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| The state of Scottish football | |
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| Topic Started: 26 Jun 2018, 10:28 AM (9,107 Views) | |
| puroresu_boy | 26 Jun 2018, 12:31 PM Post #21 |
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Yep and there it is. What Scotland have is a game run by dinosaurs who are waiting for the world cup to be expanded to 48 teams or Scotland get lucky during a qualifying campaign. Forget about an actual plan to ensure long term success |
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| Tiny Tim | 26 Jun 2018, 12:37 PM Post #22 |
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"a Premier League player in all but status"
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I think this is where the problem is. Scotland needs to get its youngsters back playing football for fun, like they did up to 30 odd years ago. |
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| Hairytoes | 26 Jun 2018, 12:47 PM Post #23 |
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Pointless talking about infrastructure like Iceland's. I live in Largs, where we have the SportScotland facility with all it's lovely pitches & indoor half sized pitch (paid for by the Weirs, lottery win). It sits empty most of the time, if not all of the time. A pristine folly of manicured grass, behind 6 metre fences & not a kid in sight. I used to take my girl there & one coach from 5 is good, 2 utterly dung & 2 hit/miss, all proudly wearing their SFA trackies & already being indoctrinated into the way of the dinosaur "listen to me laddie" pish. Scotland is a mess run by & for gammon faced arseholes, wait till we see the pish today at Hampden & their kangaroo court rule ignoring shenanigans. |
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| Jamor67 | 26 Jun 2018, 12:48 PM Post #24 |
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In spite of dungeon fire and sword
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Too many old pals at Largs, people promoted beyond their capabilities. Too much " coaching" of youngsters. Scotland are not good enough to beat any the teams at World Cup, exception of Saudis maybe. Iran/ Tunisia/ Morocco for example would all beat Scotland comfortably. |
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| Fly Pelican | 26 Jun 2018, 12:55 PM Post #25 |
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The nascent 45
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It all comes back to the huns. They effed it and they aren't able/willing to contribute to anything positive aimed at restoring it. As long as the authorities are obsessed in resurrecting whatever reincarnation of the shampooe abides at Ibrox we'll struggle. Apart from that, fine there's no problems. |
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| brianlara67 | 26 Jun 2018, 12:55 PM Post #26 |
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Getting on a bit
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Uruguay did not qualify for 5 World Cups in the period since 1978 so like most small nations good teams come and go based on cycles. Being in South America there are only 10 teams in the South America qualifying campaign and half of them qualify. So it is a lot easier to qualify compared to to Europe. I just checked their record in their last qualifying campaign. They finished second. P18 W9 D4 L5. That is a very ordinary record. Those kind of stats would see them struggle from a European group. But you cannot deny over the years they do a lot better than us. They have won the World Cup twice but it was a long time ago (British teams did not even bother to compete when they won their two cups) The world has moved on and it will be very difficult for them to win another World Cup as demographics (i.e. population size) dictates who the big boys are now. Iceland - there qualification for this World Cup (and last Euros) is a blip. They have never qualified before or got close and after the current batch of players go I would imagine they will back in the wilderness due to that pesky demographics. Croatia - they do consistently punch above they weight I grant you that. Another thing that has struck me is the amount of players these days with 100 plus caps playing in this World Cup. Some teams have several. The most capped Scottish player is Dalglish and he got the last of his caps over 30 years ago. No one else has even hit 90 caps. You would think as a small nation with a small player pool it would mean if you were any good you would get a long run in the Scotland team from an early age over many years. Doesn't happen though. Same with record goal scorers. There are a lot of record goal scorers at this tournament but the Scottish record (30) is held by Dalglish and Law - again many years ago. No one will get close currently. Make you think Scottish football's good days are all in the past. |
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| DKB | 26 Jun 2018, 12:58 PM Post #27 |
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Getting on a bit
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Croatia was a part of a fairly succesfull Yugoslavia side, with the clubs and their setup in place when the country broke up, "all" that needed to be done was to set up a Croatian FA (if it wasn't inplace already as a part of the Yugolaslavian FA, don't know that) Hajduk and Dinamo were two of the 4 biggest clubs in Yugoslavia, so that Croatia wasn't a nation by their own 30 years ago can't be used Iceland's succes in sports are pretty amazing compared to the size of the country, alot has to be down to desire of winning and pole of genes. If you look at Team Handball they are also one of the biggest nations despite of their population. If you look at their national side they stick together around it, instead of Scotland's Rangers/Celtic split + half of the team or so hasn't been born in Scotland so no national feeling there for many |
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| Forza | 26 Jun 2018, 12:59 PM Post #28 |
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Considering retirement
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There are many things that could be touched upon in this thread. Resources, facilities, funding, culture, organisational structure at all levels of our game. And the relationship between pro clubs/boys clubs/football authorities/schools. However on the narrow point about national teams, it just doesn't mean enough in Scotland anymore. Hasn't done for a while. Just turned 33 year old Scott Brown has recently retired from international duty with 55 caps. Soon to be 33 year old Luka Modric currently sits on 108 caps, and will have at least 110 before the end of the tournament. The difference is not made up solely by all the tournaments Croatia qualify for compared to Scotland. Scott Brown is still the most important player Scotland can call upon. Yet he is not available for selection. The intention is not to single him out, more point to the culture that exists of "retiring" from international football in the UK. Look through the successful squads the World Cup. You'll marvel at the cap hauls of many of the senior players. |
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| ChiliPepper | 26 Jun 2018, 01:02 PM Post #29 |
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Getting on a bit
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Tbf if Scotland had qualified for this World Cup Brown would almost definitely be playing at it. |
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| Forza | 26 Jun 2018, 01:03 PM Post #30 |
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Considering retirement
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Given that we didn't, all the more reason to want him around for what comes next surely given he is still one of the best players we have? The logic always seems back to front in Scotland. Edited by Forza, 26 Jun 2018, 01:04 PM.
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| Hairytoes | 26 Jun 2018, 01:17 PM Post #31 |
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Griffiths wasn't played earlier in the qualifying campaign, he still feels a bit bitter about this - looking at his recent interview. The manager didn't see fit to play our best players, who were all from Celtic - maybe because of culture, stubbornness or whatever. We did well when he played his best players, but it was too late. We've replaced Strachan eventually, with no idea & a total shambles all of their own making. McLeish won't even do as well as Strachan did. We're a mess & Celtic is the best things we've got. It'll never improve until the blazers realise that that fact isn't a bad thing - the reason it's a fact is because Celtic plan ahead & have no agenda other than producing as good as we can get footballers within our means. eff the SFA. |
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| LeedsTim | 26 Jun 2018, 01:21 PM Post #32 |
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Italy, Spain, Argentina, basically anyone but England.
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This sort of stuff has been coming up every 2 - 4 years after Scotland has failed to qualify for a tournament. I don't think anything will change because the money isn't there and I don't think the will really exists. Also, with Breaded Ham Heid as manager for the next while that isn't going to help. One thing that does strike me is that we have no BAME players playing for Scotland. You look at all the other European teams and they have black or other ethnic players in the squads. I feel that this helps to create a better type of play as many such players are more naturally gifted than the homegrown ones. I don't really see what we could do to promote this however. |
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| VBI | 26 Jun 2018, 01:25 PM Post #33 |
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The very first step before infrastructure and new coaching ideas, is to end the "creepy old man at the side of the pitch bawling at 10 year old players" vibe in the country. Football here is about getting stuck in, putting wingers up in the air, "get that carrot/poof/dick sorted out" etc. As mentioned, even at the pro level, teams try to drag better teams down, slow the football, lengthen the grass, whatever, it's all about sweat and effort and practically zero about flair and ability. The people that do this somehow always manage to pine for the olden days, but even the more physical stars of yesteryear like Souness, Dalglish, McNeill etc could actually play proper football and had style, technique, vision, etc. You see this at kids games, 5 a side leagues, etc.
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| davesterjc | 26 Jun 2018, 01:28 PM Post #34 |
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Got the vision.......
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Why are we so bad at football? It's a great question for discussion. I could stay on here all day going over it. As Iain points out the reasons are multiple and not easily resolved. We are miles behind countries of a similar size and smaller. On the european and world stage we are an embarrassment now. |
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| Mickeybhoy84 | 26 Jun 2018, 01:30 PM Post #35 |
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Living the dream
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The lack of decent facilities is a major issue. My 7 year olds team had something like 2 training sessions between January and March due to the weather. It didn’t help that the council would wait until 4pm to make a decision on whether the pitches were playable, which left about 2 hours to try and find an alternative, indoor facility. |
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| bigdavie | 26 Jun 2018, 01:30 PM Post #36 |
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Why not? For the fans I believe it would be more attractive, maybe the players as well. Why should we sit through generally the colds and crap weather of December, January and February when we could use all of May, June and July. Side issue but once again we will start our CL qualifying in an Asian feckin desert hopefully followed by a team who I guess will be well into their season. |
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| Tothecore | 26 Jun 2018, 01:37 PM Post #37 |
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For me it's nothing to do with facilities etc, there are plenty of better footballing nations than us that have nothing, they are dirt poor but produce players that play all over Europe in the top leagues. It's coaching and structure, pure and simple, everything should be based around technique and intelligence , there should be no big pitches no eleven a side under fourteen, and no playing the ball over head height even on an outside grass pitch, we have to teach kids to be comfortable with a ball at their feet, be able to and more importantly want to receive it when in a tight spot and have the confidence to do the right thing. Football is pretty simple at its root , you have to know where you should be when you have the ball and more importantly know where you should be when you haven't. Running around and knocking your pan in should be a given, it's the very minimum of what's expected from a player as unlike pace 😀 Fitness can be improved. Apart from all that it's obviously down to genetics |
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| Forza | 26 Jun 2018, 01:38 PM Post #38 |
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Considering retirement
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Here's the reality of adopting a "summer" season: We have a 38 game league season played over 43 weeks. Two domestic cup competitions, a lower league competition, and up to four teams in European competitions. Plus up to six international breaks per season. In short, club league and cup football played in 10 months of the year. Before anyone suggests cutting any of that down to size to suit their "summer" model, most clubs in the current set up depend on it financially. A World Cup or European Championship played every two years in the months of June and July. Ask yourself, who the eff is watching the Swedish top flight right now? Answer: not many. Taking the nine or ten weekends in December and January as the weekends where you don't play any football, you would be beginning your season in early to mid February and ending it late November. Summer football? You also render it irrelevant every two years due to the World Cup or Euros. Presumably you'd also be opting to play at least five fixture rounds in the June and July weekend when the rest of the football watching world have their eyes on the World Cup or Euros. Naw. Just naw. |
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| Paul Allen | 26 Jun 2018, 01:40 PM Post #39 |
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Looking at the World Cup, practically all the other teams look more athletic than Scotland and that's before we get onto the topic of technique. There is the occasional player with a bit more skill, but they are usually even more unfit than the others. You can see the impact it has made to Celtic's own Scottish contingent by having a modern emphasis on nutrition and fitness. When standing alongside typical SPFL opposition, the difference in athleticism is quite noticeable. It says a lot that Kris Boyd was the top scorer last season. |
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| Haitch | 26 Jun 2018, 01:41 PM Post #40 |
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Considering retirement
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Still picking ourselves up from Rangers (IL) best efforts to completey destroy our game. The lack of bringing through good youngsters and the national team remain a concern. The league itself standards are improving and the crowds are slowly coming back. If our next tv deal is a good one hopefully we can continue to grow as a nation. It would help if Hibs or Aberdeen could try and do something of note in Europe Edited by Haitch, 26 Jun 2018, 01:41 PM.
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