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John McGinn; Initial bid rejected by Hibs (confirmed by Garry Parker)
Topic Started: 4 Jul 2018, 09:10 PM (37,920 Views)
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Please NO!!!!! Not good enough.
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Away ye go.
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John McGinn is a smashing player, hope it all goes through
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The glass half empty cos its a Scottish player approach is tiresome.
Tiresome indeed.......yeah everyone's down on the Scots at Celtic, I mean most cant wait to get rid of KT, Callum not good enough and Brown is finished FFS
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I think this will be a good signing.

He's got a job on his hands to break into the first XI ahead of one of Broony, Ntcham or McGregor. But, like Armstrong last season, he will at the least get some very decent game time. We could play close to 70 games this season so we need legs in midfield, especially given that Broony is now at a point where we really should be conserving him when we can.

I love his attitude and his energy. I wouldn't be surprised if he turns into an important player for us through sheer force of personality and effort.

And I think he can play a bit too. Europe will be a huge jump for him and it has been noticeable in his Scotland appearances that he is used to having more time on the ball that you get at international/European level, so he'll need to improve that pronto. But he's also shown a decent range of passing in his games against us.

He'll learn a lot from Brendan and Broony.
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I like him, is he worth what Hibs want for him though. For me, he isn't.

I'd like to see us wrap this up or move on. Defence needs sorted more than anything else.
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Admittedly I have only ever watched him in the games against us, playing for Scotland and the Cup Final against the Huns, along with some 5 minute Sportscene highlights. so being fair, I am probably not in a position to give a fair assessment of his ability.

Saying that, nothing that I have seen would make me want us to go out and buy him.
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5 Jul 2018, 09:56 AM

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While in the Championship their 2016 cup runs saw them pump Dundee United, Aberdeen and St Johnstone in the League Cup, then beaten by a Ross County team that despatched us with Scott Brown in the team.

Then Hearts, ICT and Dundee United in the Scottish Cup, before pumping a Sevco mob we couldn't beat, with Scott Brown in the team.

All of the above Premiership teams at the time apart from Sevco, who had actually been promoted to the Premiership about a month before they played in that cup final. They also beat Sevco a further twice in the league that season.

Under Lennon in the Championship they pumped Hearts, before narrowly losing a semi final against Aberdeen.

So in the two Championship seasons McGinn was there they lost narrowly twice in 12 Scottish and League Cup matches against Premiership opposition.

This is all before you consider they finished fourth last season having lost a mere seven games in the league. And the fact he won a League Cup with St Mirren when he was only 18. By the way, they beat us in the semi, in a game McGinn also played in.

The glass half empty cos its a Scottish player approach is tiresome.
It's not because he is a Scottish player. I have probably seen him play more (in the flesh) than you have. In the semi final v Aberdeen, for example, he was effing abysmal. His passing is erratic at best. All the games they beat SPL teams how did he play? You don't know do you.

And what relevance does the Sevco semi final have. Are you saying John McGinn is better than Scott Brown?
I've seen McGinn play heaps of times and not just against us. I've certainly not seen him play that much less than you, believe me. Some of us actually watch Scottish football outside of Celtic because we like it. I don't need to be at Easter Road to see it.

Including in many of the games mentioned. The Hearts cup games, the Sevco final, Aberdeen semi. Scotland games like the one against last 16 reaching Denmark ending with a win and him MoTM.

Think he scored the winner in the League Cup semi too. I also watched him in a Hibs team that won away against Brondby, albeit he missed a penalty.

I also saw him in the flesh four times last season against us, including the first game where he wrapped in a couple of goals. This is as Hibs avoided defeat on three out of five occasions, on top of the many other games where they proved too good for Sevco at Ibrox, and Aberdeen and Hearts at Easter Road.

Your point was that this Championship player never mastered Premiership opposition because he was in the Championship. Or something. He played 12 games against top flight opposition whilst a Championship player and Hibs lost a total of two of 12 games including replays, winning a final, getting to the other and reaching another semi. They also got a 2-2 split in the four Sevco games that season, while we got dumped out the cup from them.

That's before you consider what Hibs done last season. And also the fact he was winning a semi final and final when he was 18, including against us.

You seem to be telling me McGinn was pish in them all. Pish at Ibrox last season. Pish against Hearts. Pish against us.

This inability to give the lad any credit is absolutely tedious. His CV on his likely departure from Hibs exceeds Brown's. Whilst it would be ludicrous to draw any inferences on the future trajectory of his career compared to Brown's based on that, it's a total oversight to not recognise the potential for him to excel further in a much better team.

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The glass half empty cos its a Scottish player approach is tiresome.
Tiresome indeed.......yeah everyone's down on the Scots at Celtic, I mean most cant wait to get rid of KT, Callum not good enough and Brown is finished FFS
Hendry, Christie, Ralston. Celtic careers finished by many before they've played even 20 games. Constant gripes with Gordon.

Also look at the Armstrong thread for consistent mentions of his "good six months." :lol: A guy we bought for £1.6m, got 3.5 years out of and will clear £7m, having sold him to a Premier League team, from despite him having only a year left on his deal. Another player the faction were not convinced by. Griffiths is another.

McGregor and Forrest have spent a majority of their Celtic careers being called out as not good enough. I'll include myself in some of that to be perfectly fair.

They don't even need to be Celtic players. There's plenty that will still tell you Andy Robertson is shampooe. :cuckoo:

There's also the "underwhelmed" faction who can't get their head round the fact that Lewis Morgan might be a player of potential because he'll soon be 22, or something.

The way things have evolved with McGregor and Forrest I think I've learned to show a bit of patience towards these guys to see if they can grow to be a Celtic player.
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Until he pulls on the hoops and actually plays games for us nobody knows how good or bad he is going to be, how many fans of broonie didn't rate him when he first signed and how many wanted rid in his first few seasons ?

If he signs give the guy a chance, reading some of the stuff on here the guy is condemned before he has kicked a ball for us.
Very few people didn't rate Brown. It's revisionist nonsense.
Correct. For two years before we signed Scott Brown, he was being linked with every top club in England from Spurs to Liverpool, as well as ourselves and Oldco Rangers. He was considered one of the top prospect in Britain. The doubts about Brown only surfaced after he’d signed because he took a few years to really hit his stride.
Pretty sure that the only EPL teams seriously linked with Brown were lower end teams, like Reading and Middlesbrough. After he signed for Celtic, Brown justified not moving to England by saying that Reading could be relegated and he would disappear into obscurity with them. Caused a bit of sour grapes from Reading, who were relegated soon afterwards.

https://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/dillon-slams-brown-over-relegation-4258766

Brown was clearly higher rated than McGinn though, as the only English teams getting linked with McGinn are Championship teams. Although some of that difference will be due to the relative growth in wages over the last ten years (i.e. the bottom half EPL teams can afford / attract better quality from overseas now).
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It's not because he is a Scottish player. I have probably seen him play more (in the flesh) than you have. In the semi final v Aberdeen, for example, he was effing abysmal. His passing is erratic at best. All the games they beat SPL teams how did he play? You don't know do you.

And what relevance does the Sevco semi final have. Are you saying John McGinn is better than Scott Brown?
I've seen McGinn play heaps of times and not just against us. I've certainly not seen him play that much less than you, believe me. Some of us actually watch Scottish football outside of Celtic because we like it. I don't need to be at Easter Road to see it.

Including in many of the games mentioned. The Hearts cup games, the Sevco final, Aberdeen semi. Scotland games like the one against last 16 reaching Denmark ending with a win and him MoTM.

Think he scored the winner in the League Cup semi too. I also watched him in a Hibs team that won away against Brondby, albeit he missed a penalty.

I also saw him in the flesh four times last season against us, including the first game where he wrapped in a couple of goals. This is as Hibs avoided defeat on three out of five occasions, on top of the many other games where they proved too good for Sevco at Ibrox, and Aberdeen and Hearts at Easter Road.

Your point was that this Championship player never mastered Premiership opposition because he was in the Championship. Or something. He played 12 games against top flight opposition whilst a Championship player and Hibs lost a total of two of 12 games including replays, winning a final, getting to the other and reaching another semi. They also got a 2-2 split in the four Sevco games that season, while we got dumped out the cup from them.

That's before you consider what Hibs done last season. And also the fact he was winning a semi final and final when he was 18, including against us.

You seem to be telling me McGinn was pish in them all. Pish at Ibrox last season. Pish against Hearts. Pish against us.

This inability to give the lad any credit is absolutely tedious. His CV on his likely departure from Hibs exceeds Brown's. Whilst it would be ludicrous to draw any inferences on the future trajectory of his career compared to Brown's based on that, it's a total oversight to not recognise the potential for him to excel further in a much better team.

I didn't say he was pish. You are making up stuff to suit your viewpoint.

I don't believe he is good enough for Celtic but I hope to be proved wrong.
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I've seen McGinn play heaps of times and not just against us. I've certainly not seen him play that much less than you, believe me. Some of us actually watch Scottish football outside of Celtic because we like it. I don't need to be at Easter Road to see it.

Including in many of the games mentioned. The Hearts cup games, the Sevco final, Aberdeen semi. Scotland games like the one against last 16 reaching Denmark ending with a win and him MoTM.

Think he scored the winner in the League Cup semi too. I also watched him in a Hibs team that won away against Brondby, albeit he missed a penalty.

I also saw him in the flesh four times last season against us, including the first game where he wrapped in a couple of goals. This is as Hibs avoided defeat on three out of five occasions, on top of the many other games where they proved too good for Sevco at Ibrox, and Aberdeen and Hearts at Easter Road.

Your point was that this Championship player never mastered Premiership opposition because he was in the Championship. Or something. He played 12 games against top flight opposition whilst a Championship player and Hibs lost a total of two of 12 games including replays, winning a final, getting to the other and reaching another semi. They also got a 2-2 split in the four Sevco games that season, while we got dumped out the cup from them.

That's before you consider what Hibs done last season. And also the fact he was winning a semi final and final when he was 18, including against us.

You seem to be telling me McGinn was pish in them all. Pish at Ibrox last season. Pish against Hearts. Pish against us.

This inability to give the lad any credit is absolutely tedious. His CV on his likely departure from Hibs exceeds Brown's. Whilst it would be ludicrous to draw any inferences on the future trajectory of his career compared to Brown's based on that, it's a total oversight to not recognise the potential for him to excel further in a much better team.

I didn't say he was pish. You are making up stuff to suit your viewpoint.

I don't believe he is good enough for Celtic but I hope to be proved wrong.
Yeah, you're right. You didn't say he was pish.

You said he was was "effing abysmal."

Griffiths, Gordon, Armstrong are just three examples of players plenty put in that same "not good enough for Celtic" category.

The SPFL may not be any kind of high watermark, but I am guessing that if you could ask Brown or plenty other senior Celtic players if they could take one player from the rest of the League (especially now that Armstrong has gone), McGinn would probably feature highest. Call it gut feeling and not evidential, but there's a respect there.

Compare and contrast with Brown's comments about Shinnie last season.
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The glass half empty cos its a Scottish player approach is tiresome.
Tiresome indeed.......yeah everyone's down on the Scots at Celtic, I mean most cant wait to get rid of KT, Callum not good enough and Brown is finished FFS
Hendry, Christie, Ralston. Celtic careers finished by many before they've played even 20 games. Constant gripes with Gordon.

Also look at the Armstrong thread for consistent mentions of his "good six months." :lol: A guy we bought for £1.6m, got 3.5 years out of and will clear £7m, having sold him to a Premier League team, from despite him having only a year left on his deal. Another player the faction were not convinced by. Griffiths is another.

McGregor and Forrest have spent a majority of their Celtic careers being called out as not good enough. I'll include myself in some of that to be perfectly fair.

They don't even need to be Celtic players. There's plenty that will still tell you Andy Robertson is shampooe. :cuckoo:

There's also the "underwhelmed" faction who can't get their head round the fact that Lewis Morgan might be a player of potential because he'll soon be 22, or something.

The way things have evolved with McGregor and Forrest I think I've learned to show a bit of patience towards these guys to see if they can grow to be a Celtic player.
You think these gripes with Gordon are because he's Scottish?
Hendry gets worse treatment than Boyata?
Ralston & Christie who have shown little on loan?
A lot of players have their detractors, but if you think fans base their opinions on the players you mention due to their nationality you're very wrong IMO, as I'd say most could argue their points without having to mention nationality
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I didn't say he was pish. You are making up stuff to suit your viewpoint.

I don't believe he is good enough for Celtic but I hope to be proved wrong.
Yeah, you're right. You didn't say he was pish.

You said he was was "effing abysmal."

Griffiths, Gordon, Armstrong are just three examples of players plenty put in that same "not good enough for Celtic" category.

The SPFL may not be any kind of high watermark, but I am guessing that if you could ask Brown or plenty other senior Celtic players if they could take one player from the rest of the League (especially now that Armstrong has gone), McGinn would probably feature highest. Call it gut feeling and not evidential, but there's a respect there.

Compare and contrast with Brown's comments about Shinnie last season.
I said he was abysmal in one specific game. A game you mentioned as Hibs beat a team from a higher league.

You should stop now. You love him. I don't. You believe he will be a success. I hope he will.

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as I said earlier, we'll make him a better player but I can't see him making us a better team.
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If remy is correct I wonder why hibs are not interested in scott allan

Probably a wage thing
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Hendry, Christie, Ralston. Celtic careers finished by many before they've played even 20 games. Constant gripes with Gordon.

Also look at the Armstrong thread for consistent mentions of his "good six months." :lol: A guy we bought for £1.6m, got 3.5 years out of and will clear £7m, having sold him to a Premier League team, from despite him having only a year left on his deal. Another player the faction were not convinced by. Griffiths is another.

McGregor and Forrest have spent a majority of their Celtic careers being called out as not good enough. I'll include myself in some of that to be perfectly fair.

They don't even need to be Celtic players. There's plenty that will still tell you Andy Robertson is shampooe. :cuckoo:

There's also the "underwhelmed" faction who can't get their head round the fact that Lewis Morgan might be a player of potential because he'll soon be 22, or something.

The way things have evolved with McGregor and Forrest I think I've learned to show a bit of patience towards these guys to see if they can grow to be a Celtic player.
You think these gripes with Gordon are because he's Scottish?
Hendry gets worse treatment than Boyata?
Ralston & Christie who have shown little on loan?
A lot of players have their detractors, but if you think fans base their opinions on the players you mention due to their nationality you're very wrong IMO, as I'd say most could argue their points without having to mention nationality
Gordon gets a lot of flak. Some because of errors (despite many excellent stops that have saved us). Some of it is because of his previous at the Diets. It would be ludicrous to suggest otherwise.

Hendry, with 11 Celtic games under his belt, gets worse treatment than Boyata, when he had 11 Celtic games under his belt. I don't think that is in any doubt. Totally written off, despite the fact people will feel justified about that.

Ralston was credited with turning around Dundee United's season and saving their manager's job, but fair enough he didn't obviously do much.

Christie won Aberdeen's 2016/17 Player of the Year despite being a loan player, but again, I guess he's not done too much. This is a club that finished second in everything to us in an undefeated Treble season. Certainly not enough to give him any credit obviously.
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I think McGinn will surprise a few people on here. Can drive from midfield and got a goal in him too.
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