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John McGinn; Initial bid rejected by Hibs (confirmed by Garry Parker)
Topic Started: 4 Jul 2018, 09:10 PM (37,907 Views)
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Can see us laughing back at the comments of people not wanting to sign him on here.

Maybe not what we need right now but he will be moulded into a fantastic player and be one of our most important players in a couple of seasons.
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8 Jul 2018, 02:32 PM
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8 Jul 2018, 12:40 PM
Can’t help but think that Hibs are right to hold out for 3m in this instance.

We just sold a player who wasn’t even in our first XI for £7m. Nearly everyone on here would have been happy with 3 at the time.
It would be better to have him in and around the squad ASAP if he is coming, he will develop far quicker with better players around him.

That’s a bit more useful than wasting 6 months for the sake of £1m which by our standards is becoming an increasingly less significant amount.

Hibs can 'hold out' for whatever they want. That's their prerogative.

Why would we pay £3m for a player who is not going to go straight into our first team ? Particularly if we can get the same player for £500k in January or for nothing in June ?

Just because we have money does not mean that we should be giving it away.

And if Hibs then choose to sideline McGinn for this season, at least it means he won't get the dreaded career-ending injury that people are worrying about. Unless it happens when he is training with the youths because these career-ending injuries can happen at any time...



What if 6 months experience in and around our first team squad and getting a couple of champions league appearances meant his value would likely be worth more than what we would be trying to stiff Hibs for.

What is the point in letting him play a half arsed 6 months at Hibs, and why would Hibs even bother to play him.
Exactly. I think the idea of getting one over Petrie is tempting, but it doesn't do anyone any good to have him rotting away at Hibs for 6 months, or worse, another year. If the club are serious about him, and believe he's good enough to come in and challenge for a place at Celtic than 3 million to get him in now and start learning from Brown is a fair price in this day and age.
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8 Jul 2018, 02:42 PM
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8 Jul 2018, 01:51 PM
Kouassi’s better and is already ours.
I wish there was some evidence to support this but there isn’t. I keep reading about Kouassi being great yet he hasn’t got near the team in 18 months. I hope he blossoms the way Tom Rogic has time will tell.
John McGinn has had more good games against Celtic than Kouassi has had for us. It's pretty telling that Brendan didn't feature him in any of the various dead rubber fixtures at the end of last season. I think there's potential there but he needs some time on loan.
This. He clearly isn’t fancied, at the moment anyway. I’m not surprised on the evidence so far, though admittedly that’s very limited.
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8 Jul 2018, 01:51 PM
Kouassi’s better and is already ours.
I've not seen any evidence to support this. McGinn has played consistently for Hibs and played well. How many games has Kouassi played. Appreciate injury has stalled his progress but he hasn't produced any form that would eclipse some of the performances McGinn put in for Hivs last season.
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8 Jul 2018, 02:37 PM
McGinn has one advantage over eboue


He would actually play games regularly here as a sub or rotating with ntcham

Not just the one game at home vs killie that eboue played last season
I know you're being a tad facetious in your point, but I never got my head round Eboue being bombed out of the team after the Zenit away game.

Was excellent in the home game and although he was poor in the away game, he wasn't the worst. Strange all round.
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If we were to pay £3m for him, I wonder how much we'll have invested in other Scottish clubs recently - not including the CL payments they get from us.
Hayes £1.5m
Christie £500k
Hendry £1.5m
Morgan £500k
Armstrong/GMS £2.5m

A fair amount all considered.

About £10m plus the CL payments they get because of us.
Most of the best Scottish players are with us now. Gordon & Bain were free.
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8 Jul 2018, 02:52 PM
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8 Jul 2018, 02:37 PM
McGinn has one advantage over eboue


He would actually play games regularly here as a sub or rotating with ntcham

Not just the one game at home vs killie that eboue played last season
I know you're being a tad facetious in your point, but I never got my head round Eboue being bombed out of the team after the Zenit away game.

Was excellent in the home game and although he was poor in the away game, he wasn't the worst. Strange all round.
Not that anyone played well that day but I remember him being terrible against Killie at Rugby Park.

Don't know if this was after or before Zenit though.
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If we pay the £3m for him which a lot of us believe is too much just to get him here. Then we are basically adding, i'll guess about 2 years wages for the guy onto the whole deal. This money could be spent where it is needed now at CB and RB. It also sends out the wrong message I think to other clubs who think we will just pay up because we have a few bob at the moment.

Celtic aren't stiffing anyone.
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8 Jul 2018, 02:53 PM
If we were to pay £3m for him, I wonder how much we'll have invested in other Scottish clubs recently - not including the CL payments they get from us.
Hayes £1.5m
Christie £500k
Hendry £1.5m
Morgan £500k
Armstrong/GMS £2.5m

A fair amount all considered.
There really is nothing wrong with redistributing our wealth across the domestic league.

There can be no complaints about playing in a week league if we want to play hardball over every last penny on domestic transfers. In any case, It’s not that frequently that we find ourselves buying someone from another SPL side, I don’t mind paying a little bit more.

We get helped out with good deals from big EPL sides getting players on loan we would never be able to afford. We save some cash, but spend a bit more to help the neighbours keep their gardens tidy. It’s the circle of life, innit.
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8 Jul 2018, 02:32 PM
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8 Jul 2018, 12:40 PM
Can’t help but think that Hibs are right to hold out for 3m in this instance.

We just sold a player who wasn’t even in our first XI for £7m. Nearly everyone on here would have been happy with 3 at the time.
It would be better to have him in and around the squad ASAP if he is coming, he will develop far quicker with better players around him.

That’s a bit more useful than wasting 6 months for the sake of £1m which by our standards is becoming an increasingly less significant amount.

Hibs can 'hold out' for whatever they want. That's their prerogative.

Why would we pay £3m for a player who is not going to go straight into our first team ? Particularly if we can get the same player for £500k in January or for nothing in June ?

Just because we have money does not mean that we should be giving it away.

And if Hibs then choose to sideline McGinn for this season, at least it means he won't get the dreaded career-ending injury that people are worrying about. Unless it happens when he is training with the youths because these career-ending injuries can happen at any time...



What if 6 months experience in and around our first team squad and getting a couple of champions league appearances meant his value would likely be worth more than what we would be trying to stiff Hibs for.

What is the point in letting him play a half arsed 6 months at Hibs, and why would Hibs even bother to play him.

Are we trying to stiff Hibs ?

Or are Hibs trying to stiff us ?


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8 Jul 2018, 12:58 PM

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What if 6 months experience in and around our first team squad and getting a couple of champions league appearances meant his value would likely be worth more than what we would be trying to stiff Hibs for.

What is the point in letting him play a half arsed 6 months at Hibs, and why would Hibs even bother to play him.
There is genuinely no chance that Hibs don't sell him in this window. Our main options are to pay what Hibs want, or wait and drive the price down; the latter of which risks losing him to someone who is willing to pay Hibs' asking price. But McGinn will be holding out for Celtic regardless, so whatever happens, it will happen in this window.


What if the player is holding out for Celtic and Celtic are not prepared to meet Hibs' valuation ?


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8 Jul 2018, 02:32 PM
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8 Jul 2018, 12:58 PM

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What if 6 months experience in and around our first team squad and getting a couple of champions league appearances meant his value would likely be worth more than what we would be trying to stiff Hibs for.

What is the point in letting him play a half arsed 6 months at Hibs, and why would Hibs even bother to play him.

Are we trying to stiff Hibs ?

Or are Hibs trying to stiff us ?


We paid £4m for Scott Brown 10 years ago.

Since then we seem to be making a tidy profit selling players to the EPL for inflated transfer fees.

If McGinn is a player that Rodgers wants for his first team then to us he immediately becomes worth more than the £3m or whatever we pay for him.
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8 Jul 2018, 03:03 PM
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8 Jul 2018, 02:53 PM
If we were to pay £3m for him, I wonder how much we'll have invested in other Scottish clubs recently - not including the CL payments they get from us.
Hayes £1.5m
Christie £500k
Hendry £1.5m
Morgan £500k
Armstrong/GMS £2.5m

A fair amount all considered.
There really is nothing wrong with redistributing our wealth across the domestic league.

There can be no complaints about playing in a week league if we want to play hardball over every last penny on domestic transfers. In any case, It’s not that frequently that we find ourselves buying someone from another SPL side, I don’t mind paying a little bit more.

We get helped out with good deals from big EPL sides getting players on loan we would never be able to afford. We save some cash, but spend a bit more to help the neighbours keep their gardens tidy. It’s the circle of life, innit.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with redistributing cash into the SPFL, I'm happy with it & see it as good value overall - especially as we wouldn't get caught with a Compper style situation, as we'd know pretty much EVERYTHING about any SPFL player we show interest in.

CL payments, loan system & buying SPFL players is all great from Celtic to other clubs, our goodwill & leadership should hopefully bring the league on further (sorry to take off thread topic). Also the amount of improvement to Scottish internationalists, co-efficient etc.

If Scotland is to make improvements, then Celtic are pushing it - McGinn will sign & be another example of us helping Scottish football imo.
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8 Jul 2018, 02:44 PM
Can see us laughing back at the comments of people not wanting to sign him on here.

Maybe not what we need right now but he will be moulded into a fantastic player and be one of our most important players in a couple of seasons.
Or more likely turn out to be like Allan.

Pretty pish player.
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Are we trying to stiff Hibs ?

Or are Hibs trying to stiff us ?


We paid £4m for Scott Brown 10 years ago.

Since then we seem to be making a tidy profit selling players to the EPL for inflated transfer fees.

If McGinn is a player that Rodgers wants for his first team then to us he immediately becomes worth more than the £3m or whatever we pay for him.

What we paid for a player ten years ago has less than no bearing on what we will pay for a player today.


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Can see us laughing back at the comments of people not wanting to sign him on here.

Maybe not what we need right now but he will be moulded into a fantastic player and be one of our most important players in a couple of seasons.
Or more likely turn out to be like Allan.

Pretty pish player.
Allans a hun

Never gonny work
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evan15
8 Jul 2018, 02:44 PM
Can see us laughing back at the comments of people not wanting to sign him on here.

Maybe not what we need right now but he will be moulded into a fantastic player and be one of our most important players in a couple of seasons.
Or more likely turn out to be like Allan.

Pretty pish player.
Allans a hun

Never gonny work
McGinn is shampooe at football which also won’t work.
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8 Jul 2018, 03:21 PM
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8 Jul 2018, 02:44 PM
Can see us laughing back at the comments of people not wanting to sign him on here.

Maybe not what we need right now but he will be moulded into a fantastic player and be one of our most important players in a couple of seasons.
Or more likely turn out to be like Allan.

Pretty pish player.
Scott Alan was a Championship player who was signed on a whim to bulk up the squad and annoy Rangers. McGinn by all accounts has a great Premiership season and has a bit of the box-to-box running we are lacking now Armstrong has left. I am fully on board with seeing if McGinn can grow to be the player who can fill that gap, even if the price is steeper than we'd like.
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There is genuinely no chance that Hibs don't sell him in this window. Our main options are to pay what Hibs want, or wait and drive the price down; the latter of which risks losing him to someone who is willing to pay Hibs' asking price. But McGinn will be holding out for Celtic regardless, so whatever happens, it will happen in this window.


What if the player is holding out for Celtic and Celtic are not prepared to meet Hibs' valuation ?


Hibs cut a deal where we pay more than we'd like and they get less than they'd like i.e. a successful negotiation. They need that money more than we need John McGinn, which puts us in the driving seat, along with the player's own preference of course.
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8 Jul 2018, 02:44 PM
Can see us laughing back at the comments of people not wanting to sign him on here.

Maybe not what we need right now but he will be moulded into a fantastic player and be one of our most important players in a couple of seasons.
Or more likely turn out to be like Allan.

Pretty pish player.
Scott Alan was a Championship player who was signed on a whim to bulk up the squad and annoy Rangers. McGinn by all accounts has a great Premiership season and has a bit of the box-to-box running we are lacking now Armstrong has left. I am fully on board with seeing if McGinn can grow to be the player who can fill that gap, even if the price is steeper than we'd like.
He will be 24 this year. Not a lot of growing left. And he is pish.
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