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| Unfair/Stupid Rules in Football; Time for a change? | |
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| Topic Started: 3 Jul 2018, 09:18 PM (6,034 Views) | |
| the-gaffer606 | 4 Jul 2018, 09:59 AM Post #61 |
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First-team captain
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I hate the current off side rule, I don't think it adds anything posotive to the game at all, defending is an art form and learning and mastering the offside rule was as great a skill as a midfielder being able to put the ball on a 10p from 60 yards, I also think it makes strikers lazy, I'd rather they went back to the original rule. |
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| Midfield Maestro | 4 Jul 2018, 10:05 AM Post #62 |
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Retired and now a BT Sports pundit
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Why is the penalty area a box and not a semi circle? Like, if you get fouled right on the corner of the box on the 18 yard line, you're in a less dangerous position than if you get fouled right in the middle of the goals but 19 yards out. But the first one is a penalty and the second one isn't. |
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| Arsene Parcelie | 4 Jul 2018, 10:52 AM Post #63 |
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¡ǝʞɐxnɟɹnɟ ɥo
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The laws are fine - the interpretative elements of some of them are the ones people get annoyed at. "Referee's opinion" is where the problems begin and end. VAR maybe helped in the World Cup but it won't be in use in many places any time soon, so we'll be back to what the officials saw. My biggest problem with them is the minor touches, flicks, pulls and trips which happen all over the place on the field are usually given as fouls, but in a penalty area they are usually only given as fouls against the attacking team, especially at corners. If they applied the laws consistently and gave these fouls against the defending team I'd be happy. "If that wasn't in the box, it would be a foul" is a common complaint. The opposite should be the mantra "If that wasn't a penalty it wasn't a foul". I'd punish the play actors (even retrospectively) who collapse holding some unscathed part of their anatomy where they weren't touched with the intention of getting an opponent punished. In my day you took a whack (let him know yer there!) and tried to show it hadn't affected you by getting up and shrugging it off, whilst plotting your revenge. Obviously sometimes it was sore (broken ankle or something), and treatment was necessary from the magic sponge, but these days all these super fit athletes seem to have really sensitive pain thresholds, but I can't believe they've all become blouses so they are at it, with their "screaming". Only problem is everybody except Broony seems to do it. Can't wait to see the WC participants domestically trying the old Draw A TV sign instead of waving the air-red card when they feel somebody touched them slightly and they go down like screaming like Neymar. They seem to have no problem kidding on they're ok after getting skelped from close range when they block the ball, but a wee finger touch in the box (oo-err) and down they go, rolling in agony. Fannies. If the refs actually took action for what are supposed to be offences, like the defenders grappling forwards and giving penalties instead of generally giving a foul against the attackers, or for stepping in to block the pass of a quick free-kick, or booting the ball away when retreating for a free kick, etc. What's the most common shout after a foul these days? Aye exactly - "Show him the effing caird ref!" Or a player goes down in the box - neither a foul or a dive - "If it's no a penalty it must be a yellow, ref!" Folks should learn the rules about what constitutes a Yella or a Gethimtaefukaffthepitchref. |
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| Dr_Optimist | 4 Jul 2018, 11:30 PM Post #64 |
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Aka 'The Thesis'
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If they are to use VAR I would quite like to see it being used in a similar way to tennis, eg 1 challenge per half. If the coach/manager gets the challenge correct, they keep it, if they get it wrong, they lose it. Would add a bit of excitement and a bit of judgement/empathy between managers and refs. |
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| ssmith81 | 5 Jul 2018, 01:08 AM Post #65 |
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Mo..Mo..Super Mo....Super Mo Camara!
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The amount of protection that Goalkeepers get these days is absolutely insane. When two players go up to contest a header there's plenty of jostling and grappling allowed. Despite the fact the keeper is only player that can use his effing hands a ref blows his whistle at the merest hint of contact. It's actually got to the stage where goalies don't even try to catch a ball most of the time instead choosing to draw a foul. 9/10 are absolutely not deserving of play being stopped. The ushering of the ball over the touchline as mentioned is just completely baffling and I've no idea how we got to this point. |
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| MON's Left Eyebrow | 5 Jul 2018, 01:45 AM Post #66 |
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First name on the team-sheet
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I'd rather they decided to rescind Scotland's ban if we're going down that route. |
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| TheSaint | 5 Jul 2018, 02:42 AM Post #67 |
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It is a beautiful day! It is a new day ! And we are together!!
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Introduce ref zones at side of pitch. Ref makes decision. Moves to zone. Any player gesturing at the ref or entering that area is booked. Or introduce a sin bin and send them there for 15 mins. Edited by TheSaint, 5 Jul 2018, 02:42 AM.
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| davesterjc | 5 Jul 2018, 05:57 AM Post #68 |
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Got the vision.......
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I'd make it an automatic yellow card for anyone questioning a refereeing decision other than the player involved. Columbia the other night were a disgrace. I don't like seeing groups of players surrounding the ref and quite often being aggressive and abusive. I'm surprised there aren't any rules already in place to stop it going on. |
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| Green Homer J | 5 Jul 2018, 06:55 AM Post #69 |
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The 'Real Lord of the Dance'
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Got a few..... Only captains can speak to the refs. The pack of players round the ref is out of order. Players injured can be treated on the park and game goes on around them, unless in the penalty area. Ref can stop play based on position if needed. Automatic booking for card or VAR gesture. Offside rule to be back to clear daylight and interfering with play. stop phases of play. Independent time keeper. Throw ins replaced by kick ins. Penalties for grappling in box. As a former goalie - happy with the protection they get 😂😂😜 |
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| Shuggybhoy | 5 Jul 2018, 12:48 PM Post #70 |
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First team training
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Ball should be put out of play to end the game (same as rugby). Hate it when a team wins a corner/free kick but the ref then blows up for Half/full time before the team can take the corner/free kick. |
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| Roland | 5 Jul 2018, 12:54 PM Post #71 |
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Club Captain
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I would think about extending the rules about being cup-tied to the league as well. |
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| Green Machine | 5 Jul 2018, 12:57 PM Post #72 |
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Considering retirement
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Teams time-wasting via long drawn-out substitutions, taking ages over FKs, thrown-ins, shys, etc. I’d stop the clock when the ball is out of play and remove “injury time” altogether. Same as rugby, once the clock passes 90 and the ball is dead it’s full-time. Would also stop Scottish referees simply adding on 2 mins regardless at Celtic Park, but that’s for another thread. |
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| Luca | 5 Jul 2018, 01:00 PM Post #73 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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Players not getting booked early on in a game because only a few minutes have been played. A booking is a booking, first minute or 90th minute. Applying the six second rule with a bit more force, it's pointless as it currently stands and no-one actually adheres to it. Not a rule per se, but I'd prefer it if a shot off the post was counted as a shot on target rather than off target. |
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| stevie21 | 5 Jul 2018, 01:30 PM Post #74 |
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Agree on shielding the ball out of play. And on the impact it'd have on Ajer's game If the defender hasn't touched the ball, he shouldn't be able to shield it like that and a foul for obstruction given. If you're trying to run the clock down and take the ball into the corner, shielding it there's fine so that needn't suddenly become a foul.Diving, play acting and arguing with the ref could easily be dealt with by just using the existing rules. If we extend VAR to punish them too, all the better. I don't really understand why people are so up in arms about waving an imaginary yellow/red card. Is that any worse than shouting "that's a red card, ref!" ? Surely everyone does that already. Is it because it looks a bit theatrical and Latin American and their theatrics are normally to flail around like they're on the end of a fishing line? Genuinely don't get why that upsets people. I quite like the point on the hockey shaped penalty area too - that's quite well put. Maybe VAR leaves this last one redundant, but if a free kick is whipped in and two people are offside as the ball is played, but a third person times their run better and scores a goal, I think that's asking a lot of the linesman to not flag that as offside. Even as a defender if you see another player about to creep into an offiside position you might suspect that he'll only just stay onside and get an advantage on your fellow defender so you might start to adjust your position. When the ball sails over his head (by which time he's offside but said to not be interfering with play) you could consequently be out of position and it's the guy you're marking who's then allowed to score the goal. I think it'd be simpler to just revert to an offside position means you're offside and the game stops. I think we need more than that simplification before we stop being so critical of refs overall, but it'd at least help them out a wee bit. |
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| barrybhoy | 5 Jul 2018, 01:39 PM Post #75 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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So you want the game to end when the ball goes out of play, but if ref blows time before a corner (or when the ball has gone out of play) he should wait until the ball is in play?
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| dannymccaff | 5 Jul 2018, 02:10 PM Post #76 |
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I'm new. Be gentle.
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| cel'ic minded | 5 Jul 2018, 02:21 PM Post #77 |
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Occasional Substitute
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I don't have a problem with defenders ushering the ball out over the line, so long as they are actually close enough to the ball that they actually could touch it. The defender is effectively in possession of the ball even though he hasn't touched it and is entitled to hold a striker off it. If he's nowhere near the ball and just steps into the attackers path then that's different and then would be obstruction. |
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| Shuggybhoy | 5 Jul 2018, 02:32 PM Post #78 |
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First team training
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Yeah, that's what I meant. |
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| suzieghirl10 | 5 Jul 2018, 02:46 PM Post #79 |
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Everyone's Fantasy Football first pick
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If the ball is going in the net and is stopped by a handball, give an automatic goal not a penalty. |
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| potsy | 5 Jul 2018, 03:17 PM Post #80 |
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Occasional Substitute
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Someone pointed out to me once before the unfairness around sending injured players to the sideline and restarting with them still having treatment. In effect you can commit a serious foul, and then have a period where your team are playing against 10 men. To me, if a player commits a foul serious enough for the opposing player to require off field treatment, the offending player should be made to wait on the touchline until either the injured player is ready to come back on, or their substitute can get on the park. |
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If the defender hasn't touched the ball, he shouldn't be able to shield it like that and a foul for obstruction given. If you're trying to run the clock down and take the ball into the corner, shielding it there's fine so that needn't suddenly become a foul.
So you want the game to end when the ball goes out of play, but if ref blows time before a corner (or when the ball has gone out of play) he should wait until the ball is in play?
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