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Unfair/Stupid Rules in Football; Time for a change?
Topic Started: 3 Jul 2018, 09:18 PM (6,032 Views)
Cardross Bhoy
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DKB
5 Jul 2018, 09:09 PM
Cardross Bhoy
5 Jul 2018, 09:05 PM
Player fouls his opponent and the opponent has to go off for treatment - the fouling player has to go off until the fouled player comes back on. It's not fair that the team who's player is off for a couple of minutes are at a disadvantage when it's the other team's player who was in the wrong. Especially if said player goes up the park and scores!

I don't think denying a clear goalscoring opportunity im the box should result in a penalty AND red card. It's like a double punishment for a single offence. It should only be a red card if the challenge was worthy of a sending off in it's own right.
so a player (lets say a left back) fake an injury (Neymar style) by the opposition star central defender, gets of the field and forces the other teams star defender with him leaving the way open for an easy goal
It wouldn't necessarily leave the way open for an easy goal though. I see what you're saying but the player in your analogy (left back) would equally be leaving his own team's left flank wide open to be exploited. It would a risky game to play.

But aye, if we're talking efe ambrose feigning injury against say, Ronaldo then I agree the whole thing is flawed :lol:

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Cardross Bhoy
5 Jul 2018, 09:28 PM
DKB
5 Jul 2018, 09:09 PM
Cardross Bhoy
5 Jul 2018, 09:05 PM
Player fouls his opponent and the opponent has to go off for treatment - the fouling player has to go off until the fouled player comes back on. It's not fair that the team who's player is off for a couple of minutes are at a disadvantage when it's the other team's player who was in the wrong. Especially if said player goes up the park and scores!

I don't think denying a clear goalscoring opportunity im the box should result in a penalty AND red card. It's like a double punishment for a single offence. It should only be a red card if the challenge was worthy of a sending off in it's own right.
so a player (lets say a left back) fake an injury (Neymar style) by the opposition star central defender, gets of the field and forces the other teams star defender with him leaving the way open for an easy goal
It wouldn't necessarily leave the way open for an easy goal though. I see what you're saying but the player in your analogy (left back) would equally be leaving his own team's left flank wide open to be exploited. It would a risky game to play.

But aye, if we're talking efe ambrose feigning injury against say, Ronaldo then I agree the whole thing is flawed :lol:

Any ice hockey fans about, is this not a tactic in ice hockey, where they will send a shampooe player on to fight their good.player and both get sin binned.?
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4 Jul 2018, 05:55 AM
Quite happy with the crackdown on wrestling at corners (our last 16 tie against Juve would have been very different if it had been in place then). Also think VAR has broadly done more good than wrong, given refs another opportunity to get things right, it’s not meant to make them infallible.

I’d like to see offside go back to the interpretation of “clear daylight” between last man and attacker - ie really blatantly offside, not his knee was offside and all that shengus
Totally agree. I have said the same thing many times and it would be in logical line with other rules such as the whole ball must be over the whole line. So the whole player should be offside, not part of him. It's a tough enough situation for linesmen to spot anyway, so why not make it easier for them. It would also result in more goals imo because nearly all decisions that are now borderline would be called in favour of the attacker,
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Cut the pish out where defenders block the attacker and make no attempt to play the ball to win a goal kick.
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barrybhoy
3 Jul 2018, 09:53 PM
I think that makes it too vague, imo.

I would do away with shoot outs to end matches/ties. Make teams win trying to win, not trying to draw a match and win a shoot out. Play the first 30 minutes of extra time as now, then after wards make it golden goal and let teams use all unused subs. Would be so much better than seeing teams just hold out and hope they can win something unrelated to the actual match.

Other than that I don't have too much beef about football's rules.
Yes!

Do that thing they did/do in ice hockey and play to someone scores.
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KrnyBhoy
5 Jul 2018, 08:40 PM
quinn1888
5 Jul 2018, 03:37 PM
Away goals in extra time should be scrapped.
Away goals should be scrapped.
Don't agree.

It's almost unanimously proven that the team playing at home in football has an advantage when compared to playing away.

When Celtic get an away goal it always feel effing marvelous and earned against the odds.
Edited by ssmith81, 6 Jul 2018, 04:07 AM.
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6 Jul 2018, 02:58 AM
barrybhoy
3 Jul 2018, 09:53 PM
I think that makes it too vague, imo.

I would do away with shoot outs to end matches/ties. Make teams win trying to win, not trying to draw a match and win a shoot out. Play the first 30 minutes of extra time as now, then after wards make it golden goal and let teams use all unused subs. Would be so much better than seeing teams just hold out and hope they can win something unrelated to the actual match.

Other than that I don't have too much beef about football's rules.
Yes!

Do that thing they did/do in ice hockey and play to someone scores.
They do in the playoffs

Years ago I went to a Washington Capitals playoff game against the Penguins that lasted well after 2 o'clock in the morning as neither team could score.

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Rosco67
5 Jul 2018, 04:10 PM
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5 Jul 2018, 03:17 PM
Someone pointed out to me once before the unfairness around sending injured players to the sideline and restarting with them still having treatment. In effect you can commit a serious foul, and then have a period where your team are playing against 10 men. To me, if a player commits a foul serious enough for the opposing player to require off field treatment, the offending player should be made to wait on the touchline until either the injured player is ready to come back on, or their substitute can get on the park.
I can see it now. Moussa Dembele comes together in a nothing challenge with Andy Halliday. Free kick Rangers. Halliday proceeds to get treatment for the full second half.
:lol:

Neymar would win this game.
Probably have half a team off each match.
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My rule change: Potential penalty incidents, where the referee also has a decision to make regardlng the defensive player - should he be red carded in addition to the penalty? Where this scenario arises - and the referee thinks the attacking player has dived - red card to the attacking player and penalty to the defending team. Aim being to try and keep the attacker on his feet and score a goal, rather than trying to 'win' a penalty.

Obviously this wouldn't work in the SPL, due to the disproportionate amount of penalties 'The Rangers' will get when defending....
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Wow. What a thread.

Firstly, it's LAWS not rules.. they are interpretive and what 1 referee might deem Violent Conduct, Excessive Force, Serious Foul Play etc might differ from another. What I think is a careless tackle and not merit a yellow will be deemed reckless by another and will merit a Yellow.

It doesn't seem that the main reason for a lot of the comments are for the improvement of the game as a sport, but more "Let's make the game more exciting" - which come with 2 separate motives. If you're just wanting the game to be more exciting... then why not just scrap the whole point system and every goal you score - is a point. Why not have specialist players, who come on for free kicks, or specialist goalkeepers who come on to save penalties. In fact, why don't we just bring in little bits of loads of other sports to make football the most exciting thing in the world... but at what point does Football begin to stop resembling football.

The laws of the game are fine and appropriate.

- Why not be allowed to shield a ball out if you are the defensive team? If the ref believes you to be close enough to be in control of the ball - batter on. Does it annoy the tits out you when you are on the attacking team? yep.

- Handballs have to be intentional and I think this is fair. Some of you asking for it to be a handball if it hits your hand no matter what are bonkers.

- If a ball looks like it's going in the net and is stopped for a hand ball, you can't award a goal. a) No matter how certain it may have looked, you cannot award something that has not happened. It would be a clear goal scoring opportunity... for sure.

The laws are clear and consistent, what is not consistent is the application of them - as they are interpretive. Oh, I also read about refs deserve abuse for wrong decisions... really?! Let's be clear, if a referee has made an intentional wrong decision - i.e has made a conscious decision to not give, or give something that is wrong, then that is a separate problem and in any like of work would bring on disciplinary procedures. However, given the pace of football, the amount of things a referee has to consider all of the time - it's understandable that decisions will be made - with genuine error - wrong at times. Multiple camera angles, slow motion replays etc all make these 'wrong decisions' look so so much worse than the 1 single look, at 1 angle the referee has in live time to make the call. And let me assure you - the position that a ref has makes an enormous difference. Speaking from experience - there has been decisions I have given in the past that I was absolutely certain about... convinced. Only for the player I awarded the foul too to latterly admit that I got it wrong.

Regards offsides, well, there's never pleasing everyone with this. I do not like the current law - in that an intentional act by a defender to play the ball brings an offside attacking player back onside. Because, as a player, I was taught to play to the whistle... IMO The defender does not know if the referee will blow for offside or not so has to make an attempt to clear the ball.
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FYI - here is a link to the LOTG for the coming 2018/2019 season.

http://static-3eb8.kxcdn.com/documents/662/133314_290518_LotG_18_19_EN_SinglePage_150dpi.pdf
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Not really a rule, but I wish modern players would make more of an effort to put the ball in the back of the net after they've been fouled in the area. In the Croatia Denmark game Rebic rounded the keeper and was then brought down by the last defender, but rather than tap it into an empty deck whilst on the deck or get up and tap it into the net, he gave up completely and was happy to get the penalty - which Modric then missed. All he had to do was quickly find his feet and put the ball into an open goal and it was game over.
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6 Jul 2018, 10:57 AM
Not really a rule, but I wish modern players would make more of an effort to put the ball in the back of the net after they've been fouled in the area. In the Croatia Denmark game Rebic rounded the keeper and was then brought down by the last defender, but rather than tap it into an empty deck whilst on the deck or get up and tap it into the net, he gave up completely and was happy to get the penalty - which Modric then missed. All he had to do was quickly find his feet and put the ball into an open goal and it was game over.
He had no chance of getting that with the defender covering and does make an attempt to before claiming for the penalty.
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6 Jul 2018, 11:26 AM
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6 Jul 2018, 10:57 AM
Not really a rule, but I wish modern players would make more of an effort to put the ball in the back of the net after they've been fouled in the area. In the Croatia Denmark game Rebic rounded the keeper and was then brought down by the last defender, but rather than tap it into an empty deck whilst on the deck or get up and tap it into the net, he gave up completely and was happy to get the penalty - which Modric then missed. All he had to do was quickly find his feet and put the ball into an open goal and it was game over.
He had no chance of getting that with the defender covering and does make an attempt to before claiming for the penalty.
I've seen similar instances more and more over the years. In this case I think he could have controlled that ball whilst stumbling, or whilst on the deck at the very least, and it would have been a case of kicking it into the net beyond the covering defender. What i'm saying is that if he fails then the advantage is lost and the penalty is given. Players now seem more willing to earn the penalty than just push that bit harder to kick the ball into the net after a foul.
Edited by Luca, 6 Jul 2018, 11:30 AM.
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6 Jul 2018, 10:31 AM
Wow. What a thread.

Firstly, it's LAWS not rules..
They're laws, not it's.

If you're going to be a pedant then... ;)
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Luca
6 Jul 2018, 11:30 AM
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6 Jul 2018, 10:57 AM
Not really a rule, but I wish modern players would make more of an effort to put the ball in the back of the net after they've been fouled in the area. In the Croatia Denmark game Rebic rounded the keeper and was then brought down by the last defender, but rather than tap it into an empty deck whilst on the deck or get up and tap it into the net, he gave up completely and was happy to get the penalty - which Modric then missed. All he had to do was quickly find his feet and put the ball into an open goal and it was game over.
He had no chance of getting that with the defender covering and does make an attempt to before claiming for the penalty.
I've seen similar instances more and more over the years. In this case I think he could have controlled that ball whilst stumbling, or whilst on the deck at the very least, and it would have been a case of kicking it into the net beyond the covering defender. What i'm saying is that if he fails then the advantage is lost and the penalty is given. Players now seem more willing to earn the penalty than just push that bit harder to kick the ball into the net after a foul.
I get what you're saying and do agree, but just not with the example. He's swinging his leg round trying to hit it in while on the ground but the covering defender gets there.
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The referee, and presumably the other officials, know how much time is left in injury time. The TV viewers have a clock. The fans in the ground, at least in Scotland, need to look at their own watches and 'phones and can't look at the screns. People who contribute directly. That is wrong.
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Stop the clock when the ball is dead so we get 90 minutes of the ball in play

Average game, the ball is in play about 55-60 minutes

Would mean about another 45-50 minutes of play
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Abolish the Offside rule, and the keeper can use a shinty stick inside the six yard box.
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