jan 2018
Jonny Hayes, £1.3m + loan, Jun 2017
Ryan Christie, £500,000 + loan, Aug 2015
Scott Allan, £275,000 + loan, Aug 2015
Nadir Ciftci, £1.5m, Jul 2015
Stuart Armstrong, £1.75m, Feb 2015
Gary Mackay-Steven, £250,000, Feb 2015
Tony Watt, £100,000, Jan 2011
Anthony Stokes, £800,000, Aug 2010
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I like him, but we don't need him. We don't need anymore midfielders and I wish they'd just pack it in for a bit, jeezo.
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I don't think that there's a snobbery against Scottish players on here.

There is an argument that there's perhaps a snobbery against players bought from Scottish teams. But when you have a look at the recruits this decade, it's hard to make a strong case that we've been more successful than not.

Jack Hendry, £1.2m, Jan 2018
Lewis Morgan, £340k + loan, Jan 2018
Jonny Hayes, £1.3m + loan, Jun 2017
Ryan Christie, £500,000 + loan, Aug 2015
Scott Allan, £275,000 + loan, Aug 2015
Nadir Ciftci, £1.5m, Jul 2015
Stuart Armstrong, £1.75m, Feb 2015
Gary Mackay-Steven, £250,000, Feb 2015
Tony Watt, £100,000, Jan 2011
Anthony Stokes, £800,000, Aug 2010
We spent far more than that on our international cadre of duds in that same time frame.
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5 Jul 2018, 01:49 PM
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5 Jul 2018, 01:48 PM
McGinn is one of those players that cos he plays for a smaller Scottish team, no-one gets excited about him but has the potential to be one that if he went to the EPL and flourish, you'd be kicking yourself. Just like McFadden in his pomp or James McCarthy.

For that reason, I'll twist and see how he gets on. I think he'll be a good signing.
McFadden was absolute muck.
have always thought McFadden would have been sensational with us..we will never know

I like McGinn and would be very happy if he signs ...I think he will be a very good addition to our squad/team..as others have said, if we qualify for a European group we will have about 30 plus matches to play prior to Christmas!!..plenty room for rotation :thumbsup:

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Bawman
5 Jul 2018, 02:00 PM
Ghost of Fitzpas
5 Jul 2018, 01:57 PM
I don't think that there's a snobbery against Scottish players on here.

There is an argument that there's perhaps a snobbery against players bought from Scottish teams. But when you have a look at the recruits this decade, it's hard to make a strong case that we've been more successful than not.

Jack Hendry, £1.2m, Jan 2018
Lewis Morgan, £340k + loan, Jan 2018
Jonny Hayes, £1.3m + loan, Jun 2017
Ryan Christie, £500,000 + loan, Aug 2015
Scott Allan, £275,000 + loan, Aug 2015
Nadir Ciftci, £1.5m, Jul 2015
Stuart Armstrong, £1.75m, Feb 2015
Gary Mackay-Steven, £250,000, Feb 2015
Tony Watt, £100,000, Jan 2011
Anthony Stokes, £800,000, Aug 2010
We spent far more than that on our international cadre of duds in that same time frame.
I'm not arguing against that, but they're more difficult to group into easily snob-erable chunks.
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