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Unfair/Stupid Rules in Football; Time for a change?
Topic Started: 3 Jul 2018, 09:18 PM (6,033 Views)
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There is not enough deterrent in football to the crowding and pushing back of the referee and various other antics. VAR has not cured this, and if anything has only made it softer. The headbutt incident in the Colombia game the other night being a good example among many.

FIFA, and the TV companies they sell the rights to for increasingly exorbitant fees, basically demand a spectacle.

Demanding a spectacle is not consistent with red carding one or two players from the same team in the opening 20 minutes of game, despite being completely justified in doing so due to their actions. It creates a mismatch in most circumstances, and to hell with ther actual laws of the game.

Players have cottoned on to this, and are increasingly aware of what they can get away with on the pitch.

The genie is never going back in the bottle.
Edited by Forza, 5 Jul 2018, 03:30 PM.
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Away goals in extra time should be scrapped.
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Forza
5 Jul 2018, 03:30 PM
There is not enough deterrent in football to the crowding and pushing back of the referee and various other antics. VAR has not cured this, and if anything has only made it softer. The headbutt incident in the Colombia game the other night being a good example among many.

FIFA, and the TV companies they sell the rights to for increasingly exorbitant fees, basically demand a spectacle.

Demanding a spectacle is not consistent with red carding one or two players from the same team in the opening 20 minutes of game, despite being completely justified in doing so due to their actions. It creates a mismatch in most circumstances, and to hell with ther actual laws of the game.

Players have cottoned on to this, and are increasingly aware of what they can get away with on the pitch.

The genie is never going back in the bottle.
Again not a rule change, but mic' up the ref so TV can hear the abuse being spouted by players.

Let them go out to their adoring fans afterwards and sign autographs and then home to explain to their kids.
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5 Jul 2018, 03:17 PM
Someone pointed out to me once before the unfairness around sending injured players to the sideline and restarting with them still having treatment. In effect you can commit a serious foul, and then have a period where your team are playing against 10 men. To me, if a player commits a foul serious enough for the opposing player to require off field treatment, the offending player should be made to wait on the touchline until either the injured player is ready to come back on, or their substitute can get on the park.
I can see it now. Moussa Dembele comes together in a nothing challenge with Andy Halliday. Free kick Rangers. Halliday proceeds to get treatment for the full second half.
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5 Jul 2018, 04:10 PM
potsy
5 Jul 2018, 03:17 PM
Someone pointed out to me once before the unfairness around sending injured players to the sideline and restarting with them still having treatment. In effect you can commit a serious foul, and then have a period where your team are playing against 10 men. To me, if a player commits a foul serious enough for the opposing player to require off field treatment, the offending player should be made to wait on the touchline until either the injured player is ready to come back on, or their substitute can get on the park.
I can see it now. Moussa Dembele comes together in a nothing challenge with Andy Halliday. Free kick Rangers. Halliday proceeds to get treatment for the full second half.
Point taken, but a simple way round that would be to apply a time limit to treatment. Any injury that's going to take say more than 5 minutes to treat should require that team to make a substitution.
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potsy
5 Jul 2018, 04:56 PM
Rosco67
5 Jul 2018, 04:10 PM
potsy
5 Jul 2018, 03:17 PM
Someone pointed out to me once before the unfairness around sending injured players to the sideline and restarting with them still having treatment. In effect you can commit a serious foul, and then have a period where your team are playing against 10 men. To me, if a player commits a foul serious enough for the opposing player to require off field treatment, the offending player should be made to wait on the touchline until either the injured player is ready to come back on, or their substitute can get on the park.
I can see it now. Moussa Dembele comes together in a nothing challenge with Andy Halliday. Free kick Rangers. Halliday proceeds to get treatment for the full second half.
Point taken, but a simple way round that would be to apply a time limit to treatment. Any injury that's going to take say more than 5 minutes to treat should require that team to make a substitution.
Uh oh. Cheeky Andy's got himself into a clash with Craig Gordon now.
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5 Jul 2018, 03:37 PM
Away goals in extra time should be scrapped.
Away goals should be scrapped.
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If a ref gets a vital decision Wrong they deseve the abuse they recieve. Dont want our game turning into santised shampooe like rugby. "yes sir, no sir" :boik:
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KrnyBhoy
5 Jul 2018, 08:42 PM
If a ref gets a vital decision Wrong they deseve the abuse they recieve. Dont want our game turning into santised shampooe like rugby. "yes sir, no sir" :boik:
Yep. There’s nothing worse than being respectful to other people. :boik:
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Annoni's Magic Gloves
5 Jul 2018, 08:44 PM
KrnyBhoy
5 Jul 2018, 08:42 PM
If a ref gets a vital decision Wrong they deseve the abuse they recieve. Dont want our game turning into santised shampooe like rugby. "yes sir, no sir" :boik:
Yep. There’s nothing worse than being respectful to other people. :boik:
https://youtu.be/egZJDmKafpo

does the linesman or ref deserve any respect for that decision , was that a respectable decision? Was it eff, they deserve people shouting in their faces ig they get something so simple wrong.
If they have gotten the decision correct and the player is still complaining then the player should recieve a ban.
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KrnyBhoy
5 Jul 2018, 08:42 PM
If a ref gets a vital decision Wrong they deseve the abuse they recieve. Dont want our game turning into santised shampooe like rugby. "yes sir, no sir" :boik:
When you make a mistake at your place of work is it ok for you to be verbally abused? By several people at a time?
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El Toro
5 Jul 2018, 09:01 PM
KrnyBhoy
5 Jul 2018, 08:42 PM
If a ref gets a vital decision Wrong they deseve the abuse they recieve. Dont want our game turning into santised shampooe like rugby. "yes sir, no sir" :boik:
When you make a mistake at your place of work is it ok for you to be verbally abused? By several people at a time?
Yes , absolutely fine, rather that than getting the sack.
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If a player is talking to another players/coach/anyone near the pitch with his hand covering his mouth he should get booted out of the stadium
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Player fouls his opponent and the opponent has to go off for treatment - the fouling player has to go off until the fouled player comes back on. It's not fair that the team who's player is off for a couple of minutes are at a disadvantage when it's the other team's player who was in the wrong. Especially if said player goes up the park and scores!

I don't think denying a clear goalscoring opportunity im the box should result in a penalty AND red card. It's like a double punishment for a single offence. It should only be a red card if the challenge was worthy of a sending off in it's own right.
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Cardross Bhoy
5 Jul 2018, 09:05 PM
Player fouls his opponent and the opponent has to go off for treatment - the fouling player has to go off until the fouled player comes back on. It's not fair that the team who's player is off for a couple of minutes are at a disadvantage when it's the other team's player who was in the wrong. Especially if said player goes up the park and scores!

I don't think denying a clear goalscoring opportunity im the box should result in a penalty AND red card. It's like a double punishment for a single offence. It should only be a red card if the challenge was worthy of a sending off in it's own right.
so a player (lets say a left back) fake an injury (Neymar style) by the opposition star central defender, gets of the field and forces the other teams star defender with him leaving the way open for an easy goal
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Cardross Bhoy
5 Jul 2018, 09:05 PM
Player fouls his opponent and the opponent has to go off for treatment - the fouling player has to go off until the fouled player comes back on. It's not fair that the team who's player is off for a couple of minutes are at a disadvantage when it's the other team's player who was in the wrong. Especially if said player goes up the park and scores!

I don't think denying a clear goalscoring opportunity im the box should result in a penalty AND red card. It's like a double punishment for a single offence. It should only be a red card if the challenge was worthy of a sending off in it's own right.
That could be manipulated though, a player could target another teams star player and pretend to be injured by him , and basically sacrifice yourself for a couple of minutes to get their player removed too.

The second rule you mentioned is already in place. If you make a legitmate attempt to go for the ball in the box it can not be a red card. This does not apply outside the box though, last man back red cards still apply outside the box.
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Yellow card being given every time there's a penalty , boils my pish
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5 Jul 2018, 09:09 PM
Cardross Bhoy
5 Jul 2018, 09:05 PM
Player fouls his opponent and the opponent has to go off for treatment - the fouling player has to go off until the fouled player comes back on. It's not fair that the team who's player is off for a couple of minutes are at a disadvantage when it's the other team's player who was in the wrong. Especially if said player goes up the park and scores!

I don't think denying a clear goalscoring opportunity im the box should result in a penalty AND red card. It's like a double punishment for a single offence. It should only be a red card if the challenge was worthy of a sending off in it's own right.
so a player (lets say a left back) fake an injury (Neymar style) by the opposition star central defender, gets of the field and forces the other teams star defender with him leaving the way open for an easy goal
can see some teams trying to get Brown getting a full 90 minutes on the sidelines, in games against us
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Fouls for players backing into another player when trying to win a header, fouls for players pushing forward when trying to win a header. Fouls for not jumping when the other players goes for a header. Fouls for jumping when the other person hasnt jumped for a header. Just let peope battle for a header or not if they choose to stand still (if they are pulling shirts or properly shoving a player then its a foul)

the amount of fouls dembele was called up for vs zenit when he simply jumped higher and won a header was ridiculous.
Edited by KrnyBhoy, 5 Jul 2018, 09:15 PM.
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Make offside mean offside again. None of this interfering with play stuff.

Make it a contact sport again where you can actually shoulder charge.

Encourage players to stay on their feet. The test of whether or not someone dived should be whether, in everyday life, a grown man would fall to the floor upon receiving the same force as has seemingly been applied.
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