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John McGinn; Initial bid rejected by Hibs (confirmed by Garry Parker)
Topic Started: 4 Jul 2018, 09:10 PM (37,921 Views)
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He’s decent. I’m unconvinced he can make the step up though. Hopefully I’m wrong.
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In today's market we are paying a relatively small fee for John McGinn. He has proven over a few seasons that he can out perform consistently most other midfielders in the SPFL. I can see Broony being rested in a few run of the mill games this season and McGinn can definitely do a job. Hopefully he will improve under Brendan and be a player who can also perform well in Europe given time.


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5 Jul 2018, 09:46 AM
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5 Jul 2018, 09:35 AM
Until he pulls on the hoops and actually plays games for us nobody knows how good or bad he is going to be, how many fans of broonie didn't rate him when he first signed and how many wanted rid in his first few seasons ?

If he signs give the guy a chance, reading some of the stuff on here the guy is condemned before he has kicked a ball for us.
Very few people didn't rate Brown. It's revisionist nonsense.
Correct. For two years before we signed Scott Brown, he was being linked with every top club in England from Spurs to Liverpool, as well as ourselves and Oldco Rangers. He was considered one of the top prospect in Britain. The doubts about Brown only surfaced after he’d signed because he took a few years to really hit his stride.
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FergusMcGrain
5 Jul 2018, 09:54 AM
In today's market we are paying a relatively small fee for John McGinn. He has proven over a few seasons that he can out perform consistently most other midfielders in the SPFL. I can see Broony being rested in a few run of the mill games this season and McGinn can definitely do a job. Hopefully he will improve under Brendan and be a player who can also perform well in Europe given time.


He was in the Championship for two years prior to last season. Before that he was relegated at St Mirren. He has not proven he can outperform most other midfielders in the premier league.
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5 Jul 2018, 09:26 AM
McGinn isn't good enough to improve us immediately but hopefully he'll be a good squad player initially and improve over time. In saying that the majority of fans will no doubt enjoy his all action contributions. Me included. Definitely think the club are doing this the correct way. Try and get him as cheap as possible.
Agree with this. I think he'll prove to be a good signing.

We need a core of players that will be here for the long run and will be reliable.
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remy mcswain
5 Jul 2018, 09:56 AM
FergusMcGrain
5 Jul 2018, 09:54 AM
In today's market we are paying a relatively small fee for John McGinn. He has proven over a few seasons that he can out perform consistently most other midfielders in the SPFL. I can see Broony being rested in a few run of the mill games this season and McGinn can definitely do a job. Hopefully he will improve under Brendan and be a player who can also perform well in Europe given time.


He was in the Championship for two years prior to last season. Before that he was relegated at St Mirren. He has not proven he can outperform most other midfielders in the premier league.
Fair point, but since Lenny went to Hibs I've took a greater interest in them and he IMO outperformed most last season.

Anyway, going by what you are saying McGinn will be a Celtic player, so might as well be as positive as we can.

He shows a lot more potential than many others we have signed in the last few years.

Ps I'm not 100% convinced myself :)
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Can't make up my mind on this aside from if BR wants it then I trust him to know what he's doing. Please just get on with it though!!
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Don't think we need him, I'd rather spend the entire remaining budget addressing the two defensive positions and have a feeling he'll simply be this summers Johnny Hayes / Ryan Christie.

Hopefully he will prove me wrong but the success rate for the "he always plays well against us" SPFL signings isn't great.
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remy mcswain
5 Jul 2018, 09:56 AM
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5 Jul 2018, 09:54 AM
In today's market we are paying a relatively small fee for John McGinn. He has proven over a few seasons that he can out perform consistently most other midfielders in the SPFL. I can see Broony being rested in a few run of the mill games this season and McGinn can definitely do a job. Hopefully he will improve under Brendan and be a player who can also perform well in Europe given time.


He was in the Championship for two years prior to last season. Before that he was relegated at St Mirren. He has not proven he can outperform most other midfielders in the premier league.
My mate raved about him when he was with st mirren so I always watched him and seen him play well at Celtic Park both with st mirren and hibs where if I remember correctly he scored 1 or 2 goals last season.He also played well at Easter road when we equalised late on.Oly time will tell if he becomes a good signing but that’s the same for every signing.
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5 Jul 2018, 09:46 AM
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5 Jul 2018, 09:35 AM
Until he pulls on the hoops and actually plays games for us nobody knows how good or bad he is going to be, how many fans of broonie didn't rate him when he first signed and how many wanted rid in his first few seasons ?

If he signs give the guy a chance, reading some of the stuff on here the guy is condemned before he has kicked a ball for us.
Very few people didn't rate Brown. It's revisionist nonsense.
It's true that there aren't many who didn't rate Brown before we signed him, but it's equally true that there were plenty of us who weren't so impressed with him in his first year with us. We obviously didn't know what was going on with his sister at the time, but plenty of us thought he'd failed to make the step up as expected. I think he was player of the year in the season after that, but even then I'm pretty sure a few of us were still bemoaning his poor passing for a year or two. It probably wasn't until Lennon became manager that snipes at Brown became rare, at least until that rough patch under Deila when his hip wasn't right.

Lots of players do get better as they get a bit older, it's why they're referred to as being in their prime between around 26-30 years old. Given that McGinn will be hitting that sort of age around the same time as Brown will be retiring, it's easy enough to see the logic in signing him. He might not quite be good enough now to be first choice, but with a bit of luck he could end up being part of the team for the next 7-8 years at least.
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Please NO!!!!! Not good enough.
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He is a good player but as things stand no better than the good first choice midfield players we already have even with Armstrong away - We have much more pressing areas that need sorted and most importantly needing improved upon- Looking down the line to the future re a Brown type replacement or whatever I can understand McGinn coming in but again even if he kicked on under Rodgers I very much doubt he can kick on to a level that takes Celtic to another level which is what Brendan said he wants to do with Celtic.

I can see Rodgers is putting in the building blocks for the future which I am happy with - Tierney may or may not be giving him and us a major boot in the baws re that planning, time will tell and tbh that is up to Tierney - McGinn for me is at best a "standing still" type signing (i hope he proves me wrong) which more and more seems to be what is happening with Brendan - We are as minted as we have ever been and yet I am beginning to think with the difficulty in competing to get" next level" players to Celtic within our financial constraints (which exist despite our financial footing being brilliant by ur standards) that Brendan maybe is realising this "last 16 of the CL regularly" is a step beyond for us - Again I hope that not the case but McGinn isnot the type of signing to get us there.

The default back up scenario for a financial European feck up of having a sellable player to make up the deficit which kicked in with McGeady is still part of the model - We will always have a buy young, develop and improve and then sell on at a profit model going on which is good for us financially but when we have a major hit like McGeady/Wanayam/Forster/VVD we are covered for failure in Europe - That is why we got landed with so much unbelievable shiiite in the "quantity over quality"/ "hope we get lucky" era - When we keep having to sell our best players the team can't build to a much better level of competing - That scenario isn't going to change as we will sell and the best players will want to move on for financial gain that we can't do anything about - We are sitting with Tierney/Nitcham/Dembele/Edouard all who could go for mega bucks at some point in time but selling them does us no favours whatsoever on the park.

Anyways Parker has confirned we are in for McGinn so we will get him - There is a lot of indifference (myself included) but once he arrives let's back the Bhoy and hope he can do us a turn.
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5 Jul 2018, 10:19 AM
Please NO!!!!! Not good enough.
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5 Jul 2018, 09:54 AM
In today's market we are paying a relatively small fee for John McGinn. He has proven over a few seasons that he can out perform consistently most other midfielders in the SPFL. I can see Broony being rested in a few run of the mill games this season and McGinn can definitely do a job. Hopefully he will improve under Brendan and be a player who can also perform well in Europe given time.


He was in the Championship for two years prior to last season. Before that he was relegated at St Mirren. He has not proven he can outperform most other midfielders in the premier league.
While in the Championship their 2016 cup runs saw them pump Dundee United, Aberdeen and St Johnstone in the League Cup, then beaten by a Ross County team that despatched us with Scott Brown in the team.

Then Hearts, ICT and Dundee United in the Scottish Cup, before pumping a Sevco mob we couldn't beat, with Scott Brown in the team.

All of the above Premiership teams at the time apart from Sevco, who had actually been promoted to the Premiership about a month before they played in that cup final. They also beat Sevco a further twice in the league that season.

Under Lennon in the Championship they pumped Hearts, before narrowly losing a semi final against Aberdeen.

So in the two Championship seasons McGinn was there they lost narrowly twice in 12 Scottish and League Cup matches against Premiership opposition.

This is all before you consider they finished fourth last season having lost a mere seven games in the league. And the fact he won a League Cup with St Mirren when he was only 18. By the way, they beat us in the semi, in a game McGinn also played in.

The glass half empty cos its a Scottish player approach is tiresome.
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I'm in the no camp. He will not improve the first 11, and fits in with Allan, Bitton, Kouassi for me.

If he signs I will back him though, and hopefully he proves me wrong
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5 Jul 2018, 10:36 AM
I'm in the no camp. He will not improve the first 11, and fits in with Allan, Bitton, Kouassi for me.

If he signs I will back him though, and hopefully he proves me wrong
Pretty much sums up my thoughts on it too.
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5 Jul 2018, 09:59 AM
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McGinn isn't good enough to improve us immediately but hopefully he'll be a good squad player initially and improve over time. In saying that the majority of fans will no doubt enjoy his all action contributions. Me included. Definitely think the club are doing this the correct way. Try and get him as cheap as possible.
Agree with this. I think he'll prove to be a good signing.

We need a core of players that will be here for the long run and will be reliable.
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I'm in the no camp. He will not improve the first 11, and fits in with Allan, Bitton, Kouassi for me.

If he signs I will back him though, and hopefully he proves me wrong
IMO hes better than all 3 of the above players. Hope he can improve his game even more. BR does this with players.


Everyone is writing the guy off and not giving him a fair chance.
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5 Jul 2018, 10:19 AM
Please NO!!!!! Not good enough.
I understand folk have reservations but you'd think we're signing Keith Lasley based on some of the reactions.
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5 Jul 2018, 10:28 AM
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5 Jul 2018, 09:56 AM
FergusMcGrain
5 Jul 2018, 09:54 AM
In today's market we are paying a relatively small fee for John McGinn. He has proven over a few seasons that he can out perform consistently most other midfielders in the SPFL. I can see Broony being rested in a few run of the mill games this season and McGinn can definitely do a job. Hopefully he will improve under Brendan and be a player who can also perform well in Europe given time.


He was in the Championship for two years prior to last season. Before that he was relegated at St Mirren. He has not proven he can outperform most other midfielders in the premier league.
While in the Championship their 2016 cup runs saw them pump Dundee United, Aberdeen and St Johnstone in the League Cup, then beaten by a Ross County team that despatched us with Scott Brown in the team.

Then Hearts, ICT and Dundee United in the Scottish Cup, before pumping a Sevco mob we couldn't beat, with Scott Brown in the team.

All of the above Premiership teams at the time apart from Sevco, who had actually been promoted to the Premiership about a month before they played in that cup final. They also beat Sevco a further twice in the league that season.

Under Lennon in the Championship they pumped Hearts, before narrowly losing a semi final against Aberdeen.

So in the two Championship seasons McGinn was there they lost narrowly twice in 12 Scottish and League Cup matches against Premiership opposition.

This is all before you consider they finished fourth last season having lost a mere seven games in the league. And the fact he won a League Cup with St Mirren when he was only 18. By the way, they beat us in the semi, in a game McGinn also played in.

The glass half empty cos its a Scottish player approach is tiresome.
It's not because he is a Scottish player. I have probably seen him play more (in the flesh) than you have. In the semi final v Aberdeen, for example, he was effing abysmal. His passing is erratic at best. All the games they beat SPL teams how did he play? You don't know do you.

And what relevance does the Sevco semi final have. Are you saying John McGinn is better than Scott Brown?
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