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The state of Scottish football
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Kingslim
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28 Jun 2018, 01:10 PM
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My six year old is being coached at an academy here in the US. They have sessions where the intention is to give each player up to 2000 touches on the ball.
They are not allowed to clear the ball from defence and the goalie starts every play to a full back or midfielder. It's all about keeping the ball.
My 13 year olds group play at a really technical level, it's actually really impressive how composed and comfortable some of those kids are with the ball. Sounds spot on
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28 Jun 2018, 01:20 PM
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Getting noticed in the reserves
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My six year old is being coached at an academy here in the US. They have sessions where the intention is to give each player up to 2000 touches on the ball.
They are not allowed to clear the ball from defence and the goalie starts every play to a full back or midfielder. It's all about keeping the ball.
My 13 year olds group play at a really technical level, it's actually really impressive how composed and comfortable some of those kids are with the ball.
Sounds spot on I’ve watched a bit of MLS and although the players are quite good technically there seems to be little idea what to do from about 20 yards from goal. Perhaps your 13s are the next stage of the development into A better all round level. I do think we need to at least set out and stick to a long term development plan and soon. Every time we start over we are setting ourselves back at least another 10 years.
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28 Jun 2018, 01:24 PM
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- Kingslim
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- Bawman
- 28 Jun 2018, 12:58 PM
My six year old is being coached at an academy here in the US. They have sessions where the intention is to give each player up to 2000 touches on the ball.
They are not allowed to clear the ball from defence and the goalie starts every play to a full back or midfielder. It's all about keeping the ball.
My 13 year olds group play at a really technical level, it's actually really impressive how composed and comfortable some of those kids are with the ball.
Sounds spot on Dont have any answers but i also know from coaching and managing in a different country, that often the increased technical ability comes at the price of 'streetwise-ness'. Lots of good players who can pass the ball for 90 mins across the back line and arent scared to come deep to take it from keeper etc.... but have no idea how to inject urgency or directness into their play. We need to keep the identity of our national team (whatever that is - I'd suggest a combination of clever play and blood and snotters) but also improve the techique massively. I also agree with the previous posts that the first few steps are improved (cheaper) facilities and better educated coaches.
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28 Jun 2018, 01:25 PM
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Problem is twofold for me, firstly not enough kids are playing football (sports in general) and there's a multitude of reasons for that with cost being at the forefront of it. And the second is the culture which surrounds our coaching. There are pockets of where you get real quality coaching throughout the ages but this is usually 1-1 and private academies, as opposed to SFA funded programmes, so it's limited. Bawman is right about the touches, just give kids a ball until they're actually able to walk without tripping up and build from there.
Reduce the cost of participating in football to boost numbers and once you've done that, get the coaching programme right. It won't get any better without either of those.
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28 Jun 2018, 01:31 PM
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- Stockholm87
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- 28 Jun 2018, 11:41 AM
Would anyone like to wager that Iceland will return to obscurity and generally being utter mince fairly soon? Who will we be told to learn from next?
Scotland will always have limitations. No one is expecting us to recreate Brazil '70 in any generation, but I think ultimately we should be aiming a bit higher than being the international equivalent of Tony Pulis' Stoke.
How's about we build our own way based on what works for us, using good principles, organisation and common sense?
They may well return to their 'natural level'. But they have reached heights we cannot at the moment which means there are probably things we can learn. So just waiting for them to fail is not really an option. Also I feel you are missing the point a little. We should not aspire to be the same as Iceland - we should, given our resources aspire to be better than they are. (Croatia, Denmark perhaps) It's not about waiting on them to fail. Literally nobody is doing that. The point being made is that it absolutely will happen. Then everyone will forget what Iceland is doing and move on to someone else who have moved into the world top 20.
I'm saying aspiring to Iceland is a cliche because it happens every time a country gets a modicum of success, and is a busted flush. What they are doing, while good, is not sustainable. What they are doing works based on their lower economy of scale and climate and cannot be transferred to other countries as easily as people like to make out.
Scotland needs to find its own way based on the realities of our own system.
That includes dealing with the vagaries of a club dominated system where the national association is weak and discredited. Where public funding of sport generally is focused more towards elite Olympic sports, rather than football which is looked upon as being strong enough to support itself and viewed with disdain culturally and socially by decision makers.
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28 Jun 2018, 01:32 PM
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- 28 Jun 2018, 01:25 PM
Problem is twofold for me, firstly not enough kids are playing football (sports in general) and there's a multitude of reasons for that with cost being at the forefront of it. And the second is the culture which surrounds our coaching. There are pockets of where you get real quality coaching throughout the ages but this is usually 1-1 and private academies, as opposed to SFA funded programmes, so it's limited. Bawman is right about the touches, just give kids a ball until they're actually able to walk without tripping up and build from there.
Reduce the cost of participating in football to boost numbers and once you've done that, get the coaching programme right. It won't get any better without either of those. To touch on what AP said earlier - the most important thing is for kids to practice on their own.
That's where most of their skill base will come from.
Oldest cliché in the book but practice makes perfect. We used to make games up that did wonders for your control and still fulfilled enjoyment.
I used to stand on my own when I was about 11 and I could do 500 keepie ups just through practice and finding a rhythm
coaching is good for discipline, but practice and dedication comes from within.
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28 Jun 2018, 01:37 PM
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Problem is twofold for me, firstly not enough kids are playing football (sports in general) and there's a multitude of reasons for that with cost being at the forefront of it. And the second is the culture which surrounds our coaching. There are pockets of where you get real quality coaching throughout the ages but this is usually 1-1 and private academies, as opposed to SFA funded programmes, so it's limited. Bawman is right about the touches, just give kids a ball until they're actually able to walk without tripping up and build from there.
Reduce the cost of participating in football to boost numbers and once you've done that, get the coaching programme right. It won't get any better without either of those.
To touch on what AP said earlier - the most important thing is for kids to practice on their own. That's where most of their skill base will come from. Oldest cliché in the book but practice makes perfect. We used to make games up that did wonders for your control and still fulfilled enjoyment. I used to stand on my own when I was about 11 and I could do 500 keepie ups just through practice and finding a rhythm coaching is good for discipline, but practice and dedication comes from within. That I agree with. One can do wonders to improve the weaker foot just by practice.
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28 Jun 2018, 01:38 PM
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Problem is twofold for me, firstly not enough kids are playing football (sports in general) and there's a multitude of reasons for that with cost being at the forefront of it. And the second is the culture which surrounds our coaching. There are pockets of where you get real quality coaching throughout the ages but this is usually 1-1 and private academies, as opposed to SFA funded programmes, so it's limited. Bawman is right about the touches, just give kids a ball until they're actually able to walk without tripping up and build from there.
Reduce the cost of participating in football to boost numbers and once you've done that, get the coaching programme right. It won't get any better without either of those. I was involved in youth coaching here for about 7 years. Some really good players involved ( 2 are now u19 players for 'Allsvenskan' teams) I'm intersted to hear about the differences.
E.g People mention costs how much does it cost? Do the coaches go on courses from the SFA ?
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28 Jun 2018, 01:39 PM
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You don't say if these " dinosaurs"are independent coaches or just guys who give up their spare time to help out with their sons' football teams or their communities football clubs. IMO it is shameful to slag off guys who are in the latter category. The problem here in Scotland is that we have many thousands of guys who played at a decent level and who benefitted from many many volunteers who ran football clubs for kids and gave these ex players the opportunity to develop into good footballers . I did ten years coaching even though my own boys weren't involved and having played the game for a few decades and having met and got to know hundreds of good footballers over that period of time it pains me to say that I know of only a dozen or so that "paid back their dues" Don't slag off sub standard coaches that never had it in them in the first place rather criticise the thousands of capable guys who took years of great enjoyment from the game and gave NOTHING back!
everybody at that level are giving up their time. The dinosaur reference was about their attitude to the game. Anyone who gives up their time to coach kids are a saint -in my view. I went along to watch my son. He's not supposed to play football as he's lost the use of his left arm. I allowed him to play with the school B team, as it's not as physical. Mainly made up of P4-P7, but they play 11 a side in the catholic schools league and they still play on blaze pitches quite a lot. We used an astro pitch which was a decent surface. The kids were totally disinterested as the guy just shouted at the kids and offered them no training. They get one hour a week training. This resulted in him shouting at them for about 20 mins before getting them to run for the majority of the time with a game for the last 15 or 20mins. We had a group of around 25 kids - which was far too many to begin with, and they were split into 3 groups and two of the groups made up the team for the Saturday. By the time we got to November some of the better players ended up moving on to club teams and others lost interest. I was asked to help out by other coaches and parents as I was always there supporting. I didn't take anything to do with the organising of games and was just informed if we were playing or not. There were plenty of weeks we ended up not having games and later I realised it's because the guy didn't go out his way to sort basic problems like finding alternative pitches etc. He told me that he knocked back an invitation to a tournament for the kids as he was worried they would get hammered - nonsense, he just couldn't be arsed. By the time we moved to after xmas he was taking a back seat and I was taking everything on board - even the organising. Those kids missed out on a helluva lot. I spent a lot of my time at work organising games right up until the end of the summer and even organised a team day out for the kids - that they never would have got if I hadn't taken it on board. In terms of the training, I don't have coaching experience, I played football from Primary school right through until my first child was born when I was about 28. I changed the training, got down to their level and encouraged them individually and got them all on board. Made the training more fun. There were kids who were previously totally disinterested, were nearly in tears as the games had ended. I was gutted to leave as I was starting to turn them into a team and we had a good group who were all committed and wanting to do well. They went from getting hammered most weeks, to winning games and going 4 or 5 games undefeated and competing in every game we played.. They're not at an age where you can put in complicated drills but you can adapt and make them do things like their warm up with the ball instead of running and running and ultimately learning nothing or by playing games like "piggy in the middle" which is fun and good for passing under pressure. Passing on simple rules that you get taught from a young age, helping them organise their defence. Basic stuff like that goes a long way at this level. Mainly it's about the kids enjoying themselves, but it's totally detrimental when you have people who don't want kids to express themselves. Then we had an end of season dance, he didn't want the kids getting POTY trophies or any other trophies, meanwhile the A team are dishing out trophies for allsorts. He hadn't been there for weeks and then stood up on the awards night and basically took the credit for what I'd been doing. I wasn't looking for any praise but he totally let them kids down and had the brass neck to stand there. he even admitted this was the first time they had finished the season with a full team - which tells it's own story. So, whilst I commend anyone who gives up their time, when it's to the detriment of the children, then it's hardly worthwhile is it? I had no intention of getting involved. I was there to support my son but if I hadn't we wouldn't have had a team. He's going to secondary after summer. I'm gutted as I thoroughly enjoyed it and we were really going places. The kids all had the bug by the time the season ended - I felt heart sorry having to tell them I was leaving. I applaud anyone who gets involved to help their local kids, but if you're going to do it make sure you're committed. I also coach in the Catholic Schools League and there are more and more coaches getting their teams to pass and move and less punt it up the pitch. At our team all training sessions are done with the ball, drills that can be progressed as time goes on and basically looking to improve their skills and game awareness.
The biggest problem I find is more the parents trying to coach from the sideline, shouting at them and confusing the kids, as well as putting pressure on their kids to be the next Messi or Ronaldo. As a coach it's about keeping the instruction simple, not shouting at them, there are plenty of opportunities to bring the kids to the sideline to talk to them rather than scream at them, not asking them to do things that they can't and most importantly, creating an atmosphere where they enjoy themselves
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28 Jun 2018, 01:48 PM
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This was an article written 5 years ago about an emerging Iceland:
Iceland’s football revolution November 25, 2013 by Paul Little
What are the ingredients for a football revolution? Try the Icelandic recipe – facilities, quality coaching and a big dose of self belief.
Despite their failure to reach Brazil 2014, there’s a belief in Iceland that an international football breakthrough – qualification for a major tournament – is within reach. Not bad for a country with a population less than that of County Cork!
Vidir Sigurdsson – the veteran sports editor of the Icelandic newspaper Morgunbladid – has witnessed the gradual turnabout in the island’s football fortunes first hand. For him, the decision nearly 14 years ago to invest in facilities and youth coaching has been responsible for their eye-opening progress on the field. Infrastructural investment driven by the Icelandic FA and local authorities – the building of a number of full-sized indoor football pitches in major towns and the installation of small artificial football pitches beside most schools – has been critical.
According to Sigurdsson, Icelandic football is now reaping the benefits. Many of the current senior international side, he explains, are part of the first generation of Icelandic footballers to benefit from having “excellent training and playing facilities all year round since they were 10-12 years old.” High levels of coaching education have also paid dividends. In Iceland, being a youth football coach has become a viable career path. The fact that as of 2010, 41% of coaches on the island held the UEFA B licence or higher is more than noteworthy. For Sigurdsson, the improved facilities and coaching standards have brought a sea change in the profile of the Icelandic footballer. Technique is now valued over physicality. “Until the turn of the century, Icelandic players could only train on suitable pitches for 4-5 months each year. They compensated for that by working heavily on their strength during winter, but had limited chances of improving their technical skills. Now, with the excellent winter conditions indoors, we see much better technical players than before.”
The improvement in technique has also brought about a change in the Icelandic football mindset. Their international sides, more confident in their abilities, believe they can engage opponents more effectively with the ball than before, no longer feeling the imperative to simply defend in numbers. “Now,” says Sigurdsson “we have a large crop of good midfielders and strikers.” And to underline the increasing depth in talent, the veteran journalist points to the case of Alfred Finnbogason of Heerenveen who, despite being the top scorer in the Dutch Eredivisie, is not a certain starter in the national team. The flip side, however, is a sudden lack of quality in defence. Perhaps kicking against the traditional backs-to-the-wall Icelandic approach, kids just don’t want to defend anymore. Sigurdsson smiles as he points out that while one of Iceland’s key defenders plays for lowly Rotherham United “our midfielders and attackers play for Tottenham, Cardiff, Sampdoria, Ajax etc!”
And despite Iceland’s ultimate disappointment in losing to Croatia in the World Cup play offs, Sigurdsson believes that the relative success of the current senior side is no flash in the pan – there’s more to come: “Most of our players today are 22 to 25 years old and should be able to improve more over the next few years,” he says. “Then we have a new generation of promising players in our U-19 team. They were Nordic champions at U-17 level and finished in the top 8 of Europe. This autumn, they eliminated France from the Euro U-19 preliminaries. Most of them are already professionals with foreign teams.” And perhaps crucially, believes Sigurdsson, the underage sides have the “defenders the current senior side is missing.”
But progress hasn’t all been down to the Icelanders themselves. Sigurdsson is also quick to credit the senior side’s experienced Swedish coach Lars Lagerbäck for building the self belief of the senior international side, effectively speeding up progress. “He came in as the right man at the right time to give a promising team a more professional touch. I expected this team to be ready to fight for a place in EURO 2016, so our good results have come two years earlier than I thought! Lagerbäck surely has had a lot to say in this.”
To round off our conversation, I ask if there are lessons from this North Atlantic football outpost for Ireland – and even Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England. For Sigurdsson, it’s simple. “I think it all starts with emphasis on youth football and good coaching at that stage.” John Delaney and the FAI take note.
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28 Jun 2018, 01:52 PM
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everybody at that level are giving up their time. The dinosaur reference was about their attitude to the game. Anyone who gives up their time to coach kids are a saint -in my view. I went along to watch my son. He's not supposed to play football as he's lost the use of his left arm. I allowed him to play with the school B team, as it's not as physical. Mainly made up of P4-P7, but they play 11 a side in the catholic schools league and they still play on blaze pitches quite a lot. We used an astro pitch which was a decent surface. The kids were totally disinterested as the guy just shouted at the kids and offered them no training. They get one hour a week training. This resulted in him shouting at them for about 20 mins before getting them to run for the majority of the time with a game for the last 15 or 20mins. We had a group of around 25 kids - which was far too many to begin with, and they were split into 3 groups and two of the groups made up the team for the Saturday. By the time we got to November some of the better players ended up moving on to club teams and others lost interest. I was asked to help out by other coaches and parents as I was always there supporting. I didn't take anything to do with the organising of games and was just informed if we were playing or not. There were plenty of weeks we ended up not having games and later I realised it's because the guy didn't go out his way to sort basic problems like finding alternative pitches etc. He told me that he knocked back an invitation to a tournament for the kids as he was worried they would get hammered - nonsense, he just couldn't be arsed. By the time we moved to after xmas he was taking a back seat and I was taking everything on board - even the organising. Those kids missed out on a helluva lot. I spent a lot of my time at work organising games right up until the end of the summer and even organised a team day out for the kids - that they never would have got if I hadn't taken it on board. In terms of the training, I don't have coaching experience, I played football from Primary school right through until my first child was born when I was about 28. I changed the training, got down to their level and encouraged them individually and got them all on board. Made the training more fun. There were kids who were previously totally disinterested, were nearly in tears as the games had ended. I was gutted to leave as I was starting to turn them into a team and we had a good group who were all committed and wanting to do well. They went from getting hammered most weeks, to winning games and going 4 or 5 games undefeated and competing in every game we played.. They're not at an age where you can put in complicated drills but you can adapt and make them do things like their warm up with the ball instead of running and running and ultimately learning nothing or by playing games like "piggy in the middle" which is fun and good for passing under pressure. Passing on simple rules that you get taught from a young age, helping them organise their defence. Basic stuff like that goes a long way at this level. Mainly it's about the kids enjoying themselves, but it's totally detrimental when you have people who don't want kids to express themselves. Then we had an end of season dance, he didn't want the kids getting POTY trophies or any other trophies, meanwhile the A team are dishing out trophies for allsorts. He hadn't been there for weeks and then stood up on the awards night and basically took the credit for what I'd been doing. I wasn't looking for any praise but he totally let them kids down and had the brass neck to stand there. he even admitted this was the first time they had finished the season with a full team - which tells it's own story. So, whilst I commend anyone who gives up their time, when it's to the detriment of the children, then it's hardly worthwhile is it? I had no intention of getting involved. I was there to support my son but if I hadn't we wouldn't have had a team. He's going to secondary after summer. I'm gutted as I thoroughly enjoyed it and we were really going places. The kids all had the bug by the time the season ended - I felt heart sorry having to tell them I was leaving. I applaud anyone who gets involved to help their local kids, but if you're going to do it make sure you're committed.
I also coach in the Catholic Schools League and there are more and more coaches getting their teams to pass and move and less punt it up the pitch. At our team all training sessions are done with the ball, drills that can be progressed as time goes on and basically looking to improve their skills and game awareness. The biggest problem I find is more the parents trying to coach from the sideline, shouting at them and confusing the kids, as well as putting pressure on their kids to be the next Messi or Ronaldo. As a coach it's about keeping the instruction simple, not shouting at them, there are plenty of opportunities to bring the kids to the sideline to talk to them rather than scream at them, not asking them to do things that they can't and most importantly, creating an atmosphere where they enjoy themselves I know you don't mean anything by it and it is not the point of your post but with all thats worng with Scottish football the very expression "the Catholic Schools League" sends a chill up my spine.
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everybody at that level are giving up their time. The dinosaur reference was about their attitude to the game. Anyone who gives up their time to coach kids are a saint -in my view. I went along to watch my son. He's not supposed to play football as he's lost the use of his left arm. I allowed him to play with the school B team, as it's not as physical. Mainly made up of P4-P7, but they play 11 a side in the catholic schools league and they still play on blaze pitches quite a lot. We used an astro pitch which was a decent surface. The kids were totally disinterested as the guy just shouted at the kids and offered them no training. They get one hour a week training. This resulted in him shouting at them for about 20 mins before getting them to run for the majority of the time with a game for the last 15 or 20mins. We had a group of around 25 kids - which was far too many to begin with, and they were split into 3 groups and two of the groups made up the team for the Saturday. By the time we got to November some of the better players ended up moving on to club teams and others lost interest. I was asked to help out by other coaches and parents as I was always there supporting. I didn't take anything to do with the organising of games and was just informed if we were playing or not. There were plenty of weeks we ended up not having games and later I realised it's because the guy didn't go out his way to sort basic problems like finding alternative pitches etc. He told me that he knocked back an invitation to a tournament for the kids as he was worried they would get hammered - nonsense, he just couldn't be arsed. By the time we moved to after xmas he was taking a back seat and I was taking everything on board - even the organising. Those kids missed out on a helluva lot. I spent a lot of my time at work organising games right up until the end of the summer and even organised a team day out for the kids - that they never would have got if I hadn't taken it on board. In terms of the training, I don't have coaching experience, I played football from Primary school right through until my first child was born when I was about 28. I changed the training, got down to their level and encouraged them individually and got them all on board. Made the training more fun. There were kids who were previously totally disinterested, were nearly in tears as the games had ended. I was gutted to leave as I was starting to turn them into a team and we had a good group who were all committed and wanting to do well. They went from getting hammered most weeks, to winning games and going 4 or 5 games undefeated and competing in every game we played.. They're not at an age where you can put in complicated drills but you can adapt and make them do things like their warm up with the ball instead of running and running and ultimately learning nothing or by playing games like "piggy in the middle" which is fun and good for passing under pressure. Passing on simple rules that you get taught from a young age, helping them organise their defence. Basic stuff like that goes a long way at this level. Mainly it's about the kids enjoying themselves, but it's totally detrimental when you have people who don't want kids to express themselves. Then we had an end of season dance, he didn't want the kids getting POTY trophies or any other trophies, meanwhile the A team are dishing out trophies for allsorts. He hadn't been there for weeks and then stood up on the awards night and basically took the credit for what I'd been doing. I wasn't looking for any praise but he totally let them kids down and had the brass neck to stand there. he even admitted this was the first time they had finished the season with a full team - which tells it's own story. So, whilst I commend anyone who gives up their time, when it's to the detriment of the children, then it's hardly worthwhile is it? I had no intention of getting involved. I was there to support my son but if I hadn't we wouldn't have had a team. He's going to secondary after summer. I'm gutted as I thoroughly enjoyed it and we were really going places. The kids all had the bug by the time the season ended - I felt heart sorry having to tell them I was leaving. I applaud anyone who gets involved to help their local kids, but if you're going to do it make sure you're committed.
I also coach in the Catholic Schools League and there are more and more coaches getting their teams to pass and move and less punt it up the pitch. At our team all training sessions are done with the ball, drills that can be progressed as time goes on and basically looking to improve their skills and game awareness. The biggest problem I find is more the parents trying to coach from the sideline, shouting at them and confusing the kids, as well as putting pressure on their kids to be the next Messi or Ronaldo. As a coach it's about keeping the instruction simple, not shouting at them, there are plenty of opportunities to bring the kids to the sideline to talk to them rather than scream at them, not asking them to do things that they can't and most importantly, creating an atmosphere where they enjoy themselves Our parents are pretty good. They don't watch training sessions and I usually stand on the opposite sideline alone and coach the kids from there.
I hear you though, some parents need to get a grip of themselves and that's always been a problem. it was evident at the recent game at Maryhill Juniors that got abandoned.
Was told the guy that went to the papers was the one that started it all and his wife got involved - him and his boys are huns too apparently
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I also coach in the Catholic Schools League and there are more and more coaches getting their teams to pass and move and less punt it up the pitch. At our team all training sessions are done with the ball, drills that can be progressed as time goes on and basically looking to improve their skills and game awareness. The biggest problem I find is more the parents trying to coach from the sideline, shouting at them and confusing the kids, as well as putting pressure on their kids to be the next Messi or Ronaldo. As a coach it's about keeping the instruction simple, not shouting at them, there are plenty of opportunities to bring the kids to the sideline to talk to them rather than scream at them, not asking them to do things that they can't and most importantly, creating an atmosphere where they enjoy themselves
I know you don't mean anything by it and it is not the point of your post but with all thats worng with Scottish football the very expression "the Catholic Schools League" sends a chill up my spine. It's not about exclusivity, it's just the league has been running for decades.
I played in it when I was in Primary school thirty odd years ago.
grass roots football has been restructured. Kids don't get to play 11 a side until they're 11 or 12 now. In the schools league they're still playing 11's from P4 onwards.
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I know you don't mean anything by it and it is not the point of your post but with all thats worng with Scottish football the very expression "the Catholic Schools League" sends a chill up my spine.
It's not about exclusivity, it's just the league has been running for decades. I played in it when I was in Primary school thirty odd years ago. grass roots football has been restructured. Kids don't get to play 11 a side until they're 11 or 12 now. In the schools league they're still playing 11's from P4 onwards. They used to start 11 a side (moving from 7's) at the age of 12 here but have now started 9 a side for 2 years which is a bit weird. The pitch is shorter but just as wide as an 11 a side pitch. It's supposed to promote width in the game.
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It's not about exclusivity, it's just the league has been running for decades. I played in it when I was in Primary school thirty odd years ago. grass roots football has been restructured. Kids don't get to play 11 a side until they're 11 or 12 now. In the schools league they're still playing 11's from P4 onwards.
They used to start 11 a side (moving from 7's) at the age of 12 here but have now started 9 a side for 2 years which is a bit weird. The pitch is shorter but just as wide as an 11 a side pitch. It's supposed to promote width in the game. I think now they start off young and it's called fun 4's, then 7's and so on.
Not sure if it benefits or not to be honest.
I enjoy 11's and gets more kids involved
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They used to start 11 a side (moving from 7's) at the age of 12 here but have now started 9 a side for 2 years which is a bit weird. The pitch is shorter but just as wide as an 11 a side pitch. It's supposed to promote width in the game.
I think now they start off young and it's called fun 4's, then 7's and so on. Not sure if it benefits or not to be honest. I enjoy 11's and gets more kids involved I always enjoyed 7's better - they all get more time with the ball
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I know you don't mean anything by it and it is not the point of your post but with all thats worng with Scottish football the very expression "the Catholic Schools League" sends a chill up my spine.
It's not about exclusivity, it's just the league has been running for decades. I played in it when I was in Primary school thirty odd years ago. grass roots football has been restructured. Kids don't get to play 11 a side until they're 11 or 12 now. In the schools league they're still playing 11's from P4 onwards. I find the kids really enjoy the 11 a side football, a lot of them play 7's with their other teams so the 11 a side is a good part of their learning curve.
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It's not about exclusivity, it's just the league has been running for decades. I played in it when I was in Primary school thirty odd years ago. grass roots football has been restructured. Kids don't get to play 11 a side until they're 11 or 12 now. In the schools league they're still playing 11's from P4 onwards.
I find the kids really enjoy the 11 a side football, a lot of them play 7's with their other teams so the 11 a side is a good part of their learning curve. I'd rather that and have more of them feeling involved, than having about 7 of them at the side, and they're only getting a half each.
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I think now they start off young and it's called fun 4's, then 7's and so on. Not sure if it benefits or not to be honest. I enjoy 11's and gets more kids involved
I always enjoyed 7's better - they all get more time with the ball Agreed. A kid being on the park doesn't mean they're involved. More touches on the ball is what's gonna make you a better player, not running around on a park you can't even kick the ball half the length of.
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I always enjoyed 7's better - they all get more time with the ball
Agreed. A kid being on the park doesn't mean they're involved. More touches on the ball is what's gonna make you a better player, not running around on a park you can't even kick the ball half the length of. A lot of the primary pitches are pretty small.
There's clearly pros and cons to both.
You also need to consider the weather we have here. Nothing worse than weans standing around watching in the pissing rain or snow.
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